Garbage Truck that killed cyclist in Petworth still not identified? What's going on?

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Anonymous wrote:I do not understand why he isn't charged for manslaughter. Of course this was not intentional, but it still led to a death. The driver needs legal consequences.

From the description of events, it isn't clear he ever saw them or knew he hit them.

That's my guess. That whole area is extremely congested. And who tries to flee the scene (as the initial reports said) in a truck with your employer's name and number on the side?

Well in Alexandria someone did; a woman driving a dump truck full of gravel ran over a woman and literally cut her IN HALF. She drove off, leaving the 2 halves in the middle of the road at Braddock and Commonwealth. She then drove 4 blocks, dumped her load of gravel, and then kept driving back into PG County where the gravel yard is. No skid marks to show braking. Nothing.

There were actual tire tracks of blood down Commonwealth, up W Masonic View and down Russell that it took no time at all to police to figure out who did it. Like within an hour.

There were NO witnesses (no other cars at the intersection) and no cameras at that light. The scene was so gruesome and bloody the city literally paved over it the very next day. And the woman wasn’t identified for two weeks. The whole thing was awful. I live 1 block away.

Driver claimed she thought she hit a dog (but didn’t stop). A dog. And that all the felt was a bump but didn’t stop. Because the police couldn’t find any witnesses so in the end they couldn’t find any evidence to refute the driver’s claim (even though everyone knows that the driver knew she had hit someone). So she was never charged.

Putting aside the utter classlessness of you describing gruesome details that someone who knew the deceased might now read, this plainly doesn't sound like someone fleeing. It sounds like the driver acted like someone who thought they hit a dog.

This is a pretty famous case in Alexandria and the gruesome details are widely known and reinforce the fact that the driver absolutely knew she had run over someone. What is classless is being an apologist for this abhorrent behavior that needlessly took a life.

The details here matter. That woman mattered. WITW is wrong with you?

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Anonymous wrote:I do not understand why he isn't charged for manslaughter. Of course this was not intentional, but it still led to a death. The driver needs legal consequences.

From the description of events, it isn't clear he ever saw them or knew he hit them.

That's my guess. That whole area is extremely congested. And who tries to flee the scene (as the initial reports said) in a truck with your employer's name and number on the side?

Well in Alexandria someone did; a woman driving a dump truck full of gravel ran over a woman and literally cut her IN HALF. She drove off, leaving the 2 halves in the middle of the road at Braddock and Commonwealth. She then drove 4 blocks, dumped her load of gravel, and then kept driving back into PG County where the gravel yard is. No skid marks to show braking. Nothing.

There were actual tire tracks of blood down Commonwealth, up W Masonic View and down Russell that it took no time at all to police to figure out who did it. Like within an hour.

There were NO witnesses (no other cars at the intersection) and no cameras at that light. The scene was so gruesome and bloody the city literally paved over it the very next day. And the woman wasn’t identified for two weeks. The whole thing was awful. I live 1 block away.

Driver claimed she thought she hit a dog (but didn’t stop). A dog. And that all the felt was a bump but didn’t stop. Because the police couldn’t find any witnesses so in the end they couldn’t find any evidence to refute the driver’s claim (even though everyone knows that the driver knew she had hit someone). So she was never charged.

Putting aside the utter classlessness of you describing gruesome details that someone who knew the deceased might now read, this plainly doesn't sound like someone fleeing. It sounds like the driver acted like someone who thought they hit a dog.

This is a pretty famous case in Alexandria and the gruesome details are widely known and reinforce the fact that the driver absolutely knew she had run over someone. What is classless is being an apologist for this abhorrent behavior that needlessly took a life.

The details here matter. That woman mattered. WITW is wrong with you?

