Overpackaging an applicant

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The students I know who did well in admissions were packaged. More importantly they had A’s even if it meant less rigor. They were ruthless in their essays. Subtly does not come through. They repeated words, themes, ideas. They made sure admissions saw what they wanted them to see.
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Anonymous wrote:The students I know who did well in admissions were packaged. More importantly they had A’s even if it meant less rigor. They were ruthless in their essays. Subtly does not come through. They repeated words, themes, ideas. They made sure admissions saw what they wanted them to see.


I agree with this. Maybe packaged just means strategic?
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Anonymous wrote:People, so many of you are getting this wrong.

Here’s an example:

Candidate A: 4.0 UW, 1520 SAT. High rigor in all subjects. Applying for economics. ECs are president of school finance club, VP Deca club, interned in something business related, one varsity sport, started a business, writes essay about things they learned from their business, published a random research thing on an economic issue, statements from school counselor and teachers are in line with this narrative. This is a well-packaged candidate. ECs support the major and there is a clear path for this candidate in their major. But this is arguably very boring profile

Candidate B. 4.0 uw. 1520 SAT. High rigor in all subjects. Applying for economics. President of school finance club, appeared in several productions in the school play, wrote for the literary journal, worked as a welder in summer, had random hobby x that has nothing to do with economics, writes something meaningful about random hobby. ECs vaguely support the major, not as packaged as Candidate A. Feels more like a real person with interests rather than a package to maximize admission to a specific major.

Question is whether candidate B does better than Candidate A.

There are a lot of variations of this


Welding adds blue collar street cred. Lol. Gets picked because AO's dad is a welder.


Absolutely doesn’t get picked because if AO’s dad is a welder, they would realize you have to be at least 18 to to be a welder because it is classified as a dangerous job. If you are under 18, you are never getting a work permit to be one, no company would hire you because of the liability.

So many of these scenarios are so unrealistic. Not buying some was in several productions of the school play, writes literary journal and is a welder. No one is in band and choir and glee club AND has time for cross country and basketball.

Unless you are at a small school basketball is a hard sport to play all 4 years to not only make the team as s freshman but then never get cut since the roster is so small. Unless a student is winning national martial arts events, no AO is going to be impressed if a student says they are a black belt since so many places hand out black belts. Many kids doing martial arts that many years are quirky and a AO would much rather pick the 4 year basketball player because it is a team sport.

I look at over packaged when students are doing a common instrument like violin /piano, play tennis /golf, have high level of math/math competitions, science competitions, volunteer at hospital or lab, summer STEM internships, President of some school clubs, student government.


There are welding clubs/ classes. You don’t need to be doing this for a profession.

And yes, it still counts as a quirky, hobby or interest.
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Anonymous wrote:But what if a kid has more rare interests .. classics/acheology/history/russian literature. They way its all pulled together is less likely to look packaged just bc its more rarely seen (then lets say econ/business kids)


Hard to pull off without seeming like a fake out who is going to change his major to Business or CS a month into the school year.


At least they’re keeping the anthropology double major /minor.

Keeping those Anthro professors employed. That’s all an admissions officer could hope for truthfully, and it implies that the interest was real all along.

I think that’s a win for the college.

They did pick the right kid after all.
Students do it every year.

A lot of the Ivy+ admits are in things like anthropology that quickly pivot to a more pre-professional major with an anthropology minor or double major.
The flavor of the month depends on the school. An experienced IEC can really help you identify the soft spots.
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Anonymous wrote:The key to it all is conveying sincerity. That a kid is doing what they do out of true interest and not because some overpriced consultant is telling them to do it. This is hard to tease out. It is why more schools should do interviews as a decent interviewer can figure it out (though a bad interviewer will gush over phony kids). With the huge influx of applications, I wonder whether AO's have time to sort through this.

I do alumni interviewing. And I despise packaged kids. I am generally very easy going but this is what I push on. If a kid does some summer service trip, I try to figure out whether it was meaningful or just drinking beers and hooking up (I generally hate these). If a kid did an internship, I ask how they got it. I had one kid go on and on about a huge project they did for their school junior year that was being implemented senior year. I asked how it was going (halfway through senior year) and they had no idea. Clearly it wasn't important to them.

