Pet peeve! Why do parents of holdback kids

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Anonymous wrote:Yes how annoying!

Little league forces the summer birthday redshirt kids to play their correct age group (rather than grade). I was always glad about that one.

It’s more frustrating in later years IMHO. For example a freshman baseball player that is almost 16 (turns 16 in June). And there are so many like this- usually they were held back in Kindergarten but more and more are “reclassing”. I know two 8th grade boys who are repeating 8th grade next year - not for any academic reason but for sports.

Why on Earth would it be more frustrating after the kids go through puberty?

Because a great 16 year old is 99.9% better than a great 14 year old, and that age gap difference follows both kids throughout all of HS. The 0.1% is reserved for the insane athletes like Cooper Flagg who reclassed the other way...graduated HS after his junior year at 17, so he will just turn 19 after his one year at Duke and will be the #1 NBA draft pick.

The kids that reclass in 8th grade aren't weak athletes. Most are the strongest athletes. Again, colleges don't care how old you are. That's why you have 26 year old college QBs. Also, I think during the NCAA basketball tournament that they said the average age of the Auburn starting 5 was slightly older than one NBA team (I can't remember which team).

If your high school kid can’t get a spot on the team on his own merits, that just means he’s not destined to go far in his sport. Once the kids are through puberty age has very little to do with how good the kids are.

NP: If redshirting and reclassing didn’t confer some advantage, people wouldn’t be doing it. Let’s be real here. There is also a reason you rarely or never see this happening with girls (puberty and growth is almost always complete for girls by high school entry). . As for how much of an advantage it is: it really depends on the particular kid and the particular sport.

It really isn’t an issue at the youth levels (or certainly shouldn’t be)- because nearly all sports are organized by birthdate. But at the later middle school or early high school level (say, ages 13-16ish)? For males, it can make an absolutely enormous difference. In many team sports (and baseball is definitely one), strength and size are hugely important factors in making the high school JV teams at competitive schools.

I agree that people do it because they think there is an advantage. People do all kinds of dumb things trying to clear the road for their kids. Doesn’t mean it’s actually effective.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes how annoying!

Little league forces the summer birthday redshirt kids to play their correct age group (rather than grade). I was always glad about that one.

It’s more frustrating in later years IMHO. For example a freshman baseball player that is almost 16 (turns 16 in June). And there are so many like this- usually they were held back in Kindergarten but more and more are “reclassing”. I know two 8th grade boys who are repeating 8th grade next year - not for any academic reason but for sports.

Why on Earth would it be more frustrating after the kids go through puberty?

Because a great 16 year old is 99.9% better than a great 14 year old, and that age gap difference follows both kids throughout all of HS. The 0.1% is reserved for the insane athletes like Cooper Flagg who reclassed the other way...graduated HS after his junior year at 17, so he will just turn 19 after his one year at Duke and will be the #1 NBA draft pick.

The kids that reclass in 8th grade aren't weak athletes. Most are the strongest athletes. Again, colleges don't care how old you are. That's why you have 26 year old college QBs. Also, I think during the NCAA basketball tournament that they said the average age of the Auburn starting 5 was slightly older than one NBA team (I can't remember which team).

If your high school kid can’t get a spot on the team on his own merits, that just means he’s not destined to go far in his sport. Once the kids are through puberty age has very little to do with how good the kids are.

Spoken as someone who doesn't have a kid at a sports powerhouse school. Of course you are completely missing the point...it's not weak kids that are re-classing...it's the strongest kids doing this because they are competing nationally for D1 spots.

There is functionality no difference between a talented and athletic 16 year old versus a 17 year old versus an 18 year old. Get a grip.

You know they have 18 year olds competing against 22 years in college, don’t you? Are you going to cry about that, too?

And the 22 year old has a huge advantage over the 18 year old

And the 25 year old professional has a huge advantage over the 35 year old old professional. At some point you’re just competing. Period. Not competing exclusively with people born within one year of when you were born. And high school is a perfectly reasonable line to draw to throw all the kids into the same ring, IMO.

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Because sports parents in the DMV are insane.

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In tennis kids that play up become better players more quickly. As long as your child meets the minimum age in bracket the USTA officials don’t care. A 12 year old can play in 16’s but a 16 year old can’t play down in 12’s.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes how annoying!

