Do any of our high schools have Charlie Kirk Chapter requested?

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Anonymous wrote:He used Christianity as an excuse to be misogynistic e.g. telling Taylor Swift to submit to Kelce. No thanks. He talked out of both sides of his mouth with regard to homosexuality - welcome them and be kind, but they are still wrong.

There are ways to engage in both sides political debate that leave very far right regressive religious views out of it. Yes to political debate, no to Turning Point.

And racism.

It’s a hate group targeting women, POC, and LGTBQ people.

You are saying the biggest conservative student organization in the country is hate group. Do you believe half the country believes in hate?

If half the country support his views on women as subservient to men, then yes.

You are not being accurate.

He quoted the Bible, which does tell women to submit to their husbands

But you are stopping there and cutting off the rest of that Bible passage, which Charlie Kirk spoke about in length, many times over and in great depth, which is "Husbands love your wife's as Christ loved His church" loving her as you love your own body, making yourselves without stain for and with her as you become one, and be willing to sacrifice your body and life for her.

If you were being intellectually honest, or actually listened to him in full and not just edited sound bites, you would know this. He talks about the husband's role extensively. The wife is just required to be respectful. The husband must be willing to die for his wife.

If you read the entire passage of Ephesians, beyond the "submit to your husbands" phrase, you would know that the duties and obligations placed on the husband are far more extensive and specific than those placed on the wife.

"22 Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26 to make her holy, cleansing[a] her by the washing with water through the word, 27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28 In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29 After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church— 30 for we are members of his body. 31 “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.”[b] 32 This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church. 33 However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband."

Literally nothing you wrote changed my point of view.

Whose love and sacrifice is greater?

Christ's love for his chuch (all of us)?

Or our human submission and love for the church?

Without a doubt, Christ's love for His church far exceeds our love and submission to the church. We are flawed and constantly make mistakes. He loves us no matter what and sacrifices everything for us.

It is very clear through this Bible passage that what God's Word is saying and what Charlie Kirk actually preached about on this Bible passage requires a much greater sacrifice from husbands than what is required of wives, and goes far beyond the shortened sound bite that you use to discredit Charlie Kirk and common Biblical teaching.

Sounds like using the Bible to justify assigning roles; no thanks, I actually believe in freedom of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness however that works for an individual. So no thanks to my daughter participating in Turning Point. Keep religion out of politics.

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Anonymous wrote:He used Christianity as an excuse to be misogynistic e.g. telling Taylor Swift to submit to Kelce. No thanks. He talked out of both sides of his mouth with regard to homosexuality - welcome them and be kind, but they are still wrong.

There are ways to engage in both sides political debate that leave very far right regressive religious views out of it. Yes to political debate, no to Turning Point.

And racism.

It’s a hate group targeting women, POC, and LGTBQ people.

You are saying the biggest conservative student organization in the country is hate group. Do you believe half the country believes in hate?

If half the country support his views on women as subservient to men, then yes.

You are not being accurate.

He quoted the Bible, which does tell women to submit to their husbands

But you are stopping there and cutting off the rest of that Bible passage, which Charlie Kirk spoke about in length, many times over and in great depth, which is "Husbands love your wife's as Christ loved His church" loving her as you love your own body, making yourselves without stain for and with her as you become one, and be willing to sacrifice your body and life for her.

If you were being intellectually honest, or actually listened to him in full and not just edited sound bites, you would know this. He talks about the husband's role extensively. The wife is just required to be respectful. The husband must be willing to die for his wife.

If you read the entire passage of Ephesians, beyond the "submit to your husbands" phrase, you would know that the duties and obligations placed on the husband are far more extensive and specific than those placed on the wife.

"22 Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26 to make her holy, cleansing[a] her by the washing with water through the word, 27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28 In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29 After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church— 30 for we are members of his body. 31 “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.”[b] 32 This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church. 33 However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband."

Literally nothing you wrote changed my point of view.

Whose love and sacrifice is greater?

Christ's love for his chuch (all of us)?

