Are co-ed high schools becoming more popular?

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Anonymous wrote:Coed schools have the kids that party and act promiscuous. Check your kids Snapchat and instagram. So yes that is where the kids want to be.

Clearly you don’t have hs kids. The worst private parties are from the catholic girls schools, then Landon & prep. It’s been like this since I grew up in the area. I purposely put my kids at a non-denominational k-12
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Anonymous wrote:All the schools are fully enrolled every year, so doesn’t that mean that the same number of kids are choosing either option as in any past years?


It could be that these schools have a lower yield rate and have to admit more kids to fill their classes, or go deeper into their waitlists. If applications really are up, then that could offset this somewhat. However, just because a school is fully enrolled that doesn't tell you much. Admissions are not necessarily selective.



+1 the fact that these schools can fill their seats is not saying much


Then what do you suppose it is saying? What an odd take. I have kids at both Visi and Gonzaga and know admission has gotten more difficult every year. I have a child from the GZ class last year that had a crazy, unprecedented yield. Schools overall are getting more and more applications as people are turning to private.


It just shows that people are disappointed with the public options.


That’s one possibility.
Another is that these schools are popular.



Being able to fill their seats just shows these schools are not completely failing. At Gonzaga, 35% of students receive need based financial aid, so they are giving out discounts to fill their seats. In addition they offer merit based scholarships, which most top private schools do not offer. So it seems they also need to give discounts to attract better students, which is pretty abnormal.

The acceptance rate would be helpful to know, as we suspect it is significantly higher than peer schools.


Am I understanding that you think Gonzaga is full because it is giving discounts? The merit aid is a handful of students. Do you suppose, perhaps, that financial aid might be a core part of the values of the school, not a scheme to fill seats? Again, I know many, many kids disappointed to not get into Gonzaga last year and I’d estimate 90% of those 20 or so I know are full pay. They give aid to be able to serve a range of students. They could easily fill their class with full-pay students but choose to give aid.

You seem to have some odd ax to grind but the Catholic privates, even the diocesan ones, are good, extremely popular schools. No one is saying your school isn’t also great and amazing.



You say they could easily fill their seats with full pay students, but provide no evidence. This is probably wrong. I’m just going to reiterate a few points.

Need based financial aid is normal. At Gonzaga, 35% of students get financial aid. This makes sense but we have no idea if they could fill their seats with full pay students. Please don’t make up bogus things.

Second, it is not normal for top privates to provide merit based scholarships, however Gonzaga does. This suggests that the academic high fliers there are all getting discounts to be there. That is fine, but know this is an unusual practice.


You seem to have a strange need to tear down these Catholic schools. It’s fine if you don’t like them-others do, and guess what-that’s fine too!
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Anonymous wrote:All the schools are fully enrolled every year, so doesn’t that mean that the same number of kids are choosing either option as in any past years?


It could be that these schools have a lower yield rate and have to admit more kids to fill their classes, or go deeper into their waitlists. If applications really are up, then that could offset this somewhat. However, just because a school is fully enrolled that doesn't tell you much. Admissions are not necessarily selective.



+1 the fact that these schools can fill their seats is not saying much


Then what do you suppose it is saying? What an odd take. I have kids at both Visi and Gonzaga and know admission has gotten more difficult every year. I have a child from the GZ class last year that had a crazy, unprecedented yield. Schools overall are getting more and more applications as people are turning to private.


It just shows that people are disappointed with the public options.


That’s one possibility.
Another is that these schools are popular.



Being able to fill their seats just shows these schools are not completely failing. At Gonzaga, 35% of students receive need based financial aid, so they are giving out discounts to fill their seats. In addition they offer merit based scholarships, which most top private schools do not offer. So it seems they also need to give discounts to attract better students, which is pretty abnormal.

The acceptance rate would be helpful to know, as we suspect it is significantly higher than peer schools.


