DOGE staff admits government was actually well run and not that inefficient

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Now will he admit that the reason he had a false idea of government is that he was lied to?

He was (is) ignorant.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This guy’s professional career background is … Pinterest and a small e-commerce platform. It’s almost as if his paltry experience in a narrow area had nothing to do with a 500,000 employee large health and social services system like the VA! At least he is the teeny tiniest bit self-aware enough to sort of discern that.

Right?

What the people that cheer this on don't realize is the fact that fired government workers are going to come to take their jobs. They are overqualified, overeducated, understaffed, and overworked. Once they get a taste of that sweet private sector life there might not be any going back.

I have never worked as hard in the private sector as I did when I was a Fed.

What people don't realize is that with many fed jobs, your schedule can change without your say so. You can suddenly be notified that you'll be working 7-3 or 4/10s. That doesn't happen in the private sector. I had set breaks as a fed. You had to train your bladder for 10:15 and 2:30. Not hungry at 11:45 for lunch? Too bad because that's your lunch time.

The most appealing part of being a fed, besides the pretty decent insurance and retirement, was the job security. You couldn't be fired on a whim like in the private sector. But that appeal is gone now because this admin has proven that feds can be fired on a whim without any cause.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:After years of right wing smears and attacks on federal government "the bloated bureaucracy" and "the administrative state" and demonization and slander of federal employees "lazy unelected bureaucrats collecting cushy paychecks" and all that - the Silicon Valley DOGE folks are getting a reality check.

“Upon arriving at the massive department that currently employs nearly 500,000 people, Lavignia was met not with bored bureaucrats lazily collecting cushy government paychecks, but with mission-driven workers who "love their jobs."

"In a sense, that makes the DOGE agenda a little bit more complicated, because if half the government took [the agency's buyout offers], then we wouldn’t have to do much more," the tech founder said. "We’d just basically use software to plug holes. But that’s not what’s happening."

Unsurprisingly, Lavignia found that things work a lot differently in the halls of government agencies than they do in Silicon Valley. "I would say the culture shock is mostly a lot of meetings, not a lot of decisions," he remarked. "But honestly, it’s kind of fine — because the government works. It’s not as inefficient as I was expecting, to be honest. I was hoping for more easy wins."

https://futurism.com/doge-operative-surprise

The majority of federal employees are there because they care about the mission and care about their country. A much larger percentage of federal employees are military veterans than you will find in the private sector. Is there the occasional instance of a federal employee who is lazy, abusing the system, wasteful? Yes. But they are rare and they are usually dealt with and gotten rid of, and meanwhile there are also plenty of lazy, wasteful employees also in Silicon Valley and elsewhere in the private sector. But what is far rarer in the private sector is that genuine care about the agency mission. I'm glad this DOGE staffer admitted reality. This administration and the Republicans as a whole need to embrace a lot more honesty and integrity like that, rather than fabricating one divisive strawman after another, rather than attacking valuable and important institutions and agencies.

You are kind of playing into the stereotype. The quoted language you highlighted from the DOGE staffer does not match your thread title.

As an aside, I actually think it is a major problem that civilian government bureaucrats love their job and are mission driven. Civil servants should be dispassionate professionals. That’s why they are supposed to be insulated from the political process. They should exert their authority without passion or prejudice. Much harder to do when your self-actualization and/or moral meaning are tied up together with the job.

I think a really good reform to the civilian government workforce would be to put in time limits for service. Something like a maximum of twenty years of service or something like that.

The mission is apolitical.

You're perturbed that engineers are really into designing things, that doctors really do care about the outcomes for their patients, and that people who manage records are passionate about maintaining information integrity? Dude.

We need to stop arguing with this idiot, if these posts are all from one person.

MAGA/Trump supporters have no ethical code, have no ability to separate their politics from everything else in there lives, etc., so they are incapable of accepting and understand how the vast majority of federal workers actually operate. They assume everyone is a feckless and immoral as they are. Their "passion" is for Trump, so they twist everything to suit his narrative. It's sick and culty.

Well said.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This guy’s professional career background is … Pinterest and a small e-commerce platform. It’s almost as if his paltry experience in a narrow area had nothing to do with a 500,000 employee large health and social services system like the VA! At least he is the teeny tiniest bit self-aware enough to sort of discern that.