Or our human submission and love for the church?

Without a doubt, Christ's love for His church far exceeds our love and submission to the church. We are flawed and constantly make mistakes. He loves us no matter what and sacrifices everything for us.

It is very clear through this Bible passage that what God's Word is saying and what Charlie Kirk actually preached about on this Bible passage requires a much greater sacrifice from husbands than what is required of wives, and goes far beyond the shortened sound bite that you use to discredit Charlie Kirk and common Biblical teaching.

Sounds like using the Bible to justify assigning roles; no thanks, I actually believe in freedom of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness however that works for an individual. So no thanks to my daughter participating in Turning Point. Keep religion out of politics.

You left out "Nature's God" and "endowed by our Creator"

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Anonymous wrote:He used Christianity as an excuse to be misogynistic e.g. telling Taylor Swift to submit to Kelce. No thanks. He talked out of both sides of his mouth with regard to homosexuality - welcome them and be kind, but they are still wrong.

There are ways to engage in both sides political debate that leave very far right regressive religious views out of it. Yes to political debate, no to Turning Point.

And racism.

It’s a hate group targeting women, POC, and LGTBQ people.

You are saying the biggest conservative student organization in the country is hate group. Do you believe half the country believes in hate?

If half the country support his views on women as subservient to men, then yes.

You are not being accurate.

He quoted the Bible, which does tell women to submit to their husbands

But you are stopping there and cutting off the rest of that Bible passage, which Charlie Kirk spoke about in length, many times over and in great depth, which is "Husbands love your wife's as Christ loved His church" loving her as you love your own body, making yourselves without stain for and with her as you become one, and be willing to sacrifice your body and life for her.

If you were being intellectually honest, or actually listened to him in full and not just edited sound bites, you would know this. He talks about the husband's role extensively. The wife is just required to be respectful. The husband must be willing to die for his wife.

If you read the entire passage of Ephesians, beyond the "submit to your husbands" phrase, you would know that the duties and obligations placed on the husband are far more extensive and specific than those placed on the wife.

"22 Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26 to make her holy, cleansing[a] her by the washing with water through the word, 27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28 In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29 After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church— 30 for we are members of his body. 31 “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.”[b] 32 This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church. 33 However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband."

Literally nothing you wrote changed my point of view.

Whose love and sacrifice is greater?

Christ's love for his chuch (all of us)?

Or our human submission and love for the church?

Without a doubt, Christ's love for His church far exceeds our love and submission to the church. We are flawed and constantly make mistakes. He loves us no matter what and sacrifices everything for us.

It is very clear through this Bible passage that what God's Word is saying and what Charlie Kirk actually preached about on this Bible passage requires a much greater sacrifice from husbands than what is required of wives, and goes far beyond the shortened sound bite that you use to discredit Charlie Kirk and common Biblical teaching.

Sounds like using the Bible to justify assigning roles; no thanks, I actually believe in freedom of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness however that works for an individual. So no thanks to my daughter participating in Turning Point. Keep religion out of politics.

My kids would likely not join, but I have no objection to having a chapter there. As for the passages, I think the actions speak louder than words and it appears they had a good marriage.
I sure like it better than men walking around in shorts on a hot day while the wife is covered from head to toe. But, that is their choice.

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Anonymous wrote:He used Christianity as an excuse to be misogynistic e.g. telling Taylor Swift to submit to Kelce. No thanks. He talked out of both sides of his mouth with regard to homosexuality - welcome them and be kind, but they are still wrong.

There are ways to engage in both sides political debate that leave very far right regressive religious views out of it. Yes to political debate, no to Turning Point.

And racism.

It’s a hate group targeting women, POC, and LGTBQ people.

You are saying the biggest conservative student organization in the country is hate group. Do you believe half the country believes in hate?

If half the country support his views on women as subservient to men, then yes.

You are not being accurate.

