Why don’t a lot of SN schools take autistic kids?

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Anonymous wrote:Which private schools may be able to cater to students with autism with above-average or strong academic capabilities but with social anxiety?

We are going to The New School of Nova with this profile. Very welcoming.

Nora is also good with that profile.

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Anonymous wrote:I think not knowing the kid there’s too much variability in the diagnosis to know how it really plays out socially or in the classroom. And they don’t have the resources so they just say they don’t take ASD students. I feel for these parents though because a lot more schools are willing to deal with/ adhd, anxiety etc.

By middle and high school this isn’t true anymore - the kids behavioral needs are pretty well established. LAB especially has zero justification for refusing to admit kids with autism and should be subject to some kind of investigation about it.

And of course the flip side is that many kids on the spectrum have high IQs and no language impairment, so many of the so-called SN schools would be academically inappropriate. People don’t want to say this too loudly, but private pay SN schools are often for rich families who are disappointed that their children are not achieving academically. So no, they do not want high IQs but socially awkward kids on the spectrum taking away from the environment they are trying to create.

You are suggesting an investigation into a private school for refusing to accept ASD? That is ridiculous. It’s private they can pick and choose - that’s how those schools work. And until they have unfilled seats they aren’t accepting ASD no matter how mad it makes people

Yep, 100%. It is textbook disability discrimination to have a blanket refusal to accept a certain diagnosis without looking at the kid individually. Particularly with a diagnosis like ASD which is so heterogeneous.

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Anonymous wrote:I think not knowing the kid there’s too much variability in the diagnosis to know how it really plays out socially or in the classroom. And they don’t have the resources so they just say they don’t take ASD students. I feel for these parents though because a lot more schools are willing to deal with/ adhd, anxiety etc.

By middle and high school this isn’t true anymore - the kids behavioral needs are pretty well established. LAB especially has zero justification for refusing to admit kids with autism and should be subject to some kind of investigation about it.

And of course the flip side is that many kids on the spectrum have high IQs and no language impairment, so many of the so-called SN schools would be academically inappropriate. People don’t want to say this too loudly, but private pay SN schools are often for rich families who are disappointed that their children are not achieving academically. So no, they do not want high IQs but socially awkward kids on the spectrum taking away from the environment they are trying to create.

SCD would likely be a more accurate diagnosis for a child with that profile.

SCD is a garbage diagnosis that nobody actually uses. and FWIW you’re wrong about it anyway. SCD is not high functioning autism. It is social communication difficulties without repetitive behaviors. My DS has a high IQ and increasingly improving social skills, but definitely has the tell-tale repetitive behaviors of autism (stims, special interests).

I was referring to your previous post about a child, in general, with high IQ that just lacks social skills. For that type of child SCD would be something to consider. I not referring specifically to your child.

But you have it totally wrong. SCD is not autism lite. SCD is characterized by social skills deficits but no repetitive behaviors.

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Anonymous wrote:I think not knowing the kid there’s too much variability in the diagnosis to know how it really plays out socially or in the classroom. And they don’t have the resources so they just say they don’t take ASD students. I feel for these parents though because a lot more schools are willing to deal with/ adhd, anxiety etc.

By middle and high school this isn’t true anymore - the kids behavioral needs are pretty well established. LAB especially has zero justification for refusing to admit kids with autism and should be subject to some kind of investigation about it.

And of course the flip side is that many kids on the spectrum have high IQs and no language impairment, so many of the so-called SN schools would be academically inappropriate. People don’t want to say this too loudly, but private pay SN schools are often for rich families who are disappointed that their children are not achieving academically. So no, they do not want high IQs but socially awkward kids on the spectrum taking away from the environment they are trying to create.

You are suggesting an investigation into a private school for refusing to accept ASD? That is ridiculous. It’s private they can pick and choose - that’s how those schools work. And until they have unfilled seats they aren’t accepting ASD no matter how mad it makes people

Yep, 100%. It is textbook disability discrimination to have a blanket refusal to accept a certain diagnosis without looking at the kid individually. Particularly with a diagnosis like ASD which is so heterogeneous.

This is idiotic, good luck with that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think not knowing the kid there’s too much variability in the diagnosis to know how it really plays out socially or in the classroom. And they don’t have the resources so they just say they don’t take ASD students. I feel for these parents though because a lot more schools are willing to deal with/ adhd, anxiety etc.

By middle and high school this isn’t true anymore - the kids behavioral needs are pretty well established. LAB especially has zero justification for refusing to admit kids with autism and should be subject to some kind of investigation about it.

And of course the flip side is that many kids on the spectrum have high IQs and no language impairment, so many of the so-called SN schools would be academically inappropriate. People don’t want to say this too loudly, but private pay SN schools are often for rich families who are disappointed that their children are not achieving academically. So no, they do not want high IQs but socially awkward kids on the spectrum taking away from the environment they are trying to create.