Right?

What the people that cheer this on don't realize is the fact that fired government workers are going to come to take their jobs. They are overqualified, overeducated, understaffed, and overworked. Once they get a taste of that sweet private sector life there might not be any going back.

I have never worked as hard in the private sector as I did when I was a Fed.

What people don't realize is that with many fed jobs, your schedule can change without your say so. You can suddenly be notified that you'll be working 7-3 or 4/10s. That doesn't happen in the private sector. I had set breaks as a fed. You had to train your bladder for 10:15 and 2:30. Not hungry at 11:45 for lunch? Too bad because that's your lunch time.

The most appealing part of being a fed, besides the pretty decent insurance and retirement, was the job security. You couldn't be fired on a whim like in the private sector. But that appeal is gone now because this admin has proven that feds can be fired on a whim without any cause.

+1

I thought everyone knew this, I'm astonished that some don't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DOGE existed for only two reasons:

1) For Elon to seek revenge on every agency that ever told him no or tried to regulate him

and

2) For Elon to get as many contracts and as much government money as he could

It saved nothing and will cost a lot. Every republican is responsible because none of them had the courage to stand up to Trump. Losers. Traitors.

You sound like a child. DOGE exists to make government run more efficiently. There are plenty of duplicative and unneeded efforts in government, and quite frankly, it is putting Americans in the poor house by making us uncompetitive in a global economy and devaluing the US dollar.

There's a reason you imbeciles are constantly whining about a "living wage". Government is destroying the wage by constantly and incessantly boosting the money supply to pay for its gross inefficiencies.

If you want to see an imbecile look no further than your own mirror.
Seriously, does nothing embarrass MaGAS?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This guy’s professional career background is … Pinterest and a small e-commerce platform. It’s almost as if his paltry experience in a narrow area had nothing to do with a 500,000 employee large health and social services system like the VA! At least he is the teeny tiniest bit self-aware enough to sort of discern that.

Right?

What the people that cheer this on don't realize is the fact that fired government workers are going to come to take their jobs. They are overqualified, overeducated, understaffed, and overworked. Once they get a taste of that sweet private sector life there might not be any going back.

I have never worked as hard in the private sector as I did when I was a Fed.

What people don't realize is that with many fed jobs, your schedule can change without your say so. You can suddenly be notified that you'll be working 7-3 or 4/10s. That doesn't happen in the private sector. I had set breaks as a fed. You had to train your bladder for 10:15 and 2:30. Not hungry at 11:45 for lunch? Too bad because that's your lunch time.

The most appealing part of being a fed, besides the pretty decent insurance and retirement, was the job security. You couldn't be fired on a whim like in the private sector. But that appeal is gone now because this admin has proven that feds can be fired on a whim without any cause.

+1

I thought everyone knew this, I'm astonished that some don't.

Every week since DOGE started at least two feds I know at work have resigned or early retired. If this keeps up there will only be staff from about age 40-60 left by the summer, basically those who have too many years in to stop now, and are old enough that age discrimination is going to affect them.

Musk got his legal problems solved and a lot of government contracts, but the ability to recruit competent federal workers is going to be shattered for decades.

[Anonymous]

Most of the DOGE guys chose their career not because they wanted to live in a great strong country, but because they personally wanted to accumulate wealth. Imagine their shock that there are people who are satisfied with their basic needs covered, and then just want to help make this nation great. but they project their own laziness, theft, and greed onto federal employees. If they were like that, they would have gone to a company.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This guy’s professional career background is … Pinterest and a small e-commerce platform. It’s almost as if his paltry experience in a narrow area had nothing to do with a 500,000 employee large health and social services system like the VA! At least he is the teeny tiniest bit self-aware enough to sort of discern that.

Right?

What the people that cheer this on don't realize is the fact that fired government workers are going to come to take their jobs. They are overqualified, overeducated, understaffed, and overworked. Once they get a taste of that sweet private sector life there might not be any going back.

I have never worked as hard in the private sector as I did when I was a Fed.