He quoted the Bible, which does tell women to submit to their husbands

But you are stopping there and cutting off the rest of that Bible passage, which Charlie Kirk spoke about in length, many times over and in great depth, which is "Husbands love your wife's as Christ loved His church" loving her as you love your own body, making yourselves without stain for and with her as you become one, and be willing to sacrifice your body and life for her.

If you were being intellectually honest, or actually listened to him in full and not just edited sound bites, you would know this. He talks about the husband's role extensively. The wife is just required to be respectful. The husband must be willing to die for his wife.

If you read the entire passage of Ephesians, beyond the "submit to your husbands" phrase, you would know that the duties and obligations placed on the husband are far more extensive and specific than those placed on the wife.

"22 Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26 to make her holy, cleansing[a] her by the washing with water through the word, 27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28 In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29 After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church— 30 for we are members of his body. 31 “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.”[b] 32 This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church. 33 However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband."

Literally nothing you wrote changed my point of view.

Whose love and sacrifice is greater?

Christ's love for his chuch (all of us)?

Or our human submission and love for the church?

Without a doubt, Christ's love for His church far exceeds our love and submission to the church. We are flawed and constantly make mistakes. He loves us no matter what and sacrifices everything for us.

It is very clear through this Bible passage that what God's Word is saying and what Charlie Kirk actually preached about on this Bible passage requires a much greater sacrifice from husbands than what is required of wives, and goes far beyond the shortened sound bite that you use to discredit Charlie Kirk and common Biblical teaching.

Sounds like using the Bible to justify assigning roles; no thanks, I actually believe in freedom of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness however that works for an individual. So no thanks to my daughter participating in Turning Point. Keep religion out of politics.

You left out "Nature's God" and "endowed by our Creator"

I am atheist and believe people can choose their religion whether it is Christianity, Buddhism, or being nonreligious. Is that allowed in your America or are you going to impinge on my personal freedom of religion or lack thereof?

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Anonymous wrote:I'd be concerned with teachers knocking down the grades for kids joining such a club. Certainly would not be popular with the staff. Kids are probably better keeping their heads down until they get out of FCPS.

I have no idea what clubs kids are in unless they create club hoodies or chat to me about them. I don’t even know what sports they play or who is in the musical until they wear their jerseys or ask to hang posters.

The idea that I would mark down a kid’s math test because of a club is insulting.

I've been in the schools and seen teachers dressed head to toe in rainbows. I've heard the stories of teachers in tears in front of their students following elections that didn't go their way. It's insulting that you think we don't know that certain teachers would hold kid's political opinions against them.

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Anonymous wrote:I'd be concerned with teachers knocking down the grades for kids joining such a club. Certainly would not be popular with the staff. Kids are probably better keeping their heads down until they get out of FCPS.

I have no idea what clubs kids are in unless they create club hoodies or chat to me about them. I don’t even know what sports they play or who is in the musical until they wear their jerseys or ask to hang posters.

The idea that I would mark down a kid’s math test because of a club is insulting.

I've been in the schools and seen teachers dressed head to toe in rainbows. I've heard the stories of teachers in tears in front of their students following elections that didn't go their way. It's insulting that you think we don't know that certain teachers would hold kid's political opinions against them.

Huh? None of this is an example of a teacher holding a kid's political views against them, only your paranoia about it.

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Anonymous wrote:It will look great on your college application to Liberty or Hillsdale. Otherwise, it’s a waste of time.

By lumping these two together as if they were the same type of school, you reveal your ignorance.

They are both far, far right and among the few that would view membership in a HS Turning Point chapter favorably. It’s like “Young White Supremacist Bigot Society.”

wow. Your lies, hate, and extremism are breathtaking.

Turning Point is simply the counterpart to the young democrats; nothing more. And Charlie advocated talking things out instead of violence.

Et tu, Brute ?

Sorry, enough time has passed that most of us will agree Kirk should not be canonized.

He was silver-tongued but basically the modern-day equivalent of those who stopped Reconstruction in its tracks and ushered in the Jim Crow era.

Those were democrats.