I've never hit a person, let alone doing it while I was driving a dump truck full of gravel. But I suspect it's nothing like hitting a person in a Prius. The account says the driver never braked nor made any attempt to flee and continued to go about their businesses, all of which would indicate they didnt know they hit someone. There were no witnesses or cameras so who are you to say otherwise? You haven't cited any actual evidence. Also, you should try to learn to write in a way that doesn't make you sound like a whiny little b**ch.

You ok? Hope you’re not driving with anger like that. Not sure why you’re defending the dump truck driver but get help.

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Anonymous wrote:I do not understand why he isn't charged for manslaughter. Of course this was not intentional, but it still led to a death. The driver needs legal consequences.

From the description of events, it isn't clear he ever saw them or knew he hit them.

That's my guess. That whole area is extremely congested. And who tries to flee the scene (as the initial reports said) in a truck with your employer's name and number on the side?

Well in Alexandria someone did; a woman driving a dump truck full of gravel ran over a woman and literally cut her IN HALF. She drove off, leaving the 2 halves in the middle of the road at Braddock and Commonwealth. She then drove 4 blocks, dumped her load of gravel, and then kept driving back into PG County where the gravel yard is. No skid marks to show braking. Nothing.

There were actual tire tracks of blood down Commonwealth, up W Masonic View and down Russell that it took no time at all to police to figure out who did it. Like within an hour.

There were NO witnesses (no other cars at the intersection) and no cameras at that light. The scene was so gruesome and bloody the city literally paved over it the very next day. And the woman wasn’t identified for two weeks. The whole thing was awful. I live 1 block away.

Driver claimed she thought she hit a dog (but didn’t stop). A dog. And that all the felt was a bump but didn’t stop. Because the police couldn’t find any witnesses so in the end they couldn’t find any evidence to refute the driver’s claim (even though everyone knows that the driver knew she had hit someone). So she was never charged.

Putting aside the utter classlessness of you describing gruesome details that someone who knew the deceased might now read, this plainly doesn't sound like someone fleeing. It sounds like the driver acted like someone who thought they hit a dog.

This is a pretty famous case in Alexandria and the gruesome details are widely known and reinforce the fact that the driver absolutely knew she had run over someone. What is classless is being an apologist for this abhorrent behavior that needlessly took a life.

The details here matter. That woman mattered. WITW is wrong with you?

I've never hit a person, let alone doing it while I was driving a dump truck full of gravel. But I suspect it's nothing like hitting a person in a Prius. The account says the driver never braked nor made any attempt to flee and continued to go about their businesses, all of which would indicate they didnt know they hit someone. There were no witnesses or cameras so who are you to say otherwise? You haven't cited any actual evidence. Also, you should try to learn to write in a way that doesn't make you sound like a whiny little b**ch.

YIKES with the language. Is your Google broken?

This 2015 case had its own DCUM thread. The driver couldn’t be charged because there just wasn’t enough evidence in the end, however there was evidence that strongly suggested the driver knew she had in fact hit someone and kept going, including eye witness accounts of her trying to clean the undercarriage of the truck and mudflaps where she dumped her gravel just a few blocks from the accident, trying to cover something up on the truck with gravel, and telling co workers she thought she hit a large animal, and acting nervous. Her coworker actually called the police on her.

Also the tire track marks showed huge swerving up to the sidewalk and over correcting.

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/driver-in-fatal-hit-and-run-thought-she-hit-animal-court-documents/2073070/

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/497251.page

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Anonymous wrote:I do not understand why he isn't charged for manslaughter. Of course this was not intentional, but it still led to a death. The driver needs legal consequences.

From the description of events, it isn't clear he ever saw them or knew he hit them.

So he just drove off and ditched his truck for funsies. Sounds very normal and not sociopathic, so par for the course for drivers in this area.

Perhaps the driver was an undocumented american, and feared they would be deported for what was basically an accident that was the fault of the cyclist. And it was. Cyclists shouldn’t go zooming past vehicles about to make a right turn on their right side. That’s like Bike-101. Stupid.


