| My kid received merit at Lehigh, Case, Fordham. But we are in state for W&M. |
OMG. They are actually going with the “public ivy” shtick? I cringed when I saw that. How embarrassing. |
| UCSC and USSB are smaller than the other UCs. |
“Public Ivy” as a term is 40 years old. Not a new thing. |
+1 Why wouldn’t W&M use marketing language in its marketing materials? |
VT is ranked better now in case you weren’t aware. Maybe JMU is WM’s peer in-state. |
Rankings don’t make schools peers. JMU is nothing like W&M. Plus neither VT nor JMU is mid-sized (3,000-15,000) so irrelevant to this discussion. |
VT is a good school but isn’t what OP is looking for. You can stand down. |
Then why say things like T20? Rankings are a way to group schools. Sorry that WM is no longer a T2 public in VA per UNSWR. With that being said, WM and JMU are probably the most popular VA schools not in VA T2. |
| OP here. I’m not interested in a pissing match about VA schools or rankings. DD wants a mid-sized school similar in academic quality, vibe, and cost to W&M. |
Elon, seriously. |
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OP, I’m sorry people can’t stay on task.
I posted about Fiske earlier; just wanted to follow up with a bit more data. I don’t have great tools to sort based on cost; you’ll need to check NPCs for that. But here’s a more complete list of Fiske’s five-star (for academics) schools between 2,000 and 10,000 students (my personal definition of mid-size is 4,000-9,000), but I figure this gives you some more options): Barnard College Brown University Carleton College Columbia University Dartmouth College Duke University Harvard University Johns Hopkins University Massachusetts Institute of Technology Northwestern University Princeton University Rice University Stanford University University of Chicago University of Pennsylvania Wellesley College Wesleyan University William & Mary Williams College Yale University If you get a copy of Fiske you can also expand down to the 4.5 star tier (still extremely strong academically; there’s nothing infallible about Fiske’s cutoffs, either) and pick up about a dozen more midsize schools, including WashU and St. Andrews. As you look at costs and admit rates, you’ll likely see that William & Mary is the most accessible school on that list. It’s a shame there aren’t more like it. |
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My son loves Elon and has gotten a great education there. Others will bash it. Whatever. He’s happy and his future is bright.
As for public schools like W&M - there are none. You have to go a bit larger - 16-20k students. Then you get Pitt, Miami Ohio, U. Vermont. Maybe others. |
| Vermont! |
This list is worthless. Someone just put it together based on perceived prestige. There no magic to the academics at these schools. |