I long for the days of the well-rounded kid. Not the serial joiner who has no depth. But not to be shamed to be doing a lot of things at the "very good" level but none at the "world class" level. Nice normal kids who will try a lot of things out in college and be a good part of the community. Unfortunately, schools seem to feel otherwise.


Authenticity and sincerity is so subjective and subject to cultural differences.
I have seen a borderline racist inclination to view activities engaged in by kids with some skin colors as authentic and passionate while the same activities done by other kids who are identical in every way other than skin color is viewed as contrived and manufactured.
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Anonymous wrote:But what if a kid has more rare interests .. classics/acheology/history/russian literature. They way its all pulled together is less likely to look packaged just bc its more rarely seen (then lets say econ/business kids)


Hard to pull off without seeming like a fake out who is going to change his major to Business or CS a month into the school year.


Students do it every year.

A lot of the Ivy+ admits are in things like anthropology that quickly pivot to a more pre-professional major with an anthropology minor or double major.
The flavor of the month depends on the school. An experienced IEC can really help you identify the soft spots.


At least they’re keeping the anthropology double major /minor.
Keeping those Anthro professors employed. That’s all an admissions officer could hope for truthfully, and it implies that the interest was real all along.
I think that’s a win for the college. They did pick the right kid after all.
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Anonymous wrote:The key to it all is conveying sincerity. That a kid is doing what they do out of true interest and not because some overpriced consultant is telling them to do it. This is hard to tease out. It is why more schools should do interviews as a decent interviewer can figure it out (though a bad interviewer will gush over phony kids). With the huge influx of applications, I wonder whether AO's have time to sort through this.

I do alumni interviewing. And I despise packaged kids. I am generally very easy going but this is what I push on. If a kid does some summer service trip, I try to figure out whether it was meaningful or just drinking beers and hooking up (I generally hate these). If a kid did an internship, I ask how they got it. I had one kid go on and on about a huge project they did for their school junior year that was being implemented senior year. I asked how it was going (halfway through senior year) and they had no idea. Clearly it wasn't important to them.

I long for the days of the well-rounded kid. Not the serial joiner who has no depth. But not to be shamed to be doing a lot of things at the "very good" level but none at the "world class" level. Nice normal kids who will try a lot of things out in college and be a good part of the community. Unfortunately, schools seem to feel otherwise.


Authenticity and sincerity is so subjective and subject to cultural differences.
I have seen a borderline racist inclination to view activities engaged in by kids with some skin colors as authentic and passionate while the same activities done by other kids who are identical in every way other than skin color is viewed as contrived and manufactured.


It's just if you see so much of one thing, it's not novel.
Another white kid working as a caddy at a golf club. Not so special. A stereotype, even.
A Hispanic or black kid, interesting, maybe?
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:But what if a kid has more rare interests .. classics/acheology/history/russian literature. They way its all pulled together is less likely to look packaged just bc its more rarely seen (then lets say econ/business kids)


Hard to pull off without seeming like a fake out who is going to change his major to Business or CS a month into the school year.

Students do it every year.

A lot of the Ivy+ admits are in things like anthropology that quickly pivot to a more pre-professional major with an anthropology minor or double major.
The flavor of the month depends on the school. An experienced IEC can really help you identify the soft spots.

At least they’re keeping the anthropology double major /minor.

Keeping those Anthro professors employed. That’s all an admissions officer could hope for truthfully, and it implies that the interest was real all along.

I think that’s a win for the college.

They did pick the right kid after all.


Kinda sorta
They have become pot committed to the anthropology thing and some of them see it as a way to boost their GPA relative to their pre-med classes that are more grade deflated
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The key to it all is conveying sincerity. That a kid is doing what they do out of true interest and not because some overpriced consultant is telling them to do it. This is hard to tease out. It is why more schools should do interviews as a decent interviewer can figure it out (though a bad interviewer will gush over phony kids). With the huge influx of applications, I wonder whether AO's have time to sort through this.