Little league forces the summer birthday redshirt kids to play their correct age group (rather than grade). I was always glad about that one.

It’s more frustrating in later years IMHO. For example a freshman baseball player that is almost 16 (turns 16 in June). And there are so many like this- usually they were held back in Kindergarten but more and more are “reclassing”. I know two 8th grade boys who are repeating 8th grade next year - not for any academic reason but for sports.

Why on Earth would it be more frustrating after the kids go through puberty?

Because a great 16 year old is 99.9% better than a great 14 year old, and that age gap difference follows both kids throughout all of HS. The 0.1% is reserved for the insane athletes like Cooper Flagg who reclassed the other way...graduated HS after his junior year at 17, so he will just turn 19 after his one year at Duke and will be the #1 NBA draft pick.

The kids that reclass in 8th grade aren't weak athletes. Most are the strongest athletes. Again, colleges don't care how old you are. That's why you have 26 year old college QBs. Also, I think during the NCAA basketball tournament that they said the average age of the Auburn starting 5 was slightly older than one NBA team (I can't remember which team).

If your high school kid can’t get a spot on the team on his own merits, that just means he’s not destined to go far in his sport. Once the kids are through puberty age has very little to do with how good the kids are.

Spoken as someone who doesn't have a kid at a sports powerhouse school. Of course you are completely missing the point...it's not weak kids that are re-classing...it's the strongest kids doing this because they are competing nationally for D1 spots.

There is functionality no difference between a talented and athletic 16 year old versus a 17 year old versus an 18 year old. Get a grip.

You know they have 18 year olds competing against 22 years in college, don’t you? Are you going to cry about that, too?

If you don't want to accept the facts, there is no help.

Again, the average age of college teams in revenue sports (and soccer) is now 21+. For every 18-year-old able to make a D1 team there are 10x 22 year olds playing.

You keep spewing nonsense and it's clear you don't get the landscape whatsoever.

The fact is that if you’re whining that the only reason Timmy made the team over Billy is because Timmy is 18 and Billy is only 17 you’re being delusional. Sorry.

It’s clear you don’t have a kid that’s a strong athlete. If you did you wouldn’t be making this moronic comments.

Look at the top 500 HS players in nearly any sport and it’s 95% comprised of the current graduating class…with 4% of current juniors and 1% freshman/sophs.

Premier League soccer (highest pro league in UK) allows 16 year olds and there is one in the entire league and he only played a total of 30 minutes all season. There are 25 18 year olds, several of which are starters. There are 100+ 20 year olds. There are more 39 year old players than 16.

The idea that 18 and 16 doesn’t matter is ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Yes how annoying!

Little league forces the summer birthday redshirt kids to play their correct age group (rather than grade). I was always glad about that one.

It’s more frustrating in later years IMHO. For example a freshman baseball player that is almost 16 (turns 16 in June). And there are so many like this- usually they were held back in Kindergarten but more and more are “reclassing”. I know two 8th grade boys who are repeating 8th grade next year - not for any academic reason but for sports.

Why on Earth would it be more frustrating after the kids go through puberty?

Because a great 16 year old is 99.9% better than a great 14 year old, and that age gap difference follows both kids throughout all of HS. The 0.1% is reserved for the insane athletes like Cooper Flagg who reclassed the other way...graduated HS after his junior year at 17, so he will just turn 19 after his one year at Duke and will be the #1 NBA draft pick.

The kids that reclass in 8th grade aren't weak athletes. Most are the strongest athletes. Again, colleges don't care how old you are. That's why you have 26 year old college QBs. Also, I think during the NCAA basketball tournament that they said the average age of the Auburn starting 5 was slightly older than one NBA team (I can't remember which team).

If your high school kid can’t get a spot on the team on his own merits, that just means he’s not destined to go far in his sport. Once the kids are through puberty age has very little to do with how good the kids are.

NP: If redshirting and reclassing didn’t confer some advantage, people wouldn’t be doing it. Let’s be real here. There is also a reason you rarely or never see this happening with girls (puberty and growth is almost always complete for girls by high school entry). . As for how much of an advantage it is: it really depends on the particular kid and the particular sport.