Democrats also founded the KKK

That was 150 years ago. Their modern-day equivalents are MAGA Republicans.

There was segregation in this area as recently as 60 years ago, supported by Democrats. The Arlington sign lady grew up in an era when Democrats believed in Whites Only.

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Anonymous wrote:Gross. Hate groups should not be permitted.

Like groups that shoot people and throw rocks at government agents?

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Anonymous wrote:Gross. Hate groups should not be permitted.

Like groups that shoot people and throw rocks at government agents?

From the Cato institute, data from 2020 onward but they also have a longer term trend with the same pattern:

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Anonymous wrote:He used Christianity as an excuse to be misogynistic e.g. telling Taylor Swift to submit to Kelce. No thanks. He talked out of both sides of his mouth with regard to homosexuality - welcome them and be kind, but they are still wrong.

There are ways to engage in both sides political debate that leave very far right regressive religious views out of it. Yes to political debate, no to Turning Point.

And racism.

It’s a hate group targeting women, POC, and LGTBQ people.

You are saying the biggest conservative student organization in the country is hate group. Do you believe half the country believes in hate?

If half the country support his views on women as subservient to men, then yes.

You are not being accurate.

He quoted the Bible, which does tell women to submit to their husbands

But you are stopping there and cutting off the rest of that Bible passage, which Charlie Kirk spoke about in length, many times over and in great depth, which is "Husbands love your wife's as Christ loved His church" loving her as you love your own body, making yourselves without stain for and with her as you become one, and be willing to sacrifice your body and life for her.

If you were being intellectually honest, or actually listened to him in full and not just edited sound bites, you would know this. He talks about the husband's role extensively. The wife is just required to be respectful. The husband must be willing to die for his wife.

If you read the entire passage of Ephesians, beyond the "submit to your husbands" phrase, you would know that the duties and obligations placed on the husband are far more extensive and specific than those placed on the wife.

"22 Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26 to make her holy, cleansing[a] her by the washing with water through the word, 27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28 In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29 After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church— 30 for we are members of his body. 31 “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.”[b] 32 This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church. 33 However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband."

Literally nothing you wrote changed my point of view.

Whose love and sacrifice is greater?

Christ's love for his chuch (all of us)?

Or our human submission and love for the church?

Without a doubt, Christ's love for His church far exceeds our love and submission to the church. We are flawed and constantly make mistakes. He loves us no matter what and sacrifices everything for us.

It is very clear through this Bible passage that what God's Word is saying and what Charlie Kirk actually preached about on this Bible passage requires a much greater sacrifice from husbands than what is required of wives, and goes far beyond the shortened sound bite that you use to discredit Charlie Kirk and common Biblical teaching.

Sounds like using the Bible to justify assigning roles; no thanks, I actually believe in freedom of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness however that works for an individual. So no thanks to my daughter participating in Turning Point. Keep religion out of politics.

You left out "Nature's God" and "endowed by our Creator"

I am atheist and believe people can choose their religion whether it is Christianity, Buddhism, or being nonreligious. Is that allowed in your America or are you going to impinge on my personal freedom of religion or lack thereof?

Please, follow your faith tradition.

But don't misrepresent what people of faith believe and state, like that other poster, especially when the evidence is right there in black and white.

Whether religion, a teacher's in class comments, politics or heck, gossip, be intellectually honest and present the whole statement, not just some snippet cropped and edited to slander someone like most of the posts on this thread against Charlie Kirk.

The Bible is free online. His videos in full are free online. Argue against what those things say, but be honest and accurate, and don't try to shut others down with juvenile insults and aggressive attacks based on edited clips and a few words that leave out the entire passage and which completely change the meaning through omission.

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Anonymous wrote:It will look great on your college application to Liberty or Hillsdale. Otherwise, it’s a waste of time.

By lumping these two together as if they were the same type of school, you reveal your ignorance.

They are both far, far right and among the few that would view membership in a HS Turning Point chapter favorably. It’s like “Young White Supremacist Bigot Society.”

wow. Your lies, hate, and extremism are breathtaking.