You are suggesting an investigation into a private school for refusing to accept ASD? That is ridiculous. It’s private they can pick and choose - that’s how those schools work. And until they have unfilled seats they aren’t accepting ASD no matter how mad it makes people

Yep, 100%. It is textbook disability discrimination to have a blanket refusal to accept a certain diagnosis without looking at the kid individually. Particularly with a diagnosis like ASD which is so heterogeneous.

I'm curious. Those parents who are using their kids high IQ's as reasons to accept them. Would you consider it discrimination if a school refused to accept kids with an ID diagnosis?

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Anonymous wrote:I think not knowing the kid there’s too much variability in the diagnosis to know how it really plays out socially or in the classroom. And they don’t have the resources so they just say they don’t take ASD students. I feel for these parents though because a lot more schools are willing to deal with/ adhd, anxiety etc.

By middle and high school this isn’t true anymore - the kids behavioral needs are pretty well established. LAB especially has zero justification for refusing to admit kids with autism and should be subject to some kind of investigation about it.

And of course the flip side is that many kids on the spectrum have high IQs and no language impairment, so many of the so-called SN schools would be academically inappropriate. People don’t want to say this too loudly, but private pay SN schools are often for rich families who are disappointed that their children are not achieving academically. So no, they do not want high IQs but socially awkward kids on the spectrum taking away from the environment they are trying to create.

You are suggesting an investigation into a private school for refusing to accept ASD? That is ridiculous. It’s private they can pick and choose - that’s how those schools work. And until they have unfilled seats they aren’t accepting ASD no matter how mad it makes people

Yep, 100%. It is textbook disability discrimination to have a blanket refusal to accept a certain diagnosis without looking at the kid individually. Particularly with a diagnosis like ASD which is so heterogeneous.

I'm curious. Those parents who are using their kids high IQ's as reasons to accept them. Would you consider it discrimination if a school refused to accept kids with an ID diagnosis?

DP but I bet they have no problem with that. It’s more about their kids aren’t those kids type thing.

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Anonymous wrote:I think not knowing the kid there’s too much variability in the diagnosis to know how it really plays out socially or in the classroom. And they don’t have the resources so they just say they don’t take ASD students. I feel for these parents though because a lot more schools are willing to deal with/ adhd, anxiety etc.

By middle and high school this isn’t true anymore - the kids behavioral needs are pretty well established. LAB especially has zero justification for refusing to admit kids with autism and should be subject to some kind of investigation about it.

And of course the flip side is that many kids on the spectrum have high IQs and no language impairment, so many of the so-called SN schools would be academically inappropriate. People don’t want to say this too loudly, but private pay SN schools are often for rich families who are disappointed that their children are not achieving academically. So no, they do not want high IQs but socially awkward kids on the spectrum taking away from the environment they are trying to create.

You are suggesting an investigation into a private school for refusing to accept ASD? That is ridiculous. It’s private they can pick and choose - that’s how those schools work. And until they have unfilled seats they aren’t accepting ASD no matter how mad it makes people

Yep, 100%. It is textbook disability discrimination to have a blanket refusal to accept a certain diagnosis without looking at the kid individually. Particularly with a diagnosis like ASD which is so heterogeneous.

I'm curious. Those parents who are using their kids high IQ's as reasons to accept them. Would you consider it discrimination if a school refused to accept kids with an ID diagnosis?

I’m not saying that LAB needs to accept any particular child. I am saying that they cannot have a blanket refusal to consider any child with autism. Schools can have reasonable criteria related to their actual operations and structure. So yes, it could be appropriate for LAB to say that it cannot serve a child with a severe ID. But autism is not the same as ID.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think not knowing the kid there’s too much variability in the diagnosis to know how it really plays out socially or in the classroom. And they don’t have the resources so they just say they don’t take ASD students. I feel for these parents though because a lot more schools are willing to deal with/ adhd, anxiety etc.

By middle and high school this isn’t true anymore - the kids behavioral needs are pretty well established. LAB especially has zero justification for refusing to admit kids with autism and should be subject to some kind of investigation about it.

And of course the flip side is that many kids on the spectrum have high IQs and no language impairment, so many of the so-called SN schools would be academically inappropriate. People don’t want to say this too loudly, but private pay SN schools are often for rich families who are disappointed that their children are not achieving academically. So no, they do not want high IQs but socially awkward kids on the spectrum taking away from the environment they are trying to create.

You are suggesting an investigation into a private school for refusing to accept ASD? That is ridiculous. It’s private they can pick and choose - that’s how those schools work. And until they have unfilled seats they aren’t accepting ASD no matter how mad it makes people

Yep, 100%. It is textbook disability discrimination to have a blanket refusal to accept a certain diagnosis without looking at the kid individually. Particularly with a diagnosis like ASD which is so heterogeneous.

This is idiotic, good luck with that.

It’s actually not idiotic at all. It’s not even a hard case.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think not knowing the kid there’s too much variability in the diagnosis to know how it really plays out socially or in the classroom. And they don’t have the resources so they just say they don’t take ASD students. I feel for these parents though because a lot more schools are willing to deal with/ adhd, anxiety etc.

By middle and high school this isn’t true anymore - the kids behavioral needs are pretty well established. LAB especially has zero justification for refusing to admit kids with autism and should be subject to some kind of investigation about it.