Am I understanding that you think Gonzaga is full because it is giving discounts? The merit aid is a handful of students. Do you suppose, perhaps, that financial aid might be a core part of the values of the school, not a scheme to fill seats? Again, I know many, many kids disappointed to not get into Gonzaga last year and I’d estimate 90% of those 20 or so I know are full pay. They give aid to be able to serve a range of students. They could easily fill their class with full-pay students but choose to give aid.

You seem to have some odd ax to grind but the Catholic privates, even the diocesan ones, are good, extremely popular schools. No one is saying your school isn’t also great and amazing.



You say they could easily fill their seats with full pay students, but provide no evidence. This is probably wrong. I’m just going to reiterate a few points.

Need based financial aid is normal. At Gonzaga, 35% of students get financial aid. This makes sense but we have no idea if they could fill their seats with full pay students. Please don’t make up bogus things.

Second, it is not normal for top privates to provide merit based scholarships, however Gonzaga does. This suggests that the academic high fliers there are all getting discounts to be there. That is fine, but know this is an unusual practice.


NP. Unlike many schools, Gonzaga’s admissions office openly shares the acceptance rate if asked and it is around 30%. I don’t know the exact number of full pay applicants, but with an acceptance rate that low, they’re obviously turning away many full pay kids and probably could fill a class with them. The school CHOOSES to offer a good amounts of aid because of the reasons PP stated. We’re a full pay family who also contributes directly to the financial aid reserves and the school’s values of making a GZ education accessible to those who couldn’t otherwise afford it and thereby creating a more diverse class is one of the many things we love about the school. Also, the number of boys who are offered a scholarship (as opposed to aid) is extremely low. My DS with straight As in middle school and mid 90s on his HSPTs was not offered one.
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Anonymous wrote:All the schools are fully enrolled every year, so doesn’t that mean that the same number of kids are choosing either option as in any past years?


It could be that these schools have a lower yield rate and have to admit more kids to fill their classes, or go deeper into their waitlists. If applications really are up, then that could offset this somewhat. However, just because a school is fully enrolled that doesn't tell you much. Admissions are not necessarily selective.



+1 the fact that these schools can fill their seats is not saying much


Then what do you suppose it is saying? What an odd take. I have kids at both Visi and Gonzaga and know admission has gotten more difficult every year. I have a child from the GZ class last year that had a crazy, unprecedented yield. Schools overall are getting more and more applications as people are turning to private.


It just shows that people are disappointed with the public options.


That’s one possibility.
Another is that these schools are popular.



Being able to fill their seats just shows these schools are not completely failing. At Gonzaga, 35% of students receive need based financial aid, so they are giving out discounts to fill their seats. In addition they offer merit based scholarships, which most top private schools do not offer. So it seems they also need to give discounts to attract better students, which is pretty abnormal.

The acceptance rate would be helpful to know, as we suspect it is significantly higher than peer schools.


Am I understanding that you think Gonzaga is full because it is giving discounts? The merit aid is a handful of students. Do you suppose, perhaps, that financial aid might be a core part of the values of the school, not a scheme to fill seats? Again, I know many, many kids disappointed to not get into Gonzaga last year and I’d estimate 90% of those 20 or so I know are full pay. They give aid to be able to serve a range of students. They could easily fill their class with full-pay students but choose to give aid.

You seem to have some odd ax to grind but the Catholic privates, even the diocesan ones, are good, extremely popular schools. No one is saying your school isn’t also great and amazing.



You say they could easily fill their seats with full pay students, but provide no evidence. This is probably wrong. I’m just going to reiterate a few points.

Need based financial aid is normal. At Gonzaga, 35% of students get financial aid. This makes sense but we have no idea if they could fill their seats with full pay students. Please don’t make up bogus things.

Second, it is not normal for top privates to provide merit based scholarships, however Gonzaga does. This suggests that the academic high fliers there are all getting discounts to be there. That is fine, but know this is an unusual practice.