It really isn’t an issue at the youth levels (or certainly shouldn’t be)- because nearly all sports are organized by birthdate. But at the later middle school or early high school level (say, ages 13-16ish)? For males, it can make an absolutely enormous difference. In many team sports (and baseball is definitely one), strength and size are hugely important factors in making the high school JV teams at competitive schools.

I agree that people do it because they think there is an advantage. People do all kinds of dumb things trying to clear the road for their kids. Doesn’t mean it’s actually effective.

Except it’s absolutely proven to be effective.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes how annoying!

Little league forces the summer birthday redshirt kids to play their correct age group (rather than grade). I was always glad about that one.

It’s more frustrating in later years IMHO. For example a freshman baseball player that is almost 16 (turns 16 in June). And there are so many like this- usually they were held back in Kindergarten but more and more are “reclassing”. I know two 8th grade boys who are repeating 8th grade next year - not for any academic reason but for sports.

Why on Earth would it be more frustrating after the kids go through puberty?

Because a great 16 year old is 99.9% better than a great 14 year old, and that age gap difference follows both kids throughout all of HS. The 0.1% is reserved for the insane athletes like Cooper Flagg who reclassed the other way...graduated HS after his junior year at 17, so he will just turn 19 after his one year at Duke and will be the #1 NBA draft pick.

The kids that reclass in 8th grade aren't weak athletes. Most are the strongest athletes. Again, colleges don't care how old you are. That's why you have 26 year old college QBs. Also, I think during the NCAA basketball tournament that they said the average age of the Auburn starting 5 was slightly older than one NBA team (I can't remember which team).

If your high school kid can’t get a spot on the team on his own merits, that just means he’s not destined to go far in his sport. Once the kids are through puberty age has very little to do with how good the kids are.

Spoken as someone who doesn't have a kid at a sports powerhouse school. Of course you are completely missing the point...it's not weak kids that are re-classing...it's the strongest kids doing this because they are competing nationally for D1 spots.

There is functionality no difference between a talented and athletic 16 year old versus a 17 year old versus an 18 year old. Get a grip.

You know they have 18 year olds competing against 22 years in college, don’t you? Are you going to cry about that, too?

If you don't want to accept the facts, there is no help.

Again, the average age of college teams in revenue sports (and soccer) is now 21+. For every 18-year-old able to make a D1 team there are 10x 22 year olds playing.

You keep spewing nonsense and it's clear you don't get the landscape whatsoever.

The fact is that if you’re whining that the only reason Timmy made the team over Billy is because Timmy is 18 and Billy is only 17 you’re being delusional. Sorry.

It’s clear you don’t have a kid that’s a strong athlete. If you did you wouldn’t be making this moronic comments.

Look at the top 500 HS players in nearly any sport and it’s 95% comprised of the current graduating class…with 4% of current juniors and 1% freshman/sophs.

Premier League soccer (highest pro league in UK) allows 16 year olds and there is one in the entire league and he only played a total of 30 minutes all season. There are 25 18 year olds, several of which are starters. There are 100+ 20 year olds. There are more 39 year old players than 16.

The idea that 18 and 16 doesn’t matter is ridiculous.

Those freshman will be seniors someday, dummy. Then they’ll be in the 95%. What the hell are you even on about?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes how annoying!

Little league forces the summer birthday redshirt kids to play their correct age group (rather than grade). I was always glad about that one.

It’s more frustrating in later years IMHO. For example a freshman baseball player that is almost 16 (turns 16 in June). And there are so many like this- usually they were held back in Kindergarten but more and more are “reclassing”. I know two 8th grade boys who are repeating 8th grade next year - not for any academic reason but for sports.

Why on Earth would it be more frustrating after the kids go through puberty?

Because a great 16 year old is 99.9% better than a great 14 year old, and that age gap difference follows both kids throughout all of HS. The 0.1% is reserved for the insane athletes like Cooper Flagg who reclassed the other way...graduated HS after his junior year at 17, so he will just turn 19 after his one year at Duke and will be the #1 NBA draft pick.

The kids that reclass in 8th grade aren't weak athletes. Most are the strongest athletes. Again, colleges don't care how old you are. That's why you have 26 year old college QBs. Also, I think during the NCAA basketball tournament that they said the average age of the Auburn starting 5 was slightly older than one NBA team (I can't remember which team).