Turning Point is simply the counterpart to the young democrats; nothing more. And Charlie advocated talking things out instead of violence.

Et tu, Brute ?

Sorry, enough time has passed that most of us will agree Kirk should not be canonized.

He was silver-tongued but basically the modern-day equivalent of those who stopped Reconstruction in its tracks and ushered in the Jim Crow era.

Those were democrats.

Democrats also founded the KKK

That was 150 years ago. Their modern-day equivalents are MAGA Republicans. [/quote]

There was segregation in this area as recently as 60 years ago, supported by Democrats. The Arlington sign lady grew up in an era when Democrats believed in Whites Only.

You really do not know much about the KKK if you think it is the equivalent of modern day Republicans.

And, FWIW, did you know that a MAGA Republican played a huge role in eliminating the KKK from Alabama?

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Anonymous wrote:It will look great on your college application to Liberty or Hillsdale. Otherwise, it’s a waste of time.

By lumping these two together as if they were the same type of school, you reveal your ignorance.

They are both far, far right and among the few that would view membership in a HS Turning Point chapter favorably. It’s like “Young White Supremacist Bigot Society.”

wow. Your lies, hate, and extremism are breathtaking.

Turning Point is simply the counterpart to the young democrats; nothing more. And Charlie advocated talking things out instead of violence.

Et tu, Brute ?

Sorry, enough time has passed that most of us will agree Kirk should not be canonized.



He was silver-tongued but basically the modern-day equivalent of those who stopped Reconstruction in its tracks and ushered in the Jim Crow era.

Those were democrats.

Democrats also founded the KKK

That was 150 years ago. Their modern-day equivalents are MAGA Republicans.

There was segregation in this area as recently as 60 years ago, supported by Democrats. The Arlington sign lady grew up in an era when Democrats believed in Whites Only.

Yes, Johnson's signing of civil right legislation in 1964 - which Charlie Kirk said was a bad idea - was another pivotal event in flipping white supremacists to the GOP. Of course MAGA Republicanism is a more extreme and repulsive development.

In any event, if there are Young Democrats clubs there can be a Young Republican or Turning Point club, but your kid will look like a MAGA tool if they join.

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Anonymous wrote:It will look great on your college application to Liberty or Hillsdale. Otherwise, it’s a waste of time.

By lumping these two together as if they were the same type of school, you reveal your ignorance.

They are both far, far right and among the few that would view membership in a HS Turning Point chapter favorably. It’s like “Young White Supremacist Bigot Society.”

wow. Your lies, hate, and extremism are breathtaking.

Turning Point is simply the counterpart to the young democrats; nothing more. And Charlie advocated talking things out instead of violence.

Et tu, Brute ?

Sorry, enough time has passed that most of us will agree Kirk should not be canonized.



He was silver-tongued but basically the modern-day equivalent of those who stopped Reconstruction in its tracks and ushered in the Jim Crow era.

Those were democrats.

Democrats also founded the KKK

That was 150 years ago. Their modern-day equivalents are MAGA Republicans.

There was segregation in this area as recently as 60 years ago, supported by Democrats. The Arlington sign lady grew up in an era when Democrats believed in Whites Only.

Yes, Johnson's signing of civil right legislation in 1964 - which Charlie Kirk said was a bad idea - was another pivotal event in flipping white supremacists to the GOP. Of course MAGA Republicanism is a more extreme and repulsive development.

In any event, if there are Young Democrats clubs there can be a Young Republican or Turning Point club, but your kid will look like a MAGA tool if they join.

Suggest you go listen to WHY he said it was a bad idea. I suspect you are just regurgitating excerpts.

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Anonymous wrote:He used Christianity as an excuse to be misogynistic e.g. telling Taylor Swift to submit to Kelce. No thanks. He talked out of both sides of his mouth with regard to homosexuality - welcome them and be kind, but they are still wrong.

There are ways to engage in both sides political debate that leave very far right regressive religious views out of it. Yes to political debate, no to Turning Point.