I do alumni interviewing. And I despise packaged kids. I am generally very easy going but this is what I push on. If a kid does some summer service trip, I try to figure out whether it was meaningful or just drinking beers and hooking up (I generally hate these). If a kid did an internship, I ask how they got it. I had one kid go on and on about a huge project they did for their school junior year that was being implemented senior year. I asked how it was going (halfway through senior year) and they had no idea. Clearly it wasn't important to them.

I long for the days of the well-rounded kid. Not the serial joiner who has no depth. But not to be shamed to be doing a lot of things at the "very good" level but none at the "world class" level. Nice normal kids who will try a lot of things out in college and be a good part of the community. Unfortunately, schools seem to feel otherwise.


Authenticity and sincerity is so subjective and subject to cultural differences.
I have seen a borderline racist inclination to view activities engaged in by kids with some skin colors as authentic and passionate while the same activities done by other kids who are identical in every way other than skin color is viewed as contrived and manufactured.


It's just if you see so much of one thing, it's not novel.
Another white kid working as a caddy at a golf club. Not so special. A stereotype, even.
A Hispanic or black kid, interesting, maybe?


The authenticity bias used to harm east asians but now the admissions officers don't seem to find more east asians to be authentic and passionate but south asians less so.
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Anonymous wrote:The key to it all is conveying sincerity. That a kid is doing what they do out of true interest and not because some overpriced consultant is telling them to do it. This is hard to tease out. It is why more schools should do interviews as a decent interviewer can figure it out (though a bad interviewer will gush over phony kids). With the huge influx of applications, I wonder whether AO's have time to sort through this.

I do alumni interviewing. And I despise packaged kids. I am generally very easy going but this is what I push on. If a kid does some summer service trip, I try to figure out whether it was meaningful or just drinking beers and hooking up (I generally hate these). If a kid did an internship, I ask how they got it. I had one kid go on and on about a huge project they did for their school junior year that was being implemented senior year. I asked how it was going (halfway through senior year) and they had no idea. Clearly it wasn't important to them.

I long for the days of the well-rounded kid. Not the serial joiner who has no depth. But not to be shamed to be doing a lot of things at the "very good" level but none at the "world class" level. Nice normal kids who will try a lot of things out in college and be a good part of the community. Unfortunately, schools seem to feel otherwise.


Authenticity and sincerity is so subjective and subject to cultural differences.
I have seen a borderline racist inclination to view activities engaged in by kids with some skin colors as authentic and passionate while the same activities done by other kids who are identical in every way other than skin color is viewed as contrived and manufactured.


Perhaps, but I think it works both ways. An activity that might seem ho hum to a white kid might seem more exciting to a minority kid and if the minority kid expresses that well, it can be more of an asset.

And I think it comes down to personality and passion.

And I also think that kids should be aware of negative stereotypes and work to dispell them, again in a sincere way.

Everyone on DCUM is obsessed with merit. Well, I think that charisma, passion and energy are a big part of merit (and will often take someone very far in life) and the ability to demonstrate these characteristics is key, and will come across when describing activities.
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Anonymous wrote:The key to it all is conveying sincerity. That a kid is doing what they do out of true interest and not because some overpriced consultant is telling them to do it. This is hard to tease out. It is why more schools should do interviews as a decent interviewer can figure it out (though a bad interviewer will gush over phony kids). With the huge influx of applications, I wonder whether AO's have time to sort through this.

I do alumni interviewing. And I despise packaged kids. I am generally very easy going but this is what I push on. If a kid does some summer service trip, I try to figure out whether it was meaningful or just drinking beers and hooking up (I generally hate these). If a kid did an internship, I ask how they got it. I had one kid go on and on about a huge project they did for their school junior year that was being implemented senior year. I asked how it was going (halfway through senior year) and they had no idea. Clearly it wasn't important to them.

I long for the days of the well-rounded kid. Not the serial joiner who has no depth. But not to be shamed to be doing a lot of things at the "very good" level but none at the "world class" level. Nice normal kids who will try a lot of things out in college and be a good part of the community. Unfortunately, schools seem to feel otherwise.


Authenticity and sincerity is so subjective and subject to cultural differences.
I have seen a borderline racist inclination to view activities engaged in by kids with some skin colors as authentic and passionate while the same activities done by other kids who are identical in every way other than skin color is viewed as contrived and manufactured.


