“District Administrators” $200,000 plus; teachers only get $61k

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Anonymous wrote:This argument doesn't make sense at all. Why would the starting salary of a teacher compare to a District Administrator who most likely has many more years of experience under their belt in addition to higher levels of responsibility and mostly likely education?

You can look up any FCPS employee's salary online - it is public knowledge and there are a large number of classroom teachers earning over $100K who are 10 year teachers or more.

I think $61,747/year starting salary for a 39-week contract with 3-6% raises each year is actually quite fair. If the payrate remained the same and teachers worked a 52-week year like most other salaried professionals, that starting salary would be over $82K.

Now, if you want to have a discussion about the amount of crap that teachers have to deal with from parents, students, and administrators, then that is another conversation with another set of solutions other than throwing more money at teachers to make all of the crap "worth it."

The question is not about their experience. The question is what do they do for the school system that benefits our students? And, what does their office bring to benefit our students.

Just take a look at Reid's PR department. Look at all the videos posted about her. Look at all the messages from her touting her comings and goings.

Please list what Reid and her people have done to make FCPS better for our students.

I fail to see how the following have made it better:

Expensive legal cases.
A bumbling roll out of a new school. While it may not affect all of FCPS, it is a premium example of lack of common sense leadership.
A terrible redistricting process that accomplishes little and delays/ignores the boundaries of the new school--which will/should have a direct effect on several high schools.
A confusing calendar with almost no five day weeks for the first months of school.

There's more.
Feel free to add her accomplishments and those of her well-paid staff.

Your participation/interaction with FCPS has always been optional. If you don’t like it….

Dp. We can what? Stop paying taxes?

You could move, go private, homeschool. So many options.

or we could fire gatehouse people and all the extra administrators bloating the FCPS system. Stop covering for a system that has been broken for years. FCPS is not serving anyone but the top people in the county. Get a grip and open your eyes.

You sound certifiable. Like a complete loon with lots of invalid and irrational feelings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This argument doesn't make sense at all. Why would the starting salary of a teacher compare to a District Administrator who most likely has many more years of experience under their belt in addition to higher levels of responsibility and mostly likely education?

You can look up any FCPS employee's salary online - it is public knowledge and there are a large number of classroom teachers earning over $100K who are 10 year teachers or more.

I think $61,747/year starting salary for a 39-week contract with 3-6% raises each year is actually quite fair. If the payrate remained the same and teachers worked a 52-week year like most other salaried professionals, that starting salary would be over $82K.

Now, if you want to have a discussion about the amount of crap that teachers have to deal with from parents, students, and administrators, then that is another conversation with another set of solutions other than throwing more money at teachers to make all of the crap "worth it."

MAGAs DGAF about facts or reason.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This argument doesn't make sense at all. Why would the starting salary of a teacher compare to a District Administrator who most likely has many more years of experience under their belt in addition to higher levels of responsibility and mostly likely education?

You can look up any FCPS employee's salary online - it is public knowledge and there are a large number of classroom teachers earning over $100K who are 10 year teachers or more.

I think $61,747/year starting salary for a 39-week contract with 3-6% raises each year is actually quite fair. If the payrate remained the same and teachers worked a 52-week year like most other salaried professionals, that starting salary would be over $82K.

Now, if you want to have a discussion about the amount of crap that teachers have to deal with from parents, students, and administrators, then that is another conversation with another set of solutions other than throwing more money at teachers to make all of the crap "worth it."

MAGAs DGAF about facts or reason.

The problem is the number of people making lots of money. Just look at the bloat at the top since Reid arrived. Please tell me what Lisa Youngblood-Hall has done to make things better.

Look at the School Board hiring additional assistants at salaries higher than teachers. And, many of them are Democrat Part activists. Just a few years ago, School Board members shared assistants. Now each is entitled to two of them--one of those at a high salary.

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And, please don't forget:
Those highly paid staff members have organizations with lots of people working for them. Please tell me what they do.
Be specific.

Certainly, those who do payroll and budgets do need staff. But, there are far too many who just "make work" for teachers rather than support them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This argument doesn't make sense at all. Why would the starting salary of a teacher compare to a District Administrator who most likely has many more years of experience under their belt in addition to higher levels of responsibility and mostly likely education?

You can look up any FCPS employee's salary online - it is public knowledge and there are a large number of classroom teachers earning over $100K who are 10 year teachers or more.

I think $61,747/year starting salary for a 39-week contract with 3-6% raises each year is actually quite fair. If the payrate remained the same and teachers worked a 52-week year like most other salaried professionals, that starting salary would be over $82K.