NP. Unlike many schools, Gonzaga’s admissions office openly shares the acceptance rate if asked and it is around 30%. I don’t know the exact number of full pay applicants, but with an acceptance rate that low, they’re obviously turning away many full pay kids and probably could fill a class with them. The school CHOOSES to offer a good amounts of aid because of the reasons PP stated. We’re a full pay family who also contributes directly to the financial aid reserves and the school’s values of making a GZ education accessible to those who couldn’t otherwise afford it and thereby creating a more diverse class is one of the many things we love about the school. Also, the number of boys who are offered a scholarship (as opposed to aid) is extremely low. My DS with straight As in middle school and mid 90s on his HSPTs was not offered one.


You have to assume not all applicants are qualified. Just as an example, if half the applicants are qualified, and half of those can afford full pay, that brings you down to only 25% of applicants who could be full pay students.

With 35% financial aid, if you wanted a class full of full pay students, you would have to increase full pay students by about 50% to bring the class to entirely full pay.

So could the class fill their seats with entirely full pay students? A 50% increase? It is questionable and would likely require them to bring in unqualified students.
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Anonymous wrote:All the schools are fully enrolled every year, so doesn’t that mean that the same number of kids are choosing either option as in any past years?


It could be that these schools have a lower yield rate and have to admit more kids to fill their classes, or go deeper into their waitlists. If applications really are up, then that could offset this somewhat. However, just because a school is fully enrolled that doesn't tell you much. Admissions are not necessarily selective.



+1 the fact that these schools can fill their seats is not saying much


Then what do you suppose it is saying? What an odd take. I have kids at both Visi and Gonzaga and know admission has gotten more difficult every year. I have a child from the GZ class last year that had a crazy, unprecedented yield. Schools overall are getting more and more applications as people are turning to private.


It just shows that people are disappointed with the public options.


That’s one possibility.
Another is that these schools are popular.



Being able to fill their seats just shows these schools are not completely failing. At Gonzaga, 35% of students receive need based financial aid, so they are giving out discounts to fill their seats. In addition they offer merit based scholarships, which most top private schools do not offer. So it seems they also need to give discounts to attract better students, which is pretty abnormal.

The acceptance rate would be helpful to know, as we suspect it is significantly higher than peer schools.


Am I understanding that you think Gonzaga is full because it is giving discounts? The merit aid is a handful of students. Do you suppose, perhaps, that financial aid might be a core part of the values of the school, not a scheme to fill seats? Again, I know many, many kids disappointed to not get into Gonzaga last year and I’d estimate 90% of those 20 or so I know are full pay. They give aid to be able to serve a range of students. They could easily fill their class with full-pay students but choose to give aid.

You seem to have some odd ax to grind but the Catholic privates, even the diocesan ones, are good, extremely popular schools. No one is saying your school isn’t also great and amazing.



You say they could easily fill their seats with full pay students, but provide no evidence. This is probably wrong. I’m just going to reiterate a few points.

Need based financial aid is normal. At Gonzaga, 35% of students get financial aid. This makes sense but we have no idea if they could fill their seats with full pay students. Please don’t make up bogus things.

Second, it is not normal for top privates to provide merit based scholarships, however Gonzaga does. This suggests that the academic high fliers there are all getting discounts to be there. That is fine, but know this is an unusual practice.


You seem to have a strange need to tear down these Catholic schools. It’s fine if you don’t like them-others do, and guess what-that’s fine too!


I don't care if a school is catholic or not. Just be honest about exploring the facts.
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Anonymous wrote:All the schools are fully enrolled every year, so doesn’t that mean that the same number of kids are choosing either option as in any past years?


It could be that these schools have a lower yield rate and have to admit more kids to fill their classes, or go deeper into their waitlists. If applications really are up, then that could offset this somewhat. However, just because a school is fully enrolled that doesn't tell you much. Admissions are not necessarily selective.



+1 the fact that these schools can fill their seats is not saying much


Then what do you suppose it is saying? What an odd take. I have kids at both Visi and Gonzaga and know admission has gotten more difficult every year. I have a child from the GZ class last year that had a crazy, unprecedented yield. Schools overall are getting more and more applications as people are turning to private.


It just shows that people are disappointed with the public options.