As soon as someone uses the term "robotic" to describe an applicant, you know they've got it in for Asians.

And for the poster who didn't want "weird" kids to get into college, and the one who said to beware of those who change their majors immediately... my kids are autistic. They are weird. They are also never going to pretend to be what they're not, since their autism makes that impossible. They cannot lie. Their interests are genuine, and they won't change majors, because that would not be possible for them. In all my years of observing college admissions, I think higher education tends to encourage esoteric interests and therefore, the autistic high functioning people among us. Which is a GOOD thing, otherwise there wouldn't be anyone to study snail mucin for their wound-healing properties... (one of my kids' interests).


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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The key to it all is conveying sincerity. That a kid is doing what they do out of true interest and not because some overpriced consultant is telling them to do it. This is hard to tease out. It is why more schools should do interviews as a decent interviewer can figure it out (though a bad interviewer will gush over phony kids). With the huge influx of applications, I wonder whether AO's have time to sort through this.

I do alumni interviewing. And I despise packaged kids. I am generally very easy going but this is what I push on. If a kid does some summer service trip, I try to figure out whether it was meaningful or just drinking beers and hooking up (I generally hate these). If a kid did an internship, I ask how they got it. I had one kid go on and on about a huge project they did for their school junior year that was being implemented senior year. I asked how it was going (halfway through senior year) and they had no idea. Clearly it wasn't important to them.

I long for the days of the well-rounded kid. Not the serial joiner who has no depth. But not to be shamed to be doing a lot of things at the "very good" level but none at the "world class" level. Nice normal kids who will try a lot of things out in college and be a good part of the community. Unfortunately, schools seem to feel otherwise.


Authenticity and sincerity is so subjective and subject to cultural differences.
I have seen a borderline racist inclination to view activities engaged in by kids with some skin colors as authentic and passionate while the same activities done by other kids who are identical in every way other than skin color is viewed as contrived and manufactured.


As soon as someone uses the term "robotic" to describe an applicant, you know they've got it in for Asians.

And for the poster who didn't want "weird" kids to get into college, and the one who said to beware of those who change their majors immediately... my kids are autistic. They are weird. They are also never going to pretend to be what they're not, since their autism makes that impossible. They cannot lie. Their interests are genuine, and they won't change majors, because that would not be possible for them. In all my years of observing college admissions, I think higher education tends to encourage esoteric interests and therefore, the autistic high functioning people among us. Which is a GOOD thing, otherwise there wouldn't be anyone to study snail mucin for their wound-healing properties... (one of my kids' interests).




By saying this is only about Asians, you are stereotyping Asians. Kind of ironic.

I wrote some of the posts above. And I am actually writing from diverse experiences, including with my own child. They are an upper middle class white kid. Fairly social, outgoing, likes sports, plenty of friends, etc. Far from the most popular kid but not a nerd either. Super smart. But in a lot of situations, particularly with adults, they freeze up and become robotic and boring. If asked about something that really, truly excites them, they would not bring this across. So I have been coaching them who to lighten up, express passion, and show who they truly are. This will serve them well in college admissions, but more importantly, it will serve them well in life. Ironically, my other child is not as smart but is much, much better at this.

So please lighten up. College isn't just about academics. It is about fun. It is about conversations about esoteric topics, as well as about who would win a fight between superman and batman. It is about getting slightly drunk. Perhaps this is a very American way to look at the world. But last time I looked, most of you want to send your kids to school in America.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The key to it all is conveying sincerity. That a kid is doing what they do out of true interest and not because some overpriced consultant is telling them to do it. This is hard to tease out. It is why more schools should do interviews as a decent interviewer can figure it out (though a bad interviewer will gush over phony kids). With the huge influx of applications, I wonder whether AO's have time to sort through this.

I do alumni interviewing. And I despise packaged kids. I am generally very easy going but this is what I push on. If a kid does some summer service trip, I try to figure out whether it was meaningful or just drinking beers and hooking up (I generally hate these). If a kid did an internship, I ask how they got it. I had one kid go on and on about a huge project they did for their school junior year that was being implemented senior year. I asked how it was going (halfway through senior year) and they had no idea. Clearly it wasn't important to them.