If your high school kid can’t get a spot on the team on his own merits, that just means he’s not destined to go far in his sport. Once the kids are through puberty age has very little to do with how good the kids are.

NP: If redshirting and reclassing didn’t confer some advantage, people wouldn’t be doing it. Let’s be real here. There is also a reason you rarely or never see this happening with girls (puberty and growth is almost always complete for girls by high school entry). . As for how much of an advantage it is: it really depends on the particular kid and the particular sport.

It really isn’t an issue at the youth levels (or certainly shouldn’t be)- because nearly all sports are organized by birthdate. But at the later middle school or early high school level (say, ages 13-16ish)? For males, it can make an absolutely enormous difference. In many team sports (and baseball is definitely one), strength and size are hugely important factors in making the high school JV teams at competitive schools.

I agree that people do it because they think there is an advantage. People do all kinds of dumb things trying to clear the road for their kids. Doesn’t mean it’s actually effective.

Except it’s absolutely proven to be effective.

Sorry, the links to your research citations aren’t showing up.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes how annoying!

Little league forces the summer birthday redshirt kids to play their correct age group (rather than grade). I was always glad about that one.

It’s more frustrating in later years IMHO. For example a freshman baseball player that is almost 16 (turns 16 in June). And there are so many like this- usually they were held back in Kindergarten but more and more are “reclassing”. I know two 8th grade boys who are repeating 8th grade next year - not for any academic reason but for sports.

Why on Earth would it be more frustrating after the kids go through puberty?

Because a great 16 year old is 99.9% better than a great 14 year old, and that age gap difference follows both kids throughout all of HS. The 0.1% is reserved for the insane athletes like Cooper Flagg who reclassed the other way...graduated HS after his junior year at 17, so he will just turn 19 after his one year at Duke and will be the #1 NBA draft pick.

The kids that reclass in 8th grade aren't weak athletes. Most are the strongest athletes. Again, colleges don't care how old you are. That's why you have 26 year old college QBs. Also, I think during the NCAA basketball tournament that they said the average age of the Auburn starting 5 was slightly older than one NBA team (I can't remember which team).

If your high school kid can’t get a spot on the team on his own merits, that just means he’s not destined to go far in his sport. Once the kids are through puberty age has very little to do with how good the kids are.

Spoken as someone who doesn't have a kid at a sports powerhouse school. Of course you are completely missing the point...it's not weak kids that are re-classing...it's the strongest kids doing this because they are competing nationally for D1 spots.

There is functionality no difference between a talented and athletic 16 year old versus a 17 year old versus an 18 year old. Get a grip.

You know they have 18 year olds competing against 22 years in college, don’t you? Are you going to cry about that, too?

If you don't want to accept the facts, there is no help.

Again, the average age of college teams in revenue sports (and soccer) is now 21+. For every 18-year-old able to make a D1 team there are 10x 22 year olds playing.

You keep spewing nonsense and it's clear you don't get the landscape whatsoever.

The fact is that if you’re whining that the only reason Timmy made the team over Billy is because Timmy is 18 and Billy is only 17 you’re being delusional. Sorry.

It’s clear you don’t have a kid that’s a strong athlete. If you did you wouldn’t be making this moronic comments.

Look at the top 500 HS players in nearly any sport and it’s 95% comprised of the current graduating class…with 4% of current juniors and 1% freshman/sophs.

Premier League soccer (highest pro league in UK) allows 16 year olds and there is one in the entire league and he only played a total of 30 minutes all season. There are 25 18 year olds, several of which are starters. There are 100+ 20 year olds. There are more 39 year old players than 16.

The idea that 18 and 16 doesn’t matter is ridiculous.

Those freshman will be seniors someday, dummy. Then they’ll be in the 95%. What the hell are you even on about?

You are a complete dipshit…making it clear that yes there is a noticeable difference between an 18 year old (or 19 year old) senior and even a 17 year old junior or 16 year old sophomore.

Please, stop posting. You are embarrassing yourself.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes how annoying!

Little league forces the summer birthday redshirt kids to play their correct age group (rather than grade). I was always glad about that one.

