Moving overseas for High School?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It absolutely matters what kind of school they will be attending overseas, and then what schools they will be applying to when they graduate.

If it is in an American school based on US curriculum, (like a DoD school) or an international school that is accredited with an AP program or IB program, or if you work for the federal government or the military, it is very much more likely that you’re considered a US citizen and your home state may be considered “in state”

If you attend a Dutch school, or are sent overseas by a private company, it is more like you are an “international student”, regardless of your citizenship.

Definitely ask at the school you’re considering what students’ college options are like and what they’ve done in the past years with Americans applying to American colleges.

This is incorrect. As I already posted, mine went to an American school abroad. It has nothing to do with that, in state I live in you have to physically live in state 12 months prior to applying to be considered in-state, other states have different rules. A friend has been gone for 7 years and they did not lose in-state tuition. Either way, you are considered by the International AO and compared against your peers at the school. Tuition is a separate matter.

[Anonymous]

Then it’s correct. The correct answer is, it depends, ask the hs that you plan to attend and ask the admissions offices of the colleges you plan to consider.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It absolutely matters what kind of school they will be attending overseas, and then what schools they will be applying to when they graduate.

If it is in an American school based on US curriculum, (like a DoD school) or an international school that is accredited with an AP program or IB program, or if you work for the federal government or the military, it is very much more likely that you’re considered a US citizen and your home state may be considered “in state”

If you attend a Dutch school, or are sent overseas by a private company, it is more like you are an “international student”, regardless of your citizenship.

Definitely ask at the school you’re considering what students’ college options are like and what they’ve done in the past years with Americans applying to American colleges.

+1. Been there, done that as an American who attended HS in NL while my father was attached to NATO SHAPE Tech Ctr near Den Haag for several years. I was considered an in-state MD resident by UMCP and I was considered as OOS US citizen (and not as an International student) by other US universities.

Again, as others have posted upthread--an American citizen would not be considered an "international student" because that's a designation tied to citizenship. But that's not the same thing as saying that admissions officers will consider the student in the same pool as a high school student from the DMV, if that American overseas is studying at a school in a particular country. And again, it's not like thousands of American universities will have identical practices as to how admissions officers consider Americans at high school in other countries.

[Anonymous]

You will always be compared against your peers in your school, so yes, you’re considered International. Confused how anyone could think otherwise. Do you think they’d be comparing you to a randomly selected HS from a state you lived in? States vary on tuition and rules regarding that, but for admissions you’re International. Internally they may view it differently, but that is pool you’re in competing with peers from your HS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You will always be compared against your peers in your school, so yes, you’re considered International. Confused how anyone could think otherwise. Do you think they’d be comparing you to a randomly selected HS from a state you lived in? States vary on tuition and rules regarding that, but for admissions you’re International. Internally they may view it differently, but that is pool you’re in competing with peers from your HS.

I'm an American who has lived overseas, and met another American who worked at an embassy who was convinced that their children were in some separate pool of applicants of embassy children who were comparable and being reviewed by a single admissions officer at a university, because it was unfathomable that they were compared to other students from their international school overseas (i.e. the foreigner applicants to US universities from the same HS). I really don't think that's the case, because, what university has the budget for that, let alone all the universities in America, but people will believe what they want to believe.

Maybe it's true for those special DOD high schools, but there aren't that many of those either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It absolutely matters what kind of school they will be attending overseas, and then what schools they will be applying to when they graduate.

If it is in an American school based on US curriculum, (like a DoD school) or an international school that is accredited with an AP program or IB program, or if you work for the federal government or the military, it is very much more likely that you’re considered a US citizen and your home state may be considered “in state”

If you attend a Dutch school, or are sent overseas by a private company, it is more like you are an “international student”, regardless of your citizenship.

Definitely ask at the school you’re considering what students’ college options are like and what they’ve done in the past years with Americans applying to American colleges.

+1. Been there, done that as an American who attended HS in NL while my father was attached to NATO SHAPE Tech Ctr near Den Haag for several years. I was considered an in-state MD resident by UMCP and I was considered as OOS US citizen (and not as an International student) by other US universities.

Again, as others have posted upthread--an American citizen would not be considered an "international student" because that's a designation tied to citizenship. But that's not the same thing as saying that admissions officers will consider the student in the same pool as a high school student from the DMV, if that American overseas is studying at a school in a particular country. And again, it's not like thousands of American universities will have identical practices as to how admissions officers consider Americans at high school in other countries.

No that's a designation specifically tied to cost, above and beyond any citizenship. My two UK born kids grew up in the US at US high schools. They class as "International" students for the purposes of tuition and they get categorized as that for everything else, WhatsApp groups, Christmas parties, etc etc etc

[Anonymous]

^^ sorry I meant to clarify, they classify as international back in the UK where they are attending college.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^^ sorry I meant to clarify, they classify as international back in the UK where they are attending college.

I think people on this thread have been talking about the practices related to US citizen applicants living overseas applying to American universities. The UK has different practices altogether.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It absolutely matters what kind of school they will be attending overseas, and then what schools they will be applying to when they graduate.

If it is in an American school based on US curriculum, (like a DoD school) or an international school that is accredited with an AP program or IB program, or if you work for the federal government or the military, it is very much more likely that you’re considered a US citizen and your home state may be considered “in state”

If you attend a Dutch school, or are sent overseas by a private company, it is more like you are an “international student”, regardless of your citizenship.

Definitely ask at the school you’re considering what students’ college options are like and what they’ve done in the past years with Americans applying to American colleges.

+1. Been there, done that as an American who attended HS in NL while my father was attached to NATO SHAPE Tech Ctr near Den Haag for several years. I was considered an in-state MD resident by UMCP and I was considered as OOS US citizen (and not as an International student) by other US universities.

Again, as others have posted upthread--an American citizen would not be considered an "international student" because that's a designation tied to citizenship. But that's not the same thing as saying that admissions officers will consider the student in the same pool as a high school student from the DMV, if that American overseas is studying at a school in a particular country. And again, it's not like thousands of American universities will have identical practices as to how admissions officers consider Americans at high school in other countries.

Above is wrong in my experience. Was not a DoD school. UMCP assigned a Maryland in-state AO to my application, not an International AO, to handle my application. Had an online interview with the AO who made this very clear. Same was what happened for other US colleges I applied to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Then it’s correct. The correct answer is, it depends, ask the hs that you plan to attend and ask the admissions offices of the colleges you plan to consider.

+1

[Anonymous]

US military: depends on the state for in state status.

https://www.savingforcollege.com/article/state-residency-requirements-for-in-state-tuition

[Anonymous]

I think the confusion in this thread is based on the policy on admissions versus the policy on tuition (state specific).

[Anonymous]

We are at a DoD school now in NL - American kids mostly apply to their in-state option, and some do T20. Most major schools are very familiar with DoDEA and know it's curriculum/grading standards.