But if the driver feared being taken into ICE custody and separated from his family just because a cyclist did something dumb, I can totally understand and forgive them for leaving the scene. Someone else does something stupid and now YOU get deported? That’s BS.

Why jump to conclusions when you can manifest assumptions out of thin air.

Unless you were an eye witness to the crash (not an accident), you are an irresponsible nincompoop for peddling baseless rumors.

We don't know for certain, but it isn't baseless. That's what the police have described.

Not in any report that I’ve read. If you have other sources, cite them. Or else stop peddling shit you made up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I do not understand why he isn't charged for manslaughter. Of course this was not intentional, but it still led to a death. The driver needs legal consequences.

From the description of events, it isn't clear he ever saw them or knew he hit them.

That's my guess. That whole area is extremely congested. And who tries to flee the scene (as the initial reports said) in a truck with your employer's name and number on the side?

Well in Alexandria someone did; a woman driving a dump truck full of gravel ran over a woman and literally cut her IN HALF. She drove off, leaving the 2 halves in the middle of the road at Braddock and Commonwealth. She then drove 4 blocks, dumped her load of gravel, and then kept driving back into PG County where the gravel yard is. No skid marks to show braking. Nothing.

There were actual tire tracks of blood down Commonwealth, up W Masonic View and down Russell that it took no time at all to police to figure out who did it. Like within an hour.

There were NO witnesses (no other cars at the intersection) and no cameras at that light. The scene was so gruesome and bloody the city literally paved over it the very next day. And the woman wasn’t identified for two weeks. The whole thing was awful. I live 1 block away.

Driver claimed she thought she hit a dog (but didn’t stop). A dog. And that all the felt was a bump but didn’t stop. Because the police couldn’t find any witnesses so in the end they couldn’t find any evidence to refute the driver’s claim (even though everyone knows that the driver knew she had hit someone). So she was never charged.

Putting aside the utter classlessness of you describing gruesome details that someone who knew the deceased might now read, this plainly doesn't sound like someone fleeing. It sounds like the driver acted like someone who thought they hit a dog.

Do you not stop if you hit a dog???

Most people probably would but it doesn't seem that surprising if someone didn't.

What kind of savage shitbag doesn’t stop if they think they might have hit a dog?

This reminds me of living in Wilmington NC on a super rainy evening on our way a class or something. It was my Mom, me, and my siblings. The cars were slowing down and running over something or around it. My mom slammed on her brakes and ran out of the car in the pouring rain because in the middle of the road was an older Golden Retriever/lab dog. He had been hit and people either kept running over him or not stopping and driving around. She pulled him off of the road and held him while he took his last breaths.
Yelled at us to stay in the car and got back in soaking wet. Cursing every person who had come before her and crying.

No worse then in MS where dogs were stolen from yards and then put into dogfighting rings. Our dog was taken and then dumped -or escaped and ran back to us- we never did find out with a cauterized small dinner size plate hole in her flank. She had been gone for two weeks, had other injuries, and we had put up flyers all over. She just stumbled into our driveway while I was playing basketball. My mom raced her to the country vet and his diagnosis was she had been branded and they cauterized the brand out and then likely left her somewhere to die or be hit by a car.

So lots of savage shitbags. Even in "God's Country". This area has nothing on the South.

You don't cradle or handle dying animals you find on the road. That's a good way to get rabies.

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Arlington had a death where a truck hit the open door which then impacted the mom leaning into the car.

https://wjla.com/news/local/truck-driver-charged-in-death-of-arlington-mom-jennifer-lawson-102066

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I don't believe the bus driver who killed Allie Hart was ever charged... DC does not seem aggressive in pursuing manslaughter charges

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Anonymous wrote:I don't believe the bus driver who killed Allie Hart was ever charged... DC does not seem aggressive in pursuing manslaughter charges

In 2024, an elderly pedestrian was killed while crossing Foxhall Rd NW on the crosswalk with the light. The driver who hit the pedestrian (and knocked her something like 100 feet) had thousands (I don’t recall exactly how much but it was around $4k) in unpaid camera tickets.