That’s one possibility.
Another is that these schools are popular.



Being able to fill their seats just shows these schools are not completely failing. At Gonzaga, 35% of students receive need based financial aid, so they are giving out discounts to fill their seats. In addition they offer merit based scholarships, which most top private schools do not offer. So it seems they also need to give discounts to attract better students, which is pretty abnormal.

The acceptance rate would be helpful to know, as we suspect it is significantly higher than peer schools.


Am I understanding that you think Gonzaga is full because it is giving discounts? The merit aid is a handful of students. Do you suppose, perhaps, that financial aid might be a core part of the values of the school, not a scheme to fill seats? Again, I know many, many kids disappointed to not get into Gonzaga last year and I’d estimate 90% of those 20 or so I know are full pay. They give aid to be able to serve a range of students. They could easily fill their class with full-pay students but choose to give aid.

You seem to have some odd ax to grind but the Catholic privates, even the diocesan ones, are good, extremely popular schools. No one is saying your school isn’t also great and amazing.



You say they could easily fill their seats with full pay students, but provide no evidence. This is probably wrong. I’m just going to reiterate a few points.

Need based financial aid is normal. At Gonzaga, 35% of students get financial aid. This makes sense but we have no idea if they could fill their seats with full pay students. Please don’t make up bogus things.

Second, it is not normal for top privates to provide merit based scholarships, however Gonzaga does. This suggests that the academic high fliers there are all getting discounts to be there. That is fine, but know this is an unusual practice.


You seem to have a strange need to tear down these Catholic schools. It’s fine if you don’t like them-others do, and guess what-that’s fine too!


I don't care if a school is catholic or not. Just be honest about exploring the facts.


Facts? You seem to know very little about Gonzaga yet have an ax to grind for whatever reason.
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Anonymous wrote:All the schools are fully enrolled every year, so doesn’t that mean that the same number of kids are choosing either option as in any past years?


It could be that these schools have a lower yield rate and have to admit more kids to fill their classes, or go deeper into their waitlists. If applications really are up, then that could offset this somewhat. However, just because a school is fully enrolled that doesn't tell you much. Admissions are not necessarily selective.



+1 the fact that these schools can fill their seats is not saying much


Then what do you suppose it is saying? What an odd take. I have kids at both Visi and Gonzaga and know admission has gotten more difficult every year. I have a child from the GZ class last year that had a crazy, unprecedented yield. Schools overall are getting more and more applications as people are turning to private.


It just shows that people are disappointed with the public options.


That’s one possibility.
Another is that these schools are popular.



Being able to fill their seats just shows these schools are not completely failing. At Gonzaga, 35% of students receive need based financial aid, so they are giving out discounts to fill their seats. In addition they offer merit based scholarships, which most top private schools do not offer. So it seems they also need to give discounts to attract better students, which is pretty abnormal.

The acceptance rate would be helpful to know, as we suspect it is significantly higher than peer schools.


Am I understanding that you think Gonzaga is full because it is giving discounts? The merit aid is a handful of students. Do you suppose, perhaps, that financial aid might be a core part of the values of the school, not a scheme to fill seats? Again, I know many, many kids disappointed to not get into Gonzaga last year and I’d estimate 90% of those 20 or so I know are full pay. They give aid to be able to serve a range of students. They could easily fill their class with full-pay students but choose to give aid.

You seem to have some odd ax to grind but the Catholic privates, even the diocesan ones, are good, extremely popular schools. No one is saying your school isn’t also great and amazing.



You say they could easily fill their seats with full pay students, but provide no evidence. This is probably wrong. I’m just going to reiterate a few points.

Need based financial aid is normal. At Gonzaga, 35% of students get financial aid. This makes sense but we have no idea if they could fill their seats with full pay students. Please don’t make up bogus things.

Second, it is not normal for top privates to provide merit based scholarships, however Gonzaga does. This suggests that the academic high fliers there are all getting discounts to be there. That is fine, but know this is an unusual practice.


