Harvard’s loss was Boston College’s gain
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Anonymous
Asians are over-represented in the pool of qualified candidates. |
Anonymous
I think the problem is that we keep these statistically improbable distributions of race and SAT scores at these highly selective schools without any good explanation for the disparity except that the admissions committees seem to not like our personality. |
Anonymous
I don't think that is true. The smartest poor kids tend to be immigrants. |
Anonymous
If you are genuinely asking, I am pro affirmative action, yes. Having a diverse student population makes the learning environment richer for all of our kids. Ed Blum's racist/white supremacist views are well-known - before he pursued the SFFA case with Asian American plaintiffs, he tried to bring cases against universities on behalf of white students on a "reverse discrimination" argument and lost those cases. For everyone here who is saying that Asian Americans are overrepresented at top colleges compared to the U.S. population, you are not considering how the acceptances compare to the number of applications received from various racial groups at these schools. The Harvard evidence shows that they receive so many applicants from Asian Americans, the schools need to engage in subtle racism - e.g., giving Asian Americans a lower score on personality, character, etc. - in order to justify keeping out a lot of very qualified students. |
Anonymous
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A lot of Asians are international and they have had issues getting visas.
Also maybe Asians chose not to check a box on the application about what they are as it does not usually help them (even if admissions doesn't see it till after acceptance now). |
Anonymous
The Harvard evidence shows no such thing. Harvard was found not to have discriminated against Asians, the finding was held up on appeal, and it wasn't argued as part of the Supreme Court review. |
Anonymous
This is evidence, not necessarily incontrovertible proof: Demographic evidence: Asian population went from about 3% in 1990 to about 7% in 2010 The Asian population at Harvard went from 19% in 1990 to 17% in 2010 (it had hovered between 15-20% the entire time with few exceptions. The Asian population didn't see a significant rise to current levels until the lawsuits started. Admissions Office evidence: Asian students were scored better than every other group for every category except athletics which went to white students and personality where the racial ordering was an inverse of the academic ratings. The alumni interviewers gave pretty much the same proportion of top scores in this category to applicants of every race (this is the item that most frequently convinces alumni that the Harvard black box is actually a bit racist). Test scores: There is a significant test score gap at pretty much every selective school. None of this is absolute proof of intent but it is certainly evidence of discrimination, intentional or otherwise. |
Anonymous
Not Notre Dame. Seems Asian Americans, as a group, are less Catholic (or just less interested in Catholic schools), than other groups of Americans. Asian Americans are still underrepresented there. Good to keep in mind for those T20 or bust! |
Anonymous
Ed Blum is Jewish, you stupid fhuc! He is the opposite of the white supremacist nazi you keep trying to make him out to be. |
Anonymous
It's not subtle. It's overt. Some asian kids try to make their application look less asian, that is pretty horrible. Is racial diversity enough of a compelling state interest to justify government sanctioned racial discrimination? Most colleges in the world manage to provide good educations while being extremely racially homogenous. If for no other reason than because most countries are racially homogenous. Why would you condone racism, subtle or otherwise, against asians? Would you condone subtle racism against other races? As for Ed Blum, I am not tracking how the fact that he was behind the Fischer challenges to affirmative action in Texas make him a white supremacist. |
Anonymous
Asians are literally 40% of the students at these top schools. I don’t know how they keep complaining |
Anonymous
DP Harvard admitted to discriminating it was part of their holistic process, the trial court found that their discrimination was within constitutionally permitted bounds of Gratz and Grutter. The question before the court was whether it was constitutionally permissible discrimination, not whether or not there was any discrimination. |
Anonymous
When you add international Asians, that number sounds right. Domestic was what…28%? I had been capped by all the Ivies at 20% a decade ago. So I would say things are becoming more meritocratic. |
Anonymous
How do you benefit if some unrelated member of your race gets into your dream school? How are you harmed if your your dream school imposes higher standards on you than anyone else because of the color of your skin? After Jackie Robinson broke the color line, the black talent started to overwhelm the white league and many teams started to get "too many" black players. So there was an uinofficial rule that you could only have 5 black players on the field. So if a black pitcher went in, a black outfielder would have to come out. The best black player not in the majors was better than the worst white players by a fair margin. There was a time when there were almost no black quarterbacks and people were justifiably salty about it despite the fact that most nfl players were black. The argument was that black players lacked leadership and other personal qualities that were important to being a quarterback. Nowadays this sounds crazy and one day your position will too. |
Anonymous
It started rising after the lawsuits started. |