The USAO declined to bring charges and, in the end, the DC AG allowed the driver to plead to “failure to yield”, which carried a $50 fine, a hundred or so hours of community service, and a year or so of probation. I don’t think the driver was even required to pay their outstanding fines.

I imagine that the USAO / DC AG would defend such a weak outcome on the grounds that a DC jury would never have convicted for manslaughter etc.. If so, this points to a need for the DC Council to rewrite the law so that people who kill or severely injure people on DC streets through negligent driving can be appropriately punished.

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I wasn’t an eyewitness to the hit and run being discussed here, but I have been living, driving, walking, and biking through that intersection for close to 20 years.
It’s extremely dangerous due to the short intersection on Upshur between Kansas and Georgia, and it’s on the diagonal which seems to glitch everyone’s brain. Add to that the foot and bike traffic from the library and the 2 schools that are just a block north, it’s absolute chaos from 3:15-6pm.
I have written JLG about this intersection multiple times. The kids run into the street, ride the e-bikes like they have no cares in the world while drivers run red lights trying to make it through without having to stop for another cycle.
The whole thing in a constant accident waiting to happen and yet there’s never been crossing guards anywhere. For a moment they had “safe passage” people working there but they mostly just sat on the brick ledge by the library.
This was preventable and my heart goes out to the family.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Arlington had a death where a truck hit the open door which then impacted the mom leaning into the car.

https://wjla.com/news/local/truck-driver-charged-in-death-of-arlington-mom-jennifer-lawson-102066

Jennifer was a friend of mine (and very likley others here). Her death was a horrible tragedy but the drivers stopped and called the police.

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Anonymous wrote:I wasn’t an eyewitness to the hit and run being discussed here, but I have been living, driving, walking, and biking through that intersection for close to 20 years.
It’s extremely dangerous due to the short intersection on Upshur between Kansas and Georgia, and it’s on the diagonal which seems to glitch everyone’s brain. Add to that the foot and bike traffic from the library and the 2 schools that are just a block north, it’s absolute chaos from 3:15-6pm.
I have written JLG about this intersection multiple times. The kids run into the street, ride the e-bikes like they have no cares in the world while drivers run red lights trying to make it through without having to stop for another cycle.
The whole thing in a constant accident waiting to happen and yet there’s never been crossing guards anywhere. For a moment they had “safe passage” people working there but they mostly just sat on the brick ledge by the library.
This was preventable and my heart goes out to the family.

Ban bikes on the road there.

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Anonymous wrote:I do not understand why he isn't charged for manslaughter. Of course this was not intentional, but it still led to a death. The driver needs legal consequences.

From the description of events, it isn't clear he ever saw them or knew he hit them.

So he just drove off and ditched his truck for funsies. Sounds very normal and not sociopathic, so par for the course for drivers in this area.

Perhaps the driver was an undocumented american, and feared they would be deported for what was basically an accident that was the fault of the cyclist. And it was. Cyclists shouldn’t go zooming past vehicles about to make a right turn on their right side. That’s like Bike-101. Stupid.


But if the driver feared being taken into ICE custody and separated from his family just because a cyclist did something dumb, I can totally understand and forgive them for leaving the scene. Someone else does something stupid and now YOU get deported? That’s BS.

Why jump to conclusions when you can manifest assumptions out of thin air.

Unless you were an eye witness to the crash (not an accident), you are an irresponsible nincompoop for peddling baseless rumors.

We don't know for certain, but it isn't baseless. That's what the police have described.

Not in any report that I’ve read. If you have other sources, cite them. Or else stop peddling shit you made up.

It's in the OP!

MPD officials said its Major Crash investigations unit determined the trash truck and the e-bike were traveling northeast on Kansas Avenue and came to the intersection with Upshur Street at the same time. Investigators said the truck made a right turn onto Upshur Street when the front right section of the vehicle hit the e-bike.

