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How Big of A Problem Are ChatGPT Essays in Top Private Schools?
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Anonymous
I’m the teacher PP. If your student has accommodations, they will be granted. I have students who are given extra time, and so they get extra time. But keep in mind that AP/IB exams are timed. IB is still done by hand and AP only recently switched to online. We need to practice in the same manner we will be assessed. If I allow students to do at-home, untimed, online essays and then the IB exam is timed and hand-written, how am I preparing them? |
Anonymous
It won't take long to produce a generation that mostly cannot evaluate primary source text or data on their own or write an effective analysis of it. Sure, you can make that process faster, but apart from tweaking AI prompts, you will have a dumber workforce. You can argue that we didn't need to do math by hand once computers could do it. Are you happy to cede reading and writing to them too? We won't realize what a total cluster*** it is until that generation has missed the window to learn how to read, think, and write. The social implications of people not caring about that are beyond calculating. You think voters are foolish and uninformed now? Just wait. Today's students are tomorrow's swing voters. |
Anonymous
Students taking AP and/or IB exams can get extended time. How would you grant extended time to students who qualify for it in your class? |
Anonymous
Yes, and students who have extended time on their AP/IB exams also have extended time on class essays. Of course. Students may access a testing center at my school to complete extended time assignments uninterrupted. |
Anonymous
Taking class time away from learning and making teachers glorified proctors in exchange does not seem a good idea. |
Anonymous
Acquiring and mastering the skills to analyze material, organize it, then communicate it in a sound written format is very much learning. Beyond that, those skills will stick with a student far longer than memorizing 20 key words for the next quiz. They will forget those a week later, guaranteed. If you don't get it, you don't get it. |
Anonymous
You're missing the forest for the trees. Before one can analyze etc they need to know about the subject. Spending class periods writing means there's far less time to learn and discuss the underlying material. Moreover, it doesn't even help them improve their writing since it's an assessment not a workshop. Schools and teaching are going to have to adapt but having kids spend their days writing in class is not it and doing that is not a good use of the limited instructional time that they have. |
Anonymous
| It’s happening everywhere. If you don’t want students to use it, then mandate that the students write their essays in class only- not at home. |
Anonymous
When IB officially states students can use AI on their exams, then I’ll allow it on in-class essays. But until then, I’m going to prepare my students for the assessments in front of them. It would be unkind and unfair to do anything else. If students want to use AI to review… be my guest. If they want to use it to look up general information… be my guest. Heck, they can even cite it on their homework for all I care. But the big things? No. I want to see what my students can do, not what the computer can do. |
Anonymous
| As a parent I have looked at chat GPT and I wish teachers would incorporate it. After all, they usually allow Grammarly. Chat GPT is actually not a great writer and there could be a lot of teaching that would come with explaining why a specific revision improved or didn’t improve the paper. It works best for short iterative revisions as opposed to composition or revisions of full papers as the program gets off track easily. The student needs all relevant quotes and evidence. ChatGPT is notorious for making up facts. |
Anonymous
Students with learning challenges should be advocated for by their parents and appropriately assessed so the accommodations can be offered to the student when possible. In some cases that will mean more time during tests or in-class assignments for the student. Maybe you were being facetious when you used the word 'demanding'. I personally want there to be rigor, a challenging environment and the expectations to be high in my children's classrooms, and in the cases where any of my children have struggled, I have sought to understand what aspects they specifically were struggling with and then took the steps to support or ensure support was provided for them. 'Demanding' is a strange word choice because teachers are expected to teach a curriculum that covers ground and isn't drug out over an unreasonable time period, lest they be blamed for demanding anything. |
Anonymous
Ok. But in class writing is not more demanding. Especially since it is being done at the expense of learning. When the trade off is subject depth the unfortunate unintended consequence is a less demanding academic environment |
Anonymous
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Well, apparently it is to the poster I was responding to in the first place. They literally said it was too demanding to have a student complete a test/essay in one class to prevent the help of AI and that tests/essays should instead be broken up over several classes.
I don't think it's reasonable to expect teachers to break up in class tests/essays over several days so it won't be too difficult for students who would be expected to get it done in 50 minutes. I think class time should be used for instruction and learning of that material should be assessed in a test or in-class writing assignment for one class period. Students who need accommodations for more time should take the steps with their parents to ensure they have them. The entire class should not need to be paced for those that need additional time or other support. |
Anonymous
| At DC's school, they run essays through some sort of originality generator (reverse AI - lol!). |
Anonymous
Teacher here. I often use ChatGPT and Grammarly as examples of what we should AVOID in our writing. ChatGPT almost always lists in threes… three reasons, three adjectives, etc. It’s overdone and excessively wordy. Grammarly often makes poor suggestions. Just because teachers haven’t chimed in doesn’t mean this instruction isn’t happening. Many of us are incorporating AI and many of us attend workshops because AI is always evolving. This is our profession and we are staying informed. |