I long for the days of the well-rounded kid. Not the serial joiner who has no depth. But not to be shamed to be doing a lot of things at the "very good" level but none at the "world class" level. Nice normal kids who will try a lot of things out in college and be a good part of the community. Unfortunately, schools seem to feel otherwise.


Authenticity and sincerity is so subjective and subject to cultural differences.
I have seen a borderline racist inclination to view activities engaged in by kids with some skin colors as authentic and passionate while the same activities done by other kids who are identical in every way other than skin color is viewed as contrived and manufactured.


As soon as someone uses the term "robotic" to describe an applicant, you know they've got it in for Asians.

And for the poster who didn't want "weird" kids to get into college, and the one who said to beware of those who change their majors immediately... my kids are autistic. They are weird. They are also never going to pretend to be what they're not, since their autism makes that impossible. They cannot lie. Their interests are genuine, and they won't change majors, because that would not be possible for them. In all my years of observing college admissions, I think higher education tends to encourage esoteric interests and therefore, the autistic high functioning people among us. Which is a GOOD thing, otherwise there wouldn't be anyone to study snail mucin for their wound-healing properties... (one of my kids' interests).




By saying this is only about Asians, you are stereotyping Asians. Kind of ironic.

I wrote some of the posts above. And I am actually writing from diverse experiences, including with my own child. They are an upper middle class white kid. Fairly social, outgoing, likes sports, plenty of friends, etc. Far from the most popular kid but not a nerd either. Super smart. But in a lot of situations, particularly with adults, they freeze up and become robotic and boring. If asked about something that really, truly excites them, they would not bring this across. So I have been coaching them who to lighten up, express passion, and show who they truly are. This will serve them well in college admissions, but more importantly, it will serve them well in life. Ironically, my other child is not as smart but is much, much better at this.

So please lighten up. College isn't just about academics. It is about fun. It is about conversations about esoteric topics, as well as about who would win a fight between superman and batman. It is about getting slightly drunk. Perhaps this is a very American way to look at the world. But last time I looked, most of you want to send your kids to school in America.


Thank you!! Brava!
I couldn't agree with this any more.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The key to it all is conveying sincerity. That a kid is doing what they do out of true interest and not because some overpriced consultant is telling them to do it. This is hard to tease out. It is why more schools should do interviews as a decent interviewer can figure it out (though a bad interviewer will gush over phony kids). With the huge influx of applications, I wonder whether AO's have time to sort through this.

I do alumni interviewing. And I despise packaged kids. I am generally very easy going but this is what I push on. If a kid does some summer service trip, I try to figure out whether it was meaningful or just drinking beers and hooking up (I generally hate these). If a kid did an internship, I ask how they got it. I had one kid go on and on about a huge project they did for their school junior year that was being implemented senior year. I asked how it was going (halfway through senior year) and they had no idea. Clearly it wasn't important to them.

I long for the days of the well-rounded kid. Not the serial joiner who has no depth. But not to be shamed to be doing a lot of things at the "very good" level but none at the "world class" level. Nice normal kids who will try a lot of things out in college and be a good part of the community. Unfortunately, schools seem to feel otherwise.


Authenticity and sincerity is so subjective and subject to cultural differences.
I have seen a borderline racist inclination to view activities engaged in by kids with some skin colors as authentic and passionate while the same activities done by other kids who are identical in every way other than skin color is viewed as contrived and manufactured.


As soon as someone uses the term "robotic" to describe an applicant, you know they've got it in for Asians.

And for the poster who didn't want "weird" kids to get into college, and the one who said to beware of those who change their majors immediately... my kids are autistic. They are weird. They are also never going to pretend to be what they're not, since their autism makes that impossible. They cannot lie. Their interests are genuine, and they won't change majors, because that would not be possible for them. In all my years of observing college admissions, I think higher education tends to encourage esoteric interests and therefore, the autistic high functioning people among us. Which is a GOOD thing, otherwise there wouldn't be anyone to study snail mucin for their wound-healing properties... (one of my kids' interests).




By saying this is only about Asians, you are stereotyping Asians. Kind of ironic.