There's no great mystery here.

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Anonymous wrote:I do not understand why he isn't charged for manslaughter. Of course this was not intentional, but it still led to a death. The driver needs legal consequences.

From the description of events, it isn't clear he ever saw them or knew he hit them.

So he just drove off and ditched his truck for funsies. Sounds very normal and not sociopathic, so par for the course for drivers in this area.

Perhaps the driver was an undocumented american, and feared they would be deported for what was basically an accident that was the fault of the cyclist. And it was. Cyclists shouldn’t go zooming past vehicles about to make a right turn on their right side. That’s like Bike-101. Stupid.


But if the driver feared being taken into ICE custody and separated from his family just because a cyclist did something dumb, I can totally understand and forgive them for leaving the scene. Someone else does something stupid and now YOU get deported? That’s BS.

Why jump to conclusions when you can manifest assumptions out of thin air.

Unless you were an eye witness to the crash (not an accident), you are an irresponsible nincompoop for peddling baseless rumors.

We don't know for certain, but it isn't baseless. That's what the police have described.

Not in any report that I’ve read. If you have other sources, cite them. Or else stop peddling shit you made up.

It's in the OP!

MPD officials said its Major Crash investigations unit determined the trash truck and the e-bike were traveling northeast on Kansas Avenue and came to the intersection with Upshur Street at the same time. Investigators said the truck made a right turn onto Upshur Street when the front right section of the vehicle hit the e-bike.

There's no great mystery here.

So you think those facts justify this conclusion?:

“Cyclists shouldn’t go zooming past vehicles about to make a right turn on their right side. That’s like Bike-101. Stupid.”

If so, that is straight up bananas and puts your bias on display for the world to see.

If the e-bike and the truck arrived at the intersection at the same time and the e-bike is going straight, the e-bike has the right of way.

As was noted earlier, there is even a bright yellow sign on Kansas at that intersection instructing drivers to give way to cyclists and pedestrians.

There is only one scenario in which the crash is not the drivers fault and that was if the cyclist(s) had been essentially hiding behind the truck and then jumped out on the right side just as the truck was turning. In any other scenario, the driver should have been well aware (either by checking their right mirror or by having passed the cyclist) that the cyclist was on their right and given way to them as they are explicitly instructed to do.

But we don’t know exactly what happened and so I am not going to blame either party for the crash until I get more facts.

It’s appalling and disgusting how eager some of y’all are to manifest baseless assumptions to justify your desperate need to believe that any cyclist who is killed must be responsible for their own death.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I do not understand why he isn't charged for manslaughter. Of course this was not intentional, but it still led to a death. The driver needs legal consequences.

From the description of events, it isn't clear he ever saw them or knew he hit them.

So he just drove off and ditched his truck for funsies. Sounds very normal and not sociopathic, so par for the course for drivers in this area.

Perhaps the driver was an undocumented american, and feared they would be deported for what was basically an accident that was the fault of the cyclist. And it was. Cyclists shouldn’t go zooming past vehicles about to make a right turn on their right side. That’s like Bike-101. Stupid.


But if the driver feared being taken into ICE custody and separated from his family just because a cyclist did something dumb, I can totally understand and forgive them for leaving the scene. Someone else does something stupid and now YOU get deported? That’s BS.

Why jump to conclusions when you can manifest assumptions out of thin air.

Unless you were an eye witness to the crash (not an accident), you are an irresponsible nincompoop for peddling baseless rumors.

Although we get plenty of baseless assumptions about how everything is always the driver's fault. Also, we can please stop with this stupid crash/accident nomenclature bullshit? It's very tedious.

If you don’t understand the distinction between an accident and a crash and why most vehicular crashes aren’t accidents, I can only be sorry that you received such a poor quality education.

[Anonymous]

It's weird when someone who committed a crime isn't identified.
It happens a lot if you're paying attention.