First-time college enrollment is falling fast; down more than 5% last year

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Pricing out the donut hole family. Got it. It just sucks to be us in every way, shape, and form.

Not poor enough to get FA, but not rich enough to front $30k every year for 4 yrs for in state tuition, and feeling bummed about the frugality and tons of sacrifices over the decades to just to fund 529s, retirement, and general monthly expenses.

You should be immensely grateful to not be poor.

Screw you. You don't get to tell people how to feel. When others are getting FA to go for free and you're footing $30k/year after scrimping and saving for 20 years to be able to fund a 529. But "poof" others just get the same education for free. It's not ok.

Pretty sure you wouldn’t want to be poor, even if it meant your kid could go to college for free. Grow up.

DP

This is not how you promote empathy in others.

I was on full financial aid in college and for me, free college wasn't free. You might think nothing of it but if your family is right on money, the lost income during 4 years of college is a hardship to your parents and younger siblings.

And if free college pisses you off, wait until you find out about food stamps and Medicaid. I probably got a lot more free food and medical care than free tuition.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

My question is this:

What does this mean for college admissions for next year?

Please note:
Community college enrollment is way up.
This is fabulous news!

Enough with scamming kids.

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The American Dream is over. America is no longer a meritocracy where through hard work you can pull yourself up by your bootstraps and make a future for you and your family.

America has never been a meritocracy. If you were white, male, rich, you started off way ahead of others.

Then how did Asian women end up ahead of white men in terms of income? And Asian men are higher than that.

The current working generation of Asians had fairly poor parents.

Is it possible that it's still a meritocracy (more or less) but you just don't have as much merit as you think?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The American Dream is over. America is no longer a meritocracy where through hard work you can pull yourself up by your bootstraps and make a future for you and your family.

America has never been a meritocracy. If you were white, male, rich, you started off way ahead of others.

Then how did Asian women end up ahead of white men in terms of income? And Asian men are higher than that.

The current working generation of Asians had fairly poor parents.

Is it possible that it's still a meritocracy (more or less) but you just don't have as much merit as you think?

I'm white, and if this "starting out way ahead because I'm white" business is true, I am still trying to figure out how Barack Obama, Tyler Perry, Oprah Winfrey, Michael Jordan and countless other black millionaires/billionaires passed me so easily??? Hmmm - drawing a blank...unless perhaps...they earned it (meritocracy)?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The American Dream is over. America is no longer a meritocracy where through hard work you can pull yourself up by your bootstraps and make a future for you and your family.

America has never been a meritocracy. If you were white, male, rich, you started off way ahead of others.

Then how did Asian women end up ahead of white men in terms of income? And Asian men are higher than that.

The current working generation of Asians had fairly poor parents.

Is it possible that it's still a meritocracy (more or less) but you just don't have as much merit as you think?

I'm white, and if this "starting out way ahead because I'm white" business is true, I am still trying to figure out how Barack Obama, Tyler Perry, Oprah Winfrey, Michael Jordan and countless other black millionaires/billionaires passed me so easily??? Hmmm - drawing a blank...unless perhaps...they earned it (meritocracy)?

Oh wow, haven’t seen this argument since back when people thought we solved racism with Obama’s presidency. Including Michael Jordan, an athlete, is pretty weird.

Denying systemic racist factors that do exist because there are people who succeed is weirder.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The American Dream is over. America is no longer a meritocracy where through hard work you can pull yourself up by your bootstraps and make a future for you and your family.

America has never been a meritocracy. If you were white, male, rich, you started off way ahead of others.

Then how did Asian women end up ahead of white men in terms of income? And Asian men are higher than that.

The current working generation of Asians had fairly poor parents.

Is it possible that it's still a meritocracy (more or less) but you just don't have as much merit as you think?

Pretty wrong. Many came from upper middle class or wealthy Chinese and Indian families.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The American Dream is over. America is no longer a meritocracy where through hard work you can pull yourself up by your bootstraps and make a future for you and your family.

America has never been a meritocracy. If you were white, male, rich, you started off way ahead of others.

Then how did Asian women end up ahead of white men in terms of income? And Asian men are higher than that.

The current working generation of Asians had fairly poor parents.

Is it possible that it's still a meritocracy (more or less) but you just don't have as much merit as you think?

Pretty wrong. Many came from upper middle class or wealthy Chinese and Indian families.

There are also many children of Nigerian and Caribbean island families who do very well in this country, in addition to Asian kids. And there are gazillions of white kids who are stuck in generational poverty. The systemic racism charge grows more tired with each passing year. It's not 1925.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The American Dream is over. America is no longer a meritocracy where through hard work you can pull yourself up by your bootstraps and make a future for you and your family.

America has never been a meritocracy. If you were white, male, rich, you started off way ahead of others.

Then how did Asian women end up ahead of white men in terms of income? And Asian men are higher than that.

The current working generation of Asians had fairly poor parents.

Is it possible that it's still a meritocracy (more or less) but you just don't have as much merit as you think?

Pretty wrong. Many came from upper middle class or wealthy Chinese and Indian families.

There are also many children of Nigerian and Caribbean island families who do very well in this country, in addition to Asian kids. And there are gazillions of white kids who are stuck in generational poverty. The systemic racism charge grows more tired with each passing year. It's not 1925.

Your point? Those Nigerian and Caribbean families are also pretty wealthy or coming from privileged households- that’s how our immigration system works. We don’t bring in random immigrants who aren’t going to succeed in our country; and when we do, we deport them and call them terrible things (looking at the Haitian community…)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pricing out the donut hole family. Got it. It just sucks to be us in every way, shape, and form.