Now, if you want to have a discussion about the amount of crap that teachers have to deal with from parents, students, and administrators, then that is another conversation with another set of solutions other than throwing more money at teachers to make all of the crap "worth it."

The question is not about their experience. The question is what do they do for the school system that benefits our students? And, what does their office bring to benefit our students.

Just take a look at Reid's PR department. Look at all the videos posted about her. Look at all the messages from her touting her comings and goings.

Please list what Reid and her people have done to make FCPS better for our students.

I fail to see how the following have made it better:

Expensive legal cases.
A bumbling roll out of a new school. While it may not affect all of FCPS, it is a premium example of lack of common sense leadership.
A terrible redistricting process that accomplishes little and delays/ignores the boundaries of the new school--which will/should have a direct effect on several high schools.
A confusing calendar with almost no five day weeks for the first months of school.

There's more.
Feel free to add her accomplishments and those of her well-paid staff.

Your participation/interaction with FCPS has always been optional. If you don’t like it….

Dp. We can what? Stop paying taxes?

You could move, go private, homeschool. So many options.

or we could fire gatehouse people and all the extra administrators bloating the FCPS system. Stop covering for a system that has been broken for years. FCPS is not serving anyone but the top people in the county. Get a grip and open your eyes.

You sound certifiable. Like a complete loon with lots of invalid and irrational feelings.

DP. And there ya go.
Yeah they see things differently than you do and therefore they are a “loon”.
Worst thing about DCUM.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This argument doesn't make sense at all. Why would the starting salary of a teacher compare to a District Administrator who most likely has many more years of experience under their belt in addition to higher levels of responsibility and mostly likely education?

You can look up any FCPS employee's salary online - it is public knowledge and there are a large number of classroom teachers earning over $100K who are 10 year teachers or more.

I think $61,747/year starting salary for a 39-week contract with 3-6% raises each year is actually quite fair. If the payrate remained the same and teachers worked a 52-week year like most other salaried professionals, that starting salary would be over $82K.

Now, if you want to have a discussion about the amount of crap that teachers have to deal with from parents, students, and administrators, then that is another conversation with another set of solutions other than throwing more money at teachers to make all of the crap "worth it."

MAGAs DGAF about facts or reason.

Most other salaried professionals aren’t working a full 52 weeks anyhow. The average professional in the private sector receives approximately 15 days of paid vacation per year after their first year of employment, according to Bureau of Labor Statistics data. This amount usually increases with tenure, often reaching 15–20 days after 5–10 years of service.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: Fairfax County Public Schools pays its teachers a starting annual salary of $61,747 as it gives 44 of its district administrators over $200,000 per year. Meanwhile, student performance is abysmal, + teachers are paying for their own classroom supplies.


Is this fair and equitable?

Entry level teachers means a recent bachelors, no job experience, and a 10M contract. $61,747 is pretty good. If you told me the qualifications of the administrators I’d be in a place to say if I thought it was fair.

Parents are routinely asked to purchase the teachers requested classroom supplies so don’t worry, if that’s what bothers you, you can just get their Amazon list.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This argument doesn't make sense at all. Why would the starting salary of a teacher compare to a District Administrator who most likely has many more years of experience under their belt in addition to higher levels of responsibility and mostly likely education?

You can look up any FCPS employee's salary online - it is public knowledge and there are a large number of classroom teachers earning over $100K who are 10 year teachers or more.

I think $61,747/year starting salary for a 39-week contract with 3-6% raises each year is actually quite fair. If the payrate remained the same and teachers worked a 52-week year like most other salaried professionals, that starting salary would be over $82K.

Now, if you want to have a discussion about the amount of crap that teachers have to deal with from parents, students, and administrators, then that is another conversation with another set of solutions other than throwing more money at teachers to make all of the crap "worth it."

The question is not about their experience. The question is what do they do for the school system that benefits our students? And, what does their office bring to benefit our students.

Just take a look at Reid's PR department. Look at all the videos posted about her. Look at all the messages from her touting her comings and goings.

Please list what Reid and her people have done to make FCPS better for our students.

I fail to see how the following have made it better:

Expensive legal cases.
A bumbling roll out of a new school. While it may not affect all of FCPS, it is a premium example of lack of common sense leadership.
A terrible redistricting process that accomplishes little and delays/ignores the boundaries of the new school--which will/should have a direct effect on several high schools.
A confusing calendar with almost no five day weeks for the first months of school.

There's more.
Feel free to add her accomplishments and those of her well-paid staff.

Your participation/interaction with FCPS has always been optional. If you don’t like it….

Dp. We can what? Stop paying taxes?