And of course the flip side is that many kids on the spectrum have high IQs and no language impairment, so many of the so-called SN schools would be academically inappropriate. People don’t want to say this too loudly, but private pay SN schools are often for rich families who are disappointed that their children are not achieving academically. So no, they do not want high IQs but socially awkward kids on the spectrum taking away from the environment they are trying to create.

You are suggesting an investigation into a private school for refusing to accept ASD? That is ridiculous. It’s private they can pick and choose - that’s how those schools work. And until they have unfilled seats they aren’t accepting ASD no matter how mad it makes people

Yep, 100%. It is textbook disability discrimination to have a blanket refusal to accept a certain diagnosis without looking at the kid individually. Particularly with a diagnosis like ASD which is so heterogeneous.

I'm curious. Those parents who are using their kids high IQ's as reasons to accept them. Would you consider it discrimination if a school refused to accept kids with an ID diagnosis?

I’m not saying that LAB needs to accept any particular child. I am saying that they cannot have a blanket refusal to consider any child with autism.. So yes, it could be appropriate for LAB to say that it cannot serve a child with a severe ID. But autism is not the same as ID.

“Schools can have reasonable criteria related to their actual operations and structure.”

Unless it’s Autism? You aren’t making sense.

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Anonymous wrote:I do wonder how gifted, higher-functioning ASD kids feel about special needs schools and autism schools. I wonder if some feel that the social dynamics are even worse, and how those kids fare there if the peer group is lower functioning.

You are being so, so ableist here.

You are describing my child at Harbour School. She loves it there. She has a peer group, and then yes, there are kids with higher support needs, too. The social dynamics are not worse at all. They're a million times better. Because all kids have different needs. They love their classmates w/ higher support needs. Whereas at public school the typical kids bullied the autistic kids. My kid was in tears daily. She won't treat kids with higher support needs the way her typical peers treated her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is it the behavioral issue stigma, they need more, I always wondered. Lots are very gifted, and mild mannered and would not be a problem in a mainstream, or SN environment.

Do you have any evidence to back up your premise in the subject?

[Anonymous]

Not clear on what you mean by SN school? I don’t think the specialized dyslexia/ dysgraphia curriculum would be very useful for 2E for most autistic kids. They would likely be bored and act out more.

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Anonymous wrote:I do wonder how gifted, higher-functioning ASD kids feel about special needs schools and autism schools. I wonder if some feel that the social dynamics are even worse, and how those kids fare there if the peer group is lower functioning.

You are being so, so ableist here.

You are describing my child at Harbour School. She loves it there. She has a peer group, and then yes, there are kids with higher support needs, too. The social dynamics are not worse at all. They're a million times better. Because all kids have different needs. They love their classmates w/ higher support needs. Whereas at public school the typical kids bullied the autistic kids. My kid was in tears daily. She won't treat kids with higher support needs the way her typical peers treated her.

+1. In my experience in gen ed, kids tend to be condescendingly nice to the higher support needs so they can look good, and then the same kids will turnaround and bully the kids with low support needs

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Anonymous wrote:I think not knowing the kid there’s too much variability in the diagnosis to know how it really plays out socially or in the classroom. And they don’t have the resources so they just say they don’t take ASD students. I feel for these parents though because a lot more schools are willing to deal with/ adhd, anxiety etc.

By middle and high school this isn’t true anymore - the kids behavioral needs are pretty well established. LAB especially has zero justification for refusing to admit kids with autism and should be subject to some kind of investigation about it.

And of course the flip side is that many kids on the spectrum have high IQs and no language impairment, so many of the so-called SN schools would be academically inappropriate. People don’t want to say this too loudly, but private pay SN schools are often for rich families who are disappointed that their children are not achieving academically. So no, they do not want high IQs but socially awkward kids on the spectrum taking away from the environment they are trying to create.

You are suggesting an investigation into a private school for refusing to accept ASD? That is ridiculous. It’s private they can pick and choose - that’s how those schools work. And until they have unfilled seats they aren’t accepting ASD no matter how mad it makes people

Yep, 100%. It is textbook disability discrimination to have a blanket refusal to accept a certain diagnosis without looking at the kid individually. Particularly with a diagnosis like ASD which is so heterogeneous.

I'm curious. Those parents who are using their kids high IQ's as reasons to accept them. Would you consider it discrimination if a school refused to accept kids with an ID diagnosis?

I’m not saying that LAB needs to accept any particular child. I am saying that they cannot have a blanket refusal to consider any child with autism.. So yes, it could be appropriate for LAB to say that it cannot serve a child with a severe ID. But autism is not the same as ID.

“Schools can have reasonable criteria related to their actual operations and structure.”

Unless it’s Autism? You aren’t making sense.

Correct. “No autism” is not a reasonable criteria.

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Anonymous wrote:Not clear on what you mean by SN school? I don’t think the specialized dyslexia/ dysgraphia curriculum would be very useful for 2E for most autistic kids. They would likely be bored and act out more.

My kid with autism has dysgraphia.