Why are ppl so jealous about WFH?

[Anonymous]

As a fed we have been back in office 3/5 days a week for years. I think the bigger issue is that they sunk morale to record lows at the same time they sent us all back to the office 5/5 days a week. We have no way to avoid everything that’s going on in the office. If I were teleworking I wouldn’t have to overhear depressing convos over and over. It’s hard watching colleagues carry out boxes and everyone is leaving.

What they should have done was given managers more flexibility with hiring and firing.

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Anonymous wrote:Some don't understand.

Some are jealous because they are in a field that doesnt allow such flexibility.

Some can't adjust to workplace evolution. "This is how it's always been done!"

Some think a woman's place in the house is barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen.

Some do not realize that WFH is not the female dream you envision it to be. Working from home often means women doing more work, more responsibilities, more multi-tasking. You replace the commute time with a FULL time worker, cleaner, cook, mother. Impossible to do everything and be everything all at the same time.

I'd much rather go to an office an have clear boundaries. I worked form home for 6 years, and went back to an office on purpose during Covid, before my kids were even back in school. I was quickly burnt out on being all things at all times to everyone.

Fake news. I am a woman who went from 100% WFH to 100% in office. I still have all the same responsibilities with 10 hours less per week to do it due to the added commute. So at the end of the day what ends up getting cut is free time with family.

You have a different perspective doesn’t make the other person’s viewpoint and experiences fake news.

No, this is in our family too.

DP. You have a different experience. Still not fake news. It’s easier for sure with a remote parent, but that parent can end up taking on more hands on and hands off parenting responsibilities and that can definitely lead to burnout. It is better when both parents have flexibility.

That’s not what is happening moron. It’s not like one parent is being recalled while the other is getting more remote days. It’s a net loss of 10 hours for the family. Who gains? I guess CRE, oil and gas, car manufacturers.

Ok, well you have zero self awareness. And along the same lines, the federal government does not employ everyone. For emphasis, not everyone is being recalled because some people were working in office or in hospital while you were working at home. And it is hard for the parent who is at home acting as the catch all for parenting duties while the other person is working and largely unavailable. I am not the PP, but as someone who WFH I can relate to feeling burned out. So step off. This entire conversation is not about your lived experience.

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Anonymous wrote:Some don't understand.

Some are jealous because they are in a field that doesnt allow such flexibility.

Some can't adjust to workplace evolution. "This is how it's always been done!"

Some think a woman's place in the house is barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen.

Some do not realize that WFH is not the female dream you envision it to be. Working from home often means women doing more work, more responsibilities, more multi-tasking. You replace the commute time with a FULL time worker, cleaner, cook, mother. Impossible to do everything and be everything all at the same time.

I'd much rather go to an office an have clear boundaries. I worked form home for 6 years, and went back to an office on purpose during Covid, before my kids were even back in school. I was quickly burnt out on being all things at all times to everyone.

Fake news. I am a woman who went from 100% WFH to 100% in office. I still have all the same responsibilities with 10 hours less per week to do it due to the added commute. So at the end of the day what ends up getting cut is free time with family.

You have a different perspective doesn’t make the other person’s viewpoint and experiences fake news.

No, this is in our family too.

DP. You have a different experience. Still not fake news. It’s easier for sure with a remote parent, but that parent can end up taking on more hands on and hands off parenting responsibilities and that can definitely lead to burnout. It is better when both parents have flexibility.

That’s not what is happening moron. It’s not like one parent is being recalled while the other is getting more remote days. It’s a net loss of 10 hours for the family. Who gains? I guess CRE, oil and gas, car manufacturers.

Ok, well you have zero self awareness. And along the same lines, the federal government does not employ everyone. For emphasis, not everyone is being recalled because some people were working in office or in hospital while you were working at home. And it is hard for the parent who is at home acting as the catch all for parenting duties while the other person is working and largely unavailable. I am not the PP, but as someone who WFH I can relate to feeling burned out. So step off. This entire conversation is not about your lived experience.

NP. If you and the PP who started this tangