What parents hope their kids get out from ivy league?

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Anonymous wrote:1. A credential. An Ivy League degree signals to the world, including future employers, clients, and business partners, that you are a valuable person.
2. Relationships. If you do it right, you get a peer group of people who are going places, and you'll draw on it throughout your life.
3. An education.

Agree with your 2, 3. About 1. Most people outside of the US only know about Harvard

They also know about Yale, Princeton, and Columbia, and maybe to a lesser degree, the others. But in the US, all Ivys represent a valuable credential.

Columbia has even been called a “degree mill” (from my East Asian friends)

Diploma mill. You should know the proper term if you’re college educated.

[Anonymous]

This is what parents hope to get out of Ivy:

People treating your life as mythology:

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2012/12/6/tealuxe-earl-grey-romance/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:1. A credential. An Ivy League degree signals to the world, including future employers, clients, and business partners, that you are a valuable person.
2. Relationships. If you do it right, you get a peer group of people who are going places, and you'll draw on it throughout your life.
3. An education.

Agree with your 2, 3. About 1. Most people outside of the US only know about Harvard

They also know about Yale, Princeton, and Columbia, and maybe to a lesser degree, the others. But in the US, all Ivys represent a valuable credential.

Columbia has even been called a “degree mill” (from my East Asian friends)

Diploma mill. You should know the proper term if you’re college educated.

Is it true?

[Anonymous]

This topic refuses to die. And it's because it's a reflection of hopes and dreams rather than reality. A lot of perfectly nice kids go to the Ivies and end up no better off than if they'd gone to College Park or UVA, albeit they did get a special four year experience.

As a pp said, the typical Ivy graduate isn't walking away with a loaded rolodex or great faculty recs. They may get a shot at a first job that if they play it well can help in careers but you'd be surprised by how many fail to capitalize on this. If they get that shot. The career centers aren't going to be filled with jobs waiting for you. There aren't huge pools of alums waiting to give you a job, most are too busy to even network.

Will say sports teams, especially lacrosse and football, take care of their people. And the rich rich kids take care of themselves. But the rest of the 90% are just getting an education and then it's up to you to figure out what to do next.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This topic refuses to die. And it's because it's a reflection of hopes and dreams rather than reality. A lot of perfectly nice kids go to the Ivies and end up no better off than if they'd gone to College Park or UVA, albeit they did get a special four year experience.

As a pp said, the typical Ivy graduate isn't walking away with a loaded rolodex or great faculty recs. They may get a shot at a first job that if they play it well can help in careers but you'd be surprised by how many fail to capitalize on this. If they get that shot. The career centers aren't going to be filled with jobs waiting for you. There aren't huge pools of alums waiting to give you a job, most are too busy to even network.

Will say sports teams, especially lacrosse and football, take care of their people. And the rich rich kids take care of themselves. But the rest of the 90% are just getting an education and then it's up to you to figure out what to do next.

I find this to be true, as a parent of an ivy student.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:1. A credential. An Ivy League degree signals to the world, including future employers, clients, and business partners, that you are a valuable person.
2. Relationships. If you do it right, you get a peer group of people who are going places, and you'll draw on it throughout your life.
3. An education.

Agree with your 2, 3. About 1. Most people outside of the US only know about Harvard

They also know about Yale, Princeton, and Columbia, and maybe to a lesser degree, the others. But in the US, all Ivys represent a valuable credential.

Not true beyond the fact that the best and brightest from all over the world apply to these schools the UK gives special work visa's to graduates of 20 US Universities, including every Ivy except Dartmouth, along with several other fantastic schools.
As a parent of a student at an Ivy who had several other great choices it was not the "name" it was the opportunities that drew him. In particular as a student interested in interdisciplinary studies across stem and humanities his school was one of the few in the country that had similar level programs in all subjects of interest. He picked it for academic reasons which as parents we understood and supported though we actually wished he would have picked a school closer to home

Why does the UK exclude Dartmouth?

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Anonymous wrote:No, OP, it’s mostly the “name.”

That name can mean a lot.

It creates job opportunities, relationship opportunities, financial opportunities.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This topic refuses to die. And it's because it's a reflection of hopes and dreams rather than reality. A lot of perfectly nice kids go to the Ivies and end up no better off than if they'd gone to College Park or UVA, albeit they did get a special four year experience.

As a pp said, the typical Ivy graduate isn't walking away with a loaded rolodex or great faculty recs. They may get a shot at a first job that if they play it well can help in careers but you'd be surprised by how many fail to capitalize on this. If they get that shot. The career centers aren't going to be filled with jobs waiting for you. There aren't huge pools of alums waiting to give you a job, most are too busy to even network.

Will say sports teams, especially lacrosse and football, take care of their people. And the rich rich kids take care of themselves. But the rest of the 90% are just getting an education and then it's up to you to figure out what to do next.

I find this to be true, as a parent of an ivy student.

Most of the research shows that Ivy+ schools have a big effect on average income, but not on typical income. So exactly what you’re saying. There’s a handful of kids, many of whom came in rich, who go on to very lucrative careers. That increases the average. But everyone else is in essentially the same place they’d be if they’d gone to UVA or UMD.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1. A credential. An Ivy League degree signals to the world, including future employers, clients, and business partners, that you are a valuable person.
2. Relationships. If you do it right, you get a peer group of people who are going places, and you'll draw on it throughout your life.
3. An education.

Agree with your 2, 3. About 1. Most people outside of the US only know about Harvard

They also know about Yale, Princeton, and Columbia, and maybe to a lesser degree, the others. But in the US, all Ivys represent a valuable credential.

Not true beyond the fact that the best and brightest from all over the world apply to these schools the UK gives special work visa's to graduates of 20 US Universities, including every Ivy except Dartmouth, along with several other fantastic schools.
As a parent of a student at an Ivy who had several other great choices it was not the "name" it was the opportunities that drew him. In particular as a student interested in interdisciplinary studies across stem and humanities his school was one of the few in the country that had similar level programs in all subjects of interest. He picked it for academic reasons which as parents we understood and supported though we actually wished he would have picked a school closer to home

Why does the UK exclude Dartmouth?

Anybody can work in the UK, you just need a job offer (friend just got one and went to none of the schools on the list). These special visas are useless. Even citizens from commonwealth countries (former colonies) can vote. UK is that liberal.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:1. A credential. An Ivy League degree signals to the world, including future employers, clients, and business partners, that you are a valuable person.
2. Relationships. If you do it right, you get a peer group of people who are going places, and you'll draw on it throughout your life.
3. An education.

Agree with your 2, 3. About 1. Most people outside of the US only know about Harvard

Everyone knows harvard, it is the flagship school of the USA but almost everyone knows Stanford and MIT as well. The rest of the ivy league except for Brown and Dartmouth are well recognized names as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This topic refuses to die. And it's because it's a reflection of hopes and dreams rather than reality. A lot of perfectly nice kids go to the Ivies and end up no better off than if they'd gone to College Park or UVA, albeit they did get a special four year experience.

As a pp said, the typical Ivy graduate isn't walking away with a loaded rolodex or great faculty recs. They may get a shot at a first job that if they play it well can help in careers but you'd be surprised by how many fail to capitalize on this. If they get that shot. The career centers aren't going to be filled with jobs waiting for you. There aren't huge pools of alums waiting to give you a job, most are too busy to even network.

Will say sports teams, especially lacrosse and football, take care of their people. And the rich rich kids take care of themselves. But the rest of the 90% are just getting an education and then it's up to you to figure out what to do next.

College admissions consulting is a huge business, at least based on what I see on social media and in non-English language communities.

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Anonymous wrote:I am curious and I have questions for families that have smart kids get admitted into Ivy league regardless of majors they choose. Parents, spending that tons of money for 4 years, would rather want them to study hard for a diploma, expose them to elite and knowledges, spend more time on networking opportunities or possibly find a future spouse over those 4 years? I am sure kids are proven to be smart and that must be something other than the "name" that is worth it for families wanting their kids going to ivy league.

Of course the name is worth it. It opens doors for JOBS. You know the thing that the result of 4 years at college qualifies someone for.

OP you can not be this dumb.

A parents sending a kid to schools like, University of SC, University of Alabama, University of Kentucky, University of Tennessee, etc...as an out of state student now that is beyond financially stupid. Instate totally fine out of state dumb as rocks.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This topic refuses to die. And it's because it's a reflection of hopes and dreams rather than reality. A lot of perfectly nice kids go to the Ivies and end up no better off than if they'd gone to College Park or UVA, albeit they did get a special four year experience.

As a pp said, the typical Ivy graduate isn't walking away with a loaded rolodex or great faculty recs. They may get a shot at a first job that if they play it well can help in careers but you'd be surprised by how many fail to capitalize on this. If they get that shot. The career centers aren't going to be filled with jobs waiting for you. There aren't huge pools of alums waiting to give you a job, most are too busy to even network.

Will say sports teams, especially lacrosse and football, take care of their people. And the rich rich kids take care of themselves. But the rest of the 90% are just getting an education and then it's up to you to figure out what to do next.

College admissions consulting is a huge business, at least based on what I see on social media and in non-English language communities.

For many immigrant families, the Ivy League has been viewed as an investment for the social capital and smart-badges—but that idea is starting to crack as more Gen Z graduates are unemployed or underemployed.

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Anonymous wrote:First, keep in mind not all parents are paying full price. My DC attends an Ivy (Brown). We pay about half full COA. We are what most people would consider affluent but not by DCUM standards (250K HHI) and have 529 savings, but not enough for all four years. We have another in college, which is a big part of the reasons we are only paying COA.

And here's the answer to the question: it's peer group, but not for marrying/networking purposes. Rather, it's peer group for learning potential. My DC is truly "brought up" by others around them. They relish being around others smarter than them, even if only perceived. They thrive in groups and by being challenged. There are lots of smart kids at our state flagship (which is where I went and this DS's sibling goes) but it's not the same environment. It's just not.

The Brown environment is good for my kid. Not every Ivy would be, though. Choosing an Ivy environment doesn't make a kid or parent a snob.

I'm a little tired of the "they're only chasing prestige" comments. It is possible that a school that happens to be an Ivy is a good environment for a kid. Otherwise, do these commenters feel they should just shut Ivys down? Please keep in mind that these (among many other schools) are places where research is done that changes lives. They are real schools, where real teaching and learning occurs. I feel like people forget that sometimes.

This. As discussed at length on DCUM, the wealthy/connected and the rest don't mix much at the Ivies.
My kid is at one and it's almost two schools in one. You're not going there from Loudoun County or even from DC and leaving with a Rolodex of BFFs from Manhattan.

It depends.

If you are very attractive
If you are very athletic
If you are very smart

Well rounded middle class kids need not apply.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand your question.

I have one and an ivy and one at an ivy plus. Each costs about the same (abt $100k). So why is whatever you’re asking ivy-directed?

Not OP but genuine question, what is an "ivy plus"? Is it something to do with that list of "public ivies"?

Originally, I think it was a library exchange that included plus Stanford, Chicago, MIT, Duke, and Johns Hopkins but has morphed to mean Ivy plus the most selective non-Ivies.