You seem to have a strange need to tear down these Catholic schools. It’s fine if you don’t like them-others do, and guess what-that’s fine too!


I don't care if a school is catholic or not. Just be honest about exploring the facts.


Facts? You seem to know very little about Gonzaga yet have an ax to grind for whatever reason.


What was said applies to most private schools.
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Again, this is the weirdest thread.

Financial aid is not an indicator of declining "popularity." (At the college level, Ivy League schools are among the most generous in the U.S. for financial aid. I can't imagine a single person could argue with a straight face that this is a recruiting strategy to ward off declining popularity!)

Oddly, the poster screaming about "facts" doesn't believe that applications and yields at an all-time high are data points that speak to popularity. If you are going to argue about the decline in popularity of something, certainly, there has to be a measure of what is declining.

Random anecdotes are just that - anecdotes.
This is the equivalent of arguing that vanilla ice cream is less popular than chocolate because your friends all like chocolate. They can both be exceptionally popular at the same time. There are actual metrics that would indicate a decline in popularity. That's what you need to measure if you want to claim a shift as a fact.
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Anonymous wrote:Again, this is the weirdest thread.

Financial aid is not an indicator of declining "popularity." (At the college level, Ivy League schools are among the most generous in the U.S. for financial aid. I can't imagine a single person could argue with a straight face that this is a recruiting strategy to ward off declining popularity!)

Oddly, the poster screaming about "facts" doesn't believe that applications and yields at an all-time high are data points that speak to popularity. If you are going to argue about the decline in popularity of something, certainly, there has to be a measure of what is declining.

Random anecdotes are just that - anecdotes.
This is the equivalent of arguing that vanilla ice cream is less popular than chocolate because your friends all like chocolate. They can both be exceptionally popular at the same time. There are actual metrics that would indicate a decline in popularity. That's what you need to measure if you want to claim a shift as a fact.



Nobody said a lot of the things you are arguing.


A private school with a 30% acceptance rate may seem selective, but when you understand the details, the school is probably actually operating at the margins of being able to fill their class with qualified students and stay in business.
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Anonymous wrote:Again, this is the weirdest thread.

Financial aid is not an indicator of declining "popularity." (At the college level, Ivy League schools are among the most generous in the U.S. for financial aid. I can't imagine a single person could argue with a straight face that this is a recruiting strategy to ward off declining popularity!)

Oddly, the poster screaming about "facts" doesn't believe that applications and yields at an all-time high are data points that speak to popularity. If you are going to argue about the decline in popularity of something, certainly, there has to be a measure of what is declining.

Random anecdotes are just that - anecdotes.
This is the equivalent of arguing that vanilla ice cream is less popular than chocolate because your friends all like chocolate. They can both be exceptionally popular at the same time. There are actual metrics that would indicate a decline in popularity. That's what you need to measure if you want to claim a shift as a fact.



Nobody said a lot of the things you are arguing.


A private school with a 30% acceptance rate may seem selective, but when you understand the details, the school is probably actually operating at the margins of being able to fill their class with qualified students and stay in business.



This is probably one of the best kept secrets of private schools.
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Anonymous wrote:Again, this is the weirdest thread.

Financial aid is not an indicator of declining "popularity." (At the college level, Ivy League schools are among the most generous in the U.S. for financial aid. I can't imagine a single person could argue with a straight face that this is a recruiting strategy to ward off declining popularity!)

Oddly, the poster screaming about "facts" doesn't believe that applications and yields at an all-time high are data points that speak to popularity. If you are going to argue about the decline in popularity of something, certainly, there has to be a measure of what is declining.

Random anecdotes are just that - anecdotes.
This is the equivalent of arguing that vanilla ice cream is less popular than chocolate because your friends all like chocolate. They can both be exceptionally popular at the same time. There are actual metrics that would indicate a decline in popularity. That's what you need to measure if you want to claim a shift as a fact.



Nobody said a lot of the things you are arguing.


A private school with a 30% acceptance rate may seem selective, but when you understand the details, the school is probably actually operating at the margins of being able to fill their class with qualified students and stay in business.