I wrote some of the posts above. And I am actually writing from diverse experiences, including with my own child. They are an upper middle class white kid. Fairly social, outgoing, likes sports, plenty of friends, etc. Far from the most popular kid but not a nerd either. Super smart. But in a lot of situations, particularly with adults, they freeze up and become robotic and boring. If asked about something that really, truly excites them, they would not bring this across. So I have been coaching them who to lighten up, express passion, and show who they truly are. This will serve them well in college admissions, but more importantly, it will serve them well in life. Ironically, my other child is not as smart but is much, much better at this.

So please lighten up. College isn't just about academics. It is about fun. It is about conversations about esoteric topics, as well as about who would win a fight between superman and batman. It is about getting slightly drunk. Perhaps this is a very American way to look at the world. But last time I looked, most of you want to send your kids to school in America.


NP. I’m white. Your comments are repellent. You must not know many Asian students. My DC attends a diverse school. Has many Asian friends and classmates. They’re awesome and any school would be lucky to have these kids - they’re smart, FUNNY, well liked, inclusive, with a vast array of interests and hobbies, leaders in the school, well spoken, athletic, and all around great kids.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The key to it all is conveying sincerity. That a kid is doing what they do out of true interest and not because some overpriced consultant is telling them to do it. This is hard to tease out. It is why more schools should do interviews as a decent interviewer can figure it out (though a bad interviewer will gush over phony kids). With the huge influx of applications, I wonder whether AO's have time to sort through this.

I do alumni interviewing. And I despise packaged kids. I am generally very easy going but this is what I push on. If a kid does some summer service trip, I try to figure out whether it was meaningful or just drinking beers and hooking up (I generally hate these). If a kid did an internship, I ask how they got it. I had one kid go on and on about a huge project they did for their school junior year that was being implemented senior year. I asked how it was going (halfway through senior year) and they had no idea. Clearly it wasn't important to them.

I long for the days of the well-rounded kid. Not the serial joiner who has no depth. But not to be shamed to be doing a lot of things at the "very good" level but none at the "world class" level. Nice normal kids who will try a lot of things out in college and be a good part of the community. Unfortunately, schools seem to feel otherwise.


Authenticity and sincerity is so subjective and subject to cultural differences.
I have seen a borderline racist inclination to view activities engaged in by kids with some skin colors as authentic and passionate while the same activities done by other kids who are identical in every way other than skin color is viewed as contrived and manufactured.


As soon as someone uses the term "robotic" to describe an applicant, you know they've got it in for Asians.

And for the poster who didn't want "weird" kids to get into college, and the one who said to beware of those who change their majors immediately... my kids are autistic. They are weird. They are also never going to pretend to be what they're not, since their autism makes that impossible. They cannot lie. Their interests are genuine, and they won't change majors, because that would not be possible for them. In all my years of observing college admissions, I think higher education tends to encourage esoteric interests and therefore, the autistic high functioning people among us. Which is a GOOD thing, otherwise there wouldn't be anyone to study snail mucin for their wound-healing properties... (one of my kids' interests).




By saying this is only about Asians, you are stereotyping Asians. Kind of ironic.

I wrote some of the posts above. And I am actually writing from diverse experiences, including with my own child. They are an upper middle class white kid. Fairly social, outgoing, likes sports, plenty of friends, etc. Far from the most popular kid but not a nerd either. Super smart. But in a lot of situations, particularly with adults, they freeze up and become robotic and boring. If asked about something that really, truly excites them, they would not bring this across. So I have been coaching them who to lighten up, express passion, and show who they truly are. This will serve them well in college admissions, but more importantly, it will serve them well in life. Ironically, my other child is not as smart but is much, much better at this.

So please lighten up. College isn't just about academics. It is about fun. It is about conversations about esoteric topics, as well as about who would win a fight between superman and batman. It is about getting slightly drunk. Perhaps this is a very American way to look at the world. But last time I looked, most of you want to send your kids to school in America.


NP. I’m white. Your comments are repellent. You must not know many Asian students. My DC attends a diverse school. Has many Asian friends and classmates. They’re awesome and any school would be lucky to have these kids - they’re smart, FUNNY, well liked, inclusive, with a vast array of interests and hobbies, leaders in the school, well spoken, athletic, and all around great kids.


Np. Huh? How?
Not everything here has to be a fight, people.
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