You could move, go private, homeschool. So many options.

or we could fire gatehouse people and all the extra administrators bloating the FCPS system. Stop covering for a system that has been broken for years. FCPS is not serving anyone but the top people in the county. Get a grip and open your eyes.

You sound certifiable. Like a complete loon with lots of invalid and irrational feelings.

DP. And there ya go.
Yeah they see things differently than you do and therefore they are a “loon”.
Worst thing about DCUM.

It’s not that complicated. I am correct and they are not. It isn’t like their perspective is valid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Fairfax County Public Schools pays its teachers a starting annual salary of $61,747 as it gives 44 of its district administrators over $200,000 per year. Meanwhile, student performance is abysmal, + teachers are paying for their own classroom supplies.


Is this fair and equitable?

Entry level teachers means a recent bachelors, no job experience, and a 10M contract. $61,747 is pretty good. If you told me the qualifications of the administrators I’d be in a place to say if I thought it was fair.

Parents are routinely asked to purchase the teachers requested classroom supplies so don’t worry, if that’s what bothers you, you can just get their Amazon list.

DP
TBH, I’ve never purchased my own classroom supplies and families have always sent in basic supplies for their own child. It was that way when I was school in the 70s and 80s. We do ask for students to send in tissues, so that would be a classroom supply.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Fairfax County Public Schools pays its teachers a starting annual salary of $61,747 as it gives 44 of its district administrators over $200,000 per year. Meanwhile, student performance is abysmal, + teachers are paying for their own classroom supplies.

Is this fair and equitable?

Entry level teachers means a recent bachelors, no job experience, and a 10M contract. $61,747 is pretty good. If you told me the qualifications of the administrators I’d be in a place to say if I thought it was fair.

Parents are routinely asked to purchase the teachers requested classroom supplies so don’t worry, if that’s what bothers you, you can just get their Amazon list.

DP
TBH, I’ve never purchased my own classroom supplies and families have always sent in basic supplies for their own child. It was that way when I was school in the 70s and 80s. We do ask for students to send in tissues, so that would be a classroom supply.

Good for you. You’ve never bought expo markers for the board? Paper clips? Pens? Scissors? Schools have some of these at the start of the year, but are long gone by January.

I find it hard to believe that you’re a teacher and never bought our own bulletin board borders.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm fine with it. Entry level employees make the least. Experienced executives make 200K+. Makes sense to me.

Okay. Please tell me what these "experienced executives" are doing that makes them so valuable to FCPS.

I mean, if you don't know what executives such as a CFO or a COO do, I'm not sure I'm going to waste my time explaining it to you, but I will ask you who the hell do you think you are insinuating that what they do isn't valuable? Where do you get off?

The nerve of you. Wow, just wow.

The problem is that the “executives” here aren’t making schools more efficient or productive. They are doing the opposite by creating unnecessary work for teachers and insisting we implement idealistic and unproven pedagogical theories (such as inclusion) that are practically impossible to make function smoothly in the classrooms. They spend millions on contracts for flawed resources that we can’t use, and are willing to replace a sharp knife with a dull one for “reasons” that turn out to be false. No, schoology does not easily integrate with SIS to make grading easier for teachers.

Currently, Gatehouse is pushing teachers to integrate AI into the classroom and we have a new contract with chatgpt - that push comes from people who want to sell tech, not teach children. It is a corporate interest, not an educational one.

Gatehouse folks occupy a sphere that doesn’t truly “govern” the parts of education that are actually still working for your kids. Teachers work around the BS handed down to us to be effective.

Only a complete moron doesn't understand that our children need to understand how to use GenAI to succeed in the job market they'll one day enter.

Your list of complaints is a weird, superficial collection of tropes. Remember, these people are experts in this. You're just a dumb parent suffering from Dunning-Krueger.

Seems like Gatehouse has some hurt feelings

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This argument doesn't make sense at all. Why would the starting salary of a teacher compare to a District Administrator who most likely has many more years of experience under their belt in addition to higher levels of responsibility and mostly likely education?

You can look up any FCPS employee's salary online - it is public knowledge and there are a large number of classroom teachers earning over $100K who are 10 year teachers or more.

I think $61,747/year starting salary for a 39-week contract with 3-6% raises each year is actually quite fair. If the payrate remained the same and teachers worked a 52-week year like most other salaried professionals, that starting salary would be over $82K.

Now, if you want to have a discussion about the amount of crap that teachers have to deal with from parents, students, and administrators, then that is another conversation with another set of solutions other than throwing more money at teachers to make all of the crap "worth it."

The question is not about their experience. The question is what do they do for the school system that benefits our students? And, what does their office bring to benefit our students.

