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Anonymous
| That’s because it’s not evidence. |
Anonymous
There is lots of evidence for God and Jesus and the resurrection, but PP didn't opine on evidence one way or the other. Also the question was simply whether current circumstances cause you to lose faith. They don't because hope is not in Donald Trump or lack of Donald Trump or wars/horrible things or lack of wars/horrible things. Hope for the world is in Jesus Christ who never changes. |
Anonymous
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There is a story about a drowning man.
A man lived on the coast when he saw a weather report that said a hurricane was coming and the city was ordered to evacuate. But the man trusted in God to protect him, so he stayed. The hurricane came and the waters rose and the man went to his roof for safety. A boat came by and offered him a ride, but he trusted in God to protect him, so he stayed. Later, a helicopter passed overhead and threw him a rope, but he trusted in God to protect him, so he stayed. Then the waters overtook him and he died. In the afterlife, he said, "God, why didn't you save me?" And God replied, "I sent you a weather report, a boat, and a helicopter!" |
Anonymous
No, pp said things he observes - "the actions of people" cannot "shake" his faith. I ask again: is that is a virtue? Shouldn't everyone be open to having their mind changed by things you observe? Shouldn't someone be able to say WHY the evidence is insufficient to change their mind instead of just saying that it "cannot"? /and your claim that "There is lots of evidence for God and Jesus and the resurrection" is irrelevant to my point so I am not addressing that on purpose so as not to derail. |
Anonymous
Ya know what the downing man should have asked? "Hey god, why the fark did you make an effing flood in the first place?" |
Anonymous
I think I misunderstood you as speaking of evidence for or against God/religion, so I'm happy not to discuss that. But I'm still not sure I understand what you're asking the PP about potentially changing their mind. If she believes God allows free will, then what people do or don't do doesn't affect faith because those things aren't about God and we'd expect people with free will to do bad things. Can you explain what potential evidence would have what potential outcome? This is a sincere question and I'm sorry if we were speaking past each other. |
Anonymous
No, you are still misunderstanding. PP said the actions of people “cannot” shake PP’s faith. “Cannot”. That’s the key word. No discussion of the actions, of the value of the evidence therein. Just “cannot”. Why is that a virtue? |
Anonymous
| I’m the PP who said others action cannot shake my faith. It’s very simple. Your bad behavior as a member of a group does not change my view of the intention of the group. You don’t represent what the group represents. Let’s say for example we are not a part of a charity group. You are just a member, not the founder but claim you’re in charge, then commit fraud. I don’t hold the entire charity at fault, that one corrupt member needs to leave, the entire charity doesn’t need to disband. In the same way, someone’s bad actions cannot shake my faith in God because God did not tell that person to commit a bad actions, they did that on their own through free will. And yes I do think it’s a virtue! I don’t assign blame to one person for the actions of someone else, and that’s a good thing! |
Anonymous
You can’t see the enormous issue of the fact that these things are possible makes your god logically impossible. It’s not about whether or not god is to blame. It’s about whether or not he exists. |
Anonymous
If God is all powerful and all knowing, yet he didn't know to prevent the fall of lucifer, the temptation of eve, cain slewing Abel, etc 😶🌫️🤔🫠 |
Anonymous
"lots of evidence for God and Jesus and the resurrection" OK. So present it. Where is the lots of evidence for something that doesn't exist? Not god. And most definitely not Jesus. There is more evidence for Superman than Jesus 
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Anonymous
It didn't take this. Religion is just a tribe wrapped up in a culture. |
Anonymous
Of course God knew about Lucifer, Adam and Eve. It’s a part of His plan. We have only a fraction of Gods knowledge so we cannot understand why He does certain things, but God has given us free will so we can choose to do good or evil on this earth. Lucifer challenged God to see if he could confuse people. Lucifer was a part of Gods plan. |
Anonymous
Fellow Christian here. The "free will" argument is hollow, and as a former atheist I can confirm that it is one of the weakest philosophical arguments for the existence of evil in Christendom. And it fails on scriptural grounds, too. After all, as God says in Romans 9: before they had done anything good or evil, God said "Jacob have I loved and Esau have I hated". The Bible is shot through with the message of God choosing his people and passing over others. Just resort to mystery and acknowledge your own ignorance. |
Anonymous
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^And to follow up: atheists don't have any explanation for the existence of evil, either. Christians are not on the hook to provide one.
What Christianity has that atheism does not is a coherent answer to "How can the world be rescued from all this evil?". |