What people don't realize is that with many fed jobs, your schedule can change without your say so. You can suddenly be notified that you'll be working 7-3 or 4/10s. That doesn't happen in the private sector. I had set breaks as a fed. You had to train your bladder for 10:15 and 2:30. Not hungry at 11:45 for lunch? Too bad because that's your lunch time.

The most appealing part of being a fed, besides the pretty decent insurance and retirement, was the job security. You couldn't be fired on a whim like in the private sector. But that appeal is gone now because this admin has proven that feds can be fired on a whim without any cause.

+1

I thought everyone knew this, I'm astonished that some don't.

I guess the silver lining in this whole attack-on-feds shitshow is that all of the dumb MAGA myths about feds are being exploded - by their own DOGE guys.

[Anonymous]

I know people from tech who went to government for Obama's projects like USDS, which DOGE is a cruel parody of.

They call come back marvelling how government employees only care about the ”mission" , not the tech or the bureaucracy. It's like they couldn't imagine that some that people actually do work they care about.

[Anonymous]

It will take 50 years for this country to recover from trump and muck.

[Anonymous]

Yeah, peak healthcare is only achieved when all the doctors just treat it like a job and only care about the money they make.

That tracks for MAGA.

[Anonymous]

It isn't "inefficient", but we still have a spending/budgeting problem. Those two ideas can coexist. Furthermore, we can also be unhappy with certain services that are rendered. For example, I am extremely unhappy with the DOL, USCIS, DHS and immigration, especially when the private sector is essentially using USCIS and DOL to set wage standards in the tech industry for citizens. Who are they to say what a salary should be for people in tech and using that to justify bringing in more people for my field? I don't care how efficiently they do it, I don't want them doing that at all. (Especially, if they do it behind my back without notifying me that they are doing that, you know like secret LCA and PERM listings for jobs that don't exist.)

A dog that bites you is gonna' get put down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It isn't "inefficient", but we still have a spending/budgeting problem. Those two ideas can coexist. Furthermore, we can also be unhappy with certain services that are rendered. For example, I am extremely unhappy with the DOL, USCIS, DHS and immigration, especially when the private sector is essentially using USCIS and DOL to set wage standards in the tech industry for citizens. Who are they to say what a salary should be for people in tech and using that to justify bringing in more people for my field? I don't care how efficiently they do it, I don't want them doing that at all. (Especially, if they do it behind my back without notifying me that they are doing that, you know like secret LCA and PERM listings for jobs that don't exist.)

A dog that bites you is gonna' get put down.

Are referring to ... getting 86'd?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know people from tech who went to government for Obama's projects like USDS, which DOGE is a cruel parody of.

They call come back marvelling how government employees only care about the ”mission" , not the tech or the bureaucracy. It's like they couldn't imagine that some that people actually do work they care about.

This is the problem right here.

DOGE bros are in it for the money and inside information, not the mission.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This guy’s professional career background is … Pinterest and a small e-commerce platform. It’s almost as if his paltry experience in a narrow area had nothing to do with a 500,000 employee large health and social services system like the VA! At least he is the teeny tiniest bit self-aware enough to sort of discern that.

Right?

What the people that cheer this on don't realize is the fact that fired government workers are going to come to take their jobs. They are overqualified, overeducated, understaffed, and overworked. Once they get a taste of that sweet private sector life there might not be any going back.

I have never worked as hard in the private sector as I did when I was a Fed.

What people don't realize is that with many fed jobs, your schedule can change without your say so. You can suddenly be notified that you'll be working 7-3 or 4/10s. That doesn't happen in the private sector. I had set breaks as a fed. You had to train your bladder for 10:15 and 2:30. Not hungry at 11:45 for lunch? Too bad because that's your lunch time.

The most appealing part of being a fed, besides the pretty decent insurance and retirement, was the job security. You couldn't be fired on a whim like in the private sector. But that appeal is gone now because this admin has proven that feds can be fired on a whim without any cause.

I would agree that you are busy in government. Congress (the GOP more so) has been having government operate on a shoestring budget for decades. We never fully fill openings on our staff because pay sucks compared to commercial. The reason I like government work is there is far more to do (if you think private industry is regulated…🙄 government is far more regulated) and it is far more interesting and meaningful than corporate America.

I have zero desire to watch the CEO and shareholders make bank while rewarding workers with free pizza.