And racism.

It’s a hate group targeting women, POC, and LGTBQ people.

You are saying the biggest conservative student organization in the country is hate group. Do you believe half the country believes in hate?

If half the country support his views on women as subservient to men, then yes.

You are not being accurate.

He quoted the Bible, which does tell women to submit to their husbands

But you are stopping there and cutting off the rest of that Bible passage, which Charlie Kirk spoke about in length, many times over and in great depth, which is "Husbands love your wife's as Christ loved His church" loving her as you love your own body, making yourselves without stain for and with her as you become one, and be willing to sacrifice your body and life for her.

If you were being intellectually honest, or actually listened to him in full and not just edited sound bites, you would know this. He talks about the husband's role extensively. The wife is just required to be respectful. The husband must be willing to die for his wife.

If you read the entire passage of Ephesians, beyond the "submit to your husbands" phrase, you would know that the duties and obligations placed on the husband are far more extensive and specific than those placed on the wife.

"22 Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26 to make her holy, cleansing[a] her by the washing with water through the word, 27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28 In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29 After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church— 30 for we are members of his body. 31 “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.”[b] 32 This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church. 33 However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband."

Literally nothing you wrote changed my point of view.

Whose love and sacrifice is greater?

Christ's love for his chuch (all of us)?

Or our human submission and love for the church?

Without a doubt, Christ's love for His church far exceeds our love and submission to the church. We are flawed and constantly make mistakes. He loves us no matter what and sacrifices everything for us.

It is very clear through this Bible passage that what God's Word is saying and what Charlie Kirk actually preached about on this Bible passage requires a much greater sacrifice from husbands than what is required of wives, and goes far beyond the shortened sound bite that you use to discredit Charlie Kirk and common Biblical teaching.

Sounds like using the Bible to justify assigning roles; no thanks, I actually believe in freedom of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness however that works for an individual. So no thanks to my daughter participating in Turning Point. Keep religion out of politics.

You left out "Nature's God" and "endowed by our Creator"

I am atheist and believe people can choose their religion whether it is Christianity, Buddhism, or being nonreligious. Is that allowed in your America or are you going to impinge on my personal freedom of religion or lack thereof?

Please, follow your faith tradition.

But don't misrepresent what people of faith believe and state, like that other poster, especially when the evidence is right there in black and white.

Whether religion, a teacher's in class comments, politics or heck, gossip, be intellectually honest and present the whole statement, not just some snippet cropped and edited to slander someone like most of the posts on this thread against Charlie Kirk.

The Bible is free online. His videos in full are free online. Argue against what those things say, but be honest and accurate, and don't try to shut others down with juvenile insults and aggressive attacks based on edited clips and a few words that leave out the entire passage and which completely change the meaning through omission.

None of the full clips make his views any less misogynistic in my eyes. I am a married woman and I do not "submit" to my husband and would never marry a man who talked in such a way.

And I grew up in a Christian family so quite familiar with the Biblical teaching. No thanks, not for my daughter.

And sidenote, generally concerning that the Republican party is leaning into these kinds of views when you take into account that Hegseth tweeted support of church leaders discussing repealing the 19th. Gross.

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Anonymous wrote:It will look great on your college application to Liberty or Hillsdale. Otherwise, it’s a waste of time.

By lumping these two together as if they were the same type of school, you reveal your ignorance.

They are both far, far right and among the few that would view membership in a HS Turning Point chapter favorably. It’s like “Young White Supremacist Bigot Society.”

wow. Your lies, hate, and extremism are breathtaking.

Turning Point is simply the counterpart to the young democrats; nothing more. And Charlie advocated talking things out instead of violence.

Et tu, Brute ?

Not PP you were responding to, but I don't agree with either of you. The Young Republicans would be the counterpart to the Young Democrats. Turning Point USA has a narrower ideology than merely being Republican. It's a specific traditionalist Christian form of conservatism. Not every Republican is aligned with those values.