It’s more frustrating in later years IMHO. For example a freshman baseball player that is almost 16 (turns 16 in June). And there are so many like this- usually they were held back in Kindergarten but more and more are “reclassing”. I know two 8th grade boys who are repeating 8th grade next year - not for any academic reason but for sports.

Why on Earth would it be more frustrating after the kids go through puberty?

Because a great 16 year old is 99.9% better than a great 14 year old, and that age gap difference follows both kids throughout all of HS. The 0.1% is reserved for the insane athletes like Cooper Flagg who reclassed the other way...graduated HS after his junior year at 17, so he will just turn 19 after his one year at Duke and will be the #1 NBA draft pick.

The kids that reclass in 8th grade aren't weak athletes. Most are the strongest athletes. Again, colleges don't care how old you are. That's why you have 26 year old college QBs. Also, I think during the NCAA basketball tournament that they said the average age of the Auburn starting 5 was slightly older than one NBA team (I can't remember which team).

If your high school kid can’t get a spot on the team on his own merits, that just means he’s not destined to go far in his sport. Once the kids are through puberty age has very little to do with how good the kids are.

Spoken as someone who doesn't have a kid at a sports powerhouse school. Of course you are completely missing the point...it's not weak kids that are re-classing...it's the strongest kids doing this because they are competing nationally for D1 spots.

There is functionality no difference between a talented and athletic 16 year old versus a 17 year old versus an 18 year old. Get a grip.

You know they have 18 year olds competing against 22 years in college, don’t you? Are you going to cry about that, too?

If you don't want to accept the facts, there is no help.

Again, the average age of college teams in revenue sports (and soccer) is now 21+. For every 18-year-old able to make a D1 team there are 10x 22 year olds playing.

You keep spewing nonsense and it's clear you don't get the landscape whatsoever.

The fact is that if you’re whining that the only reason Timmy made the team over Billy is because Timmy is 18 and Billy is only 17 you’re being delusional. Sorry.

It’s clear you don’t have a kid that’s a strong athlete. If you did you wouldn’t be making this moronic comments.

Look at the top 500 HS players in nearly any sport and it’s 95% comprised of the current graduating class…with 4% of current juniors and 1% freshman/sophs.

Premier League soccer (highest pro league in UK) allows 16 year olds and there is one in the entire league and he only played a total of 30 minutes all season. There are 25 18 year olds, several of which are starters. There are 100+ 20 year olds. There are more 39 year old players than 16.

The idea that 18 and 16 doesn’t matter is ridiculous.

Those freshman will be seniors someday, dummy. Then they’ll be in the 95%. What the hell are you even on about?

You are a complete dipshit…making it clear that yes there is a noticeable difference between an 18 year old (or 19 year old) senior and even a 17 year old junior or 16 year old sophomore.

Please, stop posting. You are embarrassing yourself.

LOL. Let’s line up a bunch of senior athletes and you can guess if they’re 17, 18, or 19! Since it’s SO noticeable. I’m guessing you’d be fired from that carnival spot after the first day.

Listen, there is ALWAYS going to be someone older than Larlo. At some point you just have to deal with it, man.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My DH hates this, too. We’ve heard multiple times about kids whose parents say they “play up”. No, you just redshirted your kid and they are playing with the grade they are technically allowed to be in.

I don’t follow this at all. If you redshirt/reclass/holdback your kid, he/she is playing with kids who are grade/age behind. So he/she is the oldest kid on the team. He/she should be in 9th grade but they’re playing with other 8th graders. How is this described as “playing up”?? It’s playing down if anything…

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My DH hates this, too. We’ve heard multiple times about kids whose parents say they “play up”. No, you just redshirted your kid and they are playing with the grade they are technically allowed to be in.

I don’t follow this at all. If you redshirt/reclass/holdback your kid, he/she is playing with kids who are grade/age behind. So he/she is the oldest kid on the team. He/she should be in 9th grade but they’re playing with other 8th graders. How is this described as “playing up”?? It’s playing down if anything…

I think redshirt is the term used academically too.

So the parents redshirted their kids for school by holding them back one year.

But then when it comes to sports, since most leagues go by birthdate, these kids end up having to play with others one grade higher than them.