Not poor enough to get FA, but not rich enough to front $30k every year for 4 yrs for in state tuition, and feeling bummed about the frugality and tons of sacrifices over the decades to just to fund 529s, retirement, and general monthly expenses.

You should be immensely grateful to not be poor.

Screw you. You don't get to tell people how to feel. When others are getting FA to go for free and you're footing $30k/year after scrimping and saving for 20 years to be able to fund a 529. But "poof" others just get the same education for free. It's not ok.

But they grew up poorer than poor, standing in lines at food banks, never having a new bike, never going on vacation or seeing the ocean, barely having low quality clothes that fit, etc. They need some help to get through college

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The American Dream is over. America is no longer a meritocracy where through hard work you can pull yourself up by your bootstraps and make a future for you and your family.

America has never been a meritocracy. If you were white, male, rich, you started off way ahead of others.

Then how did Asian women end up ahead of white men in terms of income? And Asian men are higher than that.

The current working generation of Asians had fairly poor parents.

Is it possible that it's still a meritocracy (more or less) but you just don't have as much merit as you think?

Pretty wrong. Many came from upper middle class or wealthy Chinese and Indian families.

Affluent Asian immigrants is a very recent phenomenon. The average age of the work force is about 42. Most 42 year old Asians are immigrants And they grew up poor.

If you thought I was saying that ALL Asians grew up poor then I don't know what to say to that.

[Anonymous]

It really isn’t that recent. Both japan and china saw their meteoric rise about 50 years ago, and they have a ton of upper class citizens who’ve come over since. Most immigrants coming over from asia are not poor

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The American Dream is over. America is no longer a meritocracy where through hard work you can pull yourself up by your bootstraps and make a future for you and your family.

America has never been a meritocracy. If you were white, male, rich, you started off way ahead of others.

Then how did Asian women end up ahead of white men in terms of income? And Asian men are higher than that.

The current working generation of Asians had fairly poor parents.

Is it possible that it's still a meritocracy (more or less) but you just don't have as much merit as you think?

Pretty wrong. Many came from upper middle class or wealthy Chinese and Indian families.

Affluent Asian immigrants is a very recent phenomenon. The average age of the work force is about 42. Most 42 year old Asians are immigrants And they grew up poor.

If you thought I was saying that ALL Asians grew up poor then I don't know what to say to that.

Do you have evidence for this or is it feeling? Last I knew Asian immigrants and there children are overall better educated and more affluent than the domestic population which makes sense base on our immigration system.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

My question is this:

What does this mean for college admissions for next year?

Please note:
Community college enrollment is way up.
This is fabulous news!

Enough with scamming kids.

+ 1

The "community college enrollment is way up" statistics is dubious.

Are all the HS kids enrolled in DE classes counted in that statistic? Most likely.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The American Dream is over. America is no longer a meritocracy where through hard work you can pull yourself up by your bootstraps and make a future for you and your family.

America has never been a meritocracy. If you were white, male, rich, you started off way ahead of others.

Then how did Asian women end up ahead of white men in terms of income? And Asian men are higher than that.

The current working generation of Asians had fairly poor parents.

Is it possible that it's still a meritocracy (more or less) but you just don't have as much merit as you think?

Pretty wrong. Many came from upper middle class or wealthy Chinese and Indian families.

Affluent Asian immigrants is a very recent phenomenon. The average age of the work force is about 42. Most 42 year old Asians are immigrants And they grew up poor.

If you thought I was saying that ALL Asians grew up poor then I don't know what to say to that.

Do you have evidence for this or is it feeling? Last I knew Asian immigrants and there children are overall better educated and more affluent than the domestic population which makes sense base on our immigration system.

Today that is true but it wasn't true 25 years ago.

Asians couldn't naturalize until the 1950's. They couldn't immigrate in significant number until the late 60's. Most Asians today are immigrants.

Aside from Indian h1b visa immigrants, most Asian immigrants were not affluent. They become affluent, hence the comment about meritocracy. And frankly most of the h1b visa Indians aren't rich when they get here but probably earn a decent income from day 1.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The American Dream is over. America is no longer a meritocracy where through hard work you can pull yourself up by your bootstraps and make a future for you and your family.

America has never been a meritocracy. If you were white, male, rich, you started off way ahead of others.

Then how did Asian women end up ahead of white men in terms of income? And Asian men are higher than that.

The current working generation of Asians had fairly poor parents.

Is it possible that it's still a meritocracy (more or less) but you just don't have as much merit as you think?

Pretty wrong. Many came from upper middle class or wealthy Chinese and Indian families.

Affluent Asian immigrants is a very recent phenomenon. The average age of the work force is about 42. Most 42 year old Asians are immigrants And they grew up poor.

If you thought I was saying that ALL Asians grew up poor then I don't know what to say to that.

Do you have evidence for this or is it feeling? Last I knew Asian immigrants and there children are overall better educated and more affluent than the domestic population which makes sense base on our immigration system.

Today that is true but it wasn't true 25 years ago.

Asians couldn't naturalize until the 1950's. They couldn't immigrate in significant number until the late 60's. Most Asians today are immigrants.

Aside from Indian h1b visa immigrants, most Asian immigrants were not affluent. They become affluent, hence the comment about meritocracy. And frankly most of the h1b visa Indians aren't rich when they get here but probably earn a decent income from day 1.

It is true for the last 50 years and it is pretty easy to look up.
Higher educational attainment as a group than the American population (54% to 36%)
Higher income attainment as a group than the American population ($106K to $76K)
Lower unemployment as a group than the American population
Higher level of workforce participation as a group than the American population.

There are some disparities among ethnicities but overall the Asian immigrant population over the past 50 years is better educated and more affluent.