Just take a look at Reid's PR department. Look at all the videos posted about her. Look at all the messages from her touting her comings and goings.

Please list what Reid and her people have done to make FCPS better for our students.

I fail to see how the following have made it better:

Expensive legal cases.
A bumbling roll out of a new school. While it may not affect all of FCPS, it is a premium example of lack of common sense leadership.
A terrible redistricting process that accomplishes little and delays/ignores the boundaries of the new school--which will/should have a direct effect on several high schools.
A confusing calendar with almost no five day weeks for the first months of school.

There's more.
Feel free to add her accomplishments and those of her well-paid staff.

Your participation/interaction with FCPS has always been optional. If you don’t like it….

Dp. We can what? Stop paying taxes?

You could move, go private, homeschool. So many options.

or we could fire gatehouse people and all the extra administrators bloating the FCPS system. Stop covering for a system that has been broken for years. FCPS is not serving anyone but the top people in the county. Get a grip and open your eyes.

You sound certifiable. Like a complete loon with lots of invalid and irrational feelings.

Gatehouse stopped by again....we know the truth hurts GH. The only thing invalid is all those useless comfy do nothing positions in Gatehouse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Fairfax County Public Schools pays its teachers a starting annual salary of $61,747 as it gives 44 of its district administrators over $200,000 per year. Meanwhile, student performance is abysmal, + teachers are paying for their own classroom supplies.

Is this fair and equitable?

Entry level teachers means a recent bachelors, no job experience, and a 10M contract. $61,747 is pretty good. If you told me the qualifications of the administrators I’d be in a place to say if I thought it was fair.

Parents are routinely asked to purchase the teachers requested classroom supplies so don’t worry, if that’s what bothers you, you can just get their Amazon list.

DP
TBH, I’ve never purchased my own classroom supplies and families have always sent in basic supplies for their own child. It was that way when I was school in the 70s and 80s. We do ask for students to send in tissues, so that would be a classroom supply.

Good for you. You’ve never bought expo markers for the board? Paper clips? Pens? Scissors? Schools have some of these at the start of the year, but are long gone by January.

I find it hard to believe that you’re a teacher and never bought our own bulletin board borders.

Take your fairy tale somewhere else. I’ve been in FCPS for over 20 years in both Title 1 and wealthy schools. I’ve never bought paperclips or expo markers. Every supply closet is stocked in January.

As for buying bulletin board borders, that’s a choice. If you want to buy some, great. I always had the kids make with construction paper or cardstock from the well-stocked supply room.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This argument doesn't make sense at all. Why would the starting salary of a teacher compare to a District Administrator who most likely has many more years of experience under their belt in addition to higher levels of responsibility and mostly likely education?

You can look up any FCPS employee's salary online - it is public knowledge and there are a large number of classroom teachers earning over $100K who are 10 year teachers or more.

I think $61,747/year starting salary for a 39-week contract with 3-6% raises each year is actually quite fair. If the payrate remained the same and teachers worked a 52-week year like most other salaried professionals, that starting salary would be over $82K.

Now, if you want to have a discussion about the amount of crap that teachers have to deal with from parents, students, and administrators, then that is another conversation with another set of solutions other than throwing more money at teachers to make all of the crap "worth it."

The question is not about their experience. The question is what do they do for the school system that benefits our students? And, what does their office bring to benefit our students.

Just take a look at Reid's PR department. Look at all the videos posted about her. Look at all the messages from her touting her comings and goings.

Please list what Reid and her people have done to make FCPS better for our students.

I fail to see how the following have made it better:

Expensive legal cases.
A bumbling roll out of a new school. While it may not affect all of FCPS, it is a premium example of lack of common sense leadership.
A terrible redistricting process that accomplishes little and delays/ignores the boundaries of the new school--which will/should have a direct effect on several high schools.
A confusing calendar with almost no five day weeks for the first months of school.

There's more.
Feel free to add her accomplishments and those of her well-paid staff.

Your participation/interaction with FCPS has always been optional. If you don’t like it….

Dp. We can what? Stop paying taxes?

You could move, go private, homeschool. So many options.

or we could fire gatehouse people and all the extra administrators bloating the FCPS system. Stop covering for a system that has been broken for years. FCPS is not serving anyone but the top people in the county. Get a grip and open your eyes.

You sound certifiable. Like a complete loon with lots of invalid and irrational feelings.

Gatehouse stopped by again....we know the truth hurts GH. The only thing invalid is all those useless comfy do nothing positions in Gatehouse.

Oh, but they do do something: they make extras paperwork for school staff. And, sometimes they conduct training when they know less than the people being trained.