And is why some of the parents are claiming that their kids are playing up a level because of this.

But the argument that OP and others are trying to make is that these kids are really just playing at the level they're supposed to be. And are not actually playing up a level.

[Anonymous]

If you redshirt it’s best not to say those things. It just annoys others

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My DH hates this, too. We’ve heard multiple times about kids whose parents say they “play up”. No, you just redshirted your kid and they are playing with the grade they are technically allowed to be in.

I don’t follow this at all. If you redshirt/reclass/holdback your kid, he/she is playing with kids who are grade/age behind. So he/she is the oldest kid on the team. He/she should be in 9th grade but they’re playing with other 8th graders. How is this described as “playing up”?? It’s playing down if anything…

No, if you reclass/redshirt, Jimmy should be in 9th grade but is instead in 8th grade. However, Jimmy plays with the 9th graders because his age puts him in that group.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes how annoying!

Little league forces the summer birthday redshirt kids to play their correct age group (rather than grade). I was always glad about that one.

It’s more frustrating in later years IMHO. For example a freshman baseball player that is almost 16 (turns 16 in June). And there are so many like this- usually they were held back in Kindergarten but more and more are “reclassing”. I know two 8th grade boys who are repeating 8th grade next year - not for any academic reason but for sports.

Why on Earth would it be more frustrating after the kids go through puberty?

Because a great 16 year old is 99.9% better than a great 14 year old, and that age gap difference follows both kids throughout all of HS. The 0.1% is reserved for the insane athletes like Cooper Flagg who reclassed the other way...graduated HS after his junior year at 17, so he will just turn 19 after his one year at Duke and will be the #1 NBA draft pick.

The kids that reclass in 8th grade aren't weak athletes. Most are the strongest athletes. Again, colleges don't care how old you are. That's why you have 26 year old college QBs. Also, I think during the NCAA basketball tournament that they said the average age of the Auburn starting 5 was slightly older than one NBA team (I can't remember which team).

If your high school kid can’t get a spot on the team on his own merits, that just means he’s not destined to go far in his sport. Once the kids are through puberty age has very little to do with how good the kids are.

Spoken as someone who doesn't have a kid at a sports powerhouse school. Of course you are completely missing the point...it's not weak kids that are re-classing...it's the strongest kids doing this because they are competing nationally for D1 spots.

There is functionality no difference between a talented and athletic 16 year old versus a 17 year old versus an 18 year old. Get a grip.

You know they have 18 year olds competing against 22 years in college, don’t you? Are you going to cry about that, too?

If you don't want to accept the facts, there is no help.

Again, the average age of college teams in revenue sports (and soccer) is now 21+. For every 18-year-old able to make a D1 team there are 10x 22 year olds playing.

You keep spewing nonsense and it's clear you don't get the landscape whatsoever.

The fact is that if you’re whining that the only reason Timmy made the team over Billy is because Timmy is 18 and Billy is only 17 you’re being delusional. Sorry.

It’s clear you don’t have a kid that’s a strong athlete. If you did you wouldn’t be making this moronic comments.

Look at the top 500 HS players in nearly any sport and it’s 95% comprised of the current graduating class…with 4% of current juniors and 1% freshman/sophs.

Premier League soccer (highest pro league in UK) allows 16 year olds and there is one in the entire league and he only played a total of 30 minutes all season. There are 25 18 year olds, several of which are starters. There are 100+ 20 year olds. There are more 39 year old players than 16.

The idea that 18 and 16 doesn’t matter is ridiculous.

Those freshman will be seniors someday, dummy. Then they’ll be in the 95%. What the hell are you even on about?

You are a complete dipshit…making it clear that yes there is a noticeable difference between an 18 year old (or 19 year old) senior and even a 17 year old junior or 16 year old sophomore.

Please, stop posting. You are embarrassing yourself.

LOL. Let’s line up a bunch of senior athletes and you can guess if they’re 17, 18, or 19! Since it’s SO noticeable. I’m guessing you’d be fired from that carnival spot after the first day.

Listen, there is ALWAYS going to be someone older than Larlo. At some point you just have to deal with it, man.

It actually is pretty noticeable…in fact quite obvious. You just keep digging and it’s weird.

….but you don’t have an athlete, so why do you care?