“Probably “?

Where are your facts?

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Anonymous wrote:All the schools are fully enrolled every year, so doesn’t that mean that the same number of kids are choosing either option as in any past years?


It could be that these schools have a lower yield rate and have to admit more kids to fill their classes, or go deeper into their waitlists. If applications really are up, then that could offset this somewhat. However, just because a school is fully enrolled that doesn't tell you much. Admissions are not necessarily selective.



+1 the fact that these schools can fill their seats is not saying much


Then what do you suppose it is saying? What an odd take. I have kids at both Visi and Gonzaga and know admission has gotten more difficult every year. I have a child from the GZ class last year that had a crazy, unprecedented yield. Schools overall are getting more and more applications as people are turning to private.


It just shows that people are disappointed with the public options.


That’s one possibility.
Another is that these schools are popular.



Being able to fill their seats just shows these schools are not completely failing. At Gonzaga, 35% of students receive need based financial aid, so they are giving out discounts to fill their seats. In addition they offer merit based scholarships, which most top private schools do not offer. So it seems they also need to give discounts to attract better students, which is pretty abnormal.

The acceptance rate would be helpful to know, as we suspect it is significantly higher than peer schools.


Am I understanding that you think Gonzaga is full because it is giving discounts? The merit aid is a handful of students. Do you suppose, perhaps, that financial aid might be a core part of the values of the school, not a scheme to fill seats? Again, I know many, many kids disappointed to not get into Gonzaga last year and I’d estimate 90% of those 20 or so I know are full pay. They give aid to be able to serve a range of students. They could easily fill their class with full-pay students but choose to give aid.

You seem to have some odd ax to grind but the Catholic privates, even the diocesan ones, are good, extremely popular schools. No one is saying your school isn’t also great and amazing.



You say they could easily fill their seats with full pay students, but provide no evidence. This is probably wrong. I’m just going to reiterate a few points.

Need based financial aid is normal. At Gonzaga, 35% of students get financial aid. This makes sense but we have no idea if they could fill their seats with full pay students. Please don’t make up bogus things.

Second, it is not normal for top privates to provide merit based scholarships, however Gonzaga does. This suggests that the academic high fliers there are all getting discounts to be there. That is fine, but know this is an unusual practice.


You seem to have a strange need to tear down these Catholic schools. It’s fine if you don’t like them-others do, and guess what-that’s fine too!


I don't care if a school is catholic or not. Just be honest about exploring the facts.


Facts? You seem to know very little about Gonzaga yet have an ax to grind for whatever reason.


What was said applies to most private schools.


Name them.
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Anonymous wrote:Nobody said a lot of the things you are arguing.



All of those things have been said in this thread.
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Anonymous wrote:Again, this is the weirdest thread.

Financial aid is not an indicator of declining "popularity." (At the college level, Ivy League schools are among the most generous in the U.S. for financial aid. I can't imagine a single person could argue with a straight face that this is a recruiting strategy to ward off declining popularity!)

Oddly, the poster screaming about "facts" doesn't believe that applications and yields at an all-time high are data points that speak to popularity. If you are going to argue about the decline in popularity of something, certainly, there has to be a measure of what is declining.

Random anecdotes are just that - anecdotes.
This is the equivalent of arguing that vanilla ice cream is less popular than chocolate because your friends all like chocolate. They can both be exceptionally popular at the same time. There are actual metrics that would indicate a decline in popularity. That's what you need to measure if you want to claim a shift as a fact.


I agree with all of this, including that this is the weirdest thread ever. Applications to private schools have increased significantly generally and are at an all time high at the two single sex high schools with which I am familiar. The popularity of certain high schools is going to vary from one k-8 to the next and from one class to the next for a bunch of reasons. Unless someone has done a statistical analysis of the increase in applications at all single sex schools in the area v all coed schools and how this has changed over time, no one knows if coed schools are becoming more popular. Sharing what is popular at your DC’s k-8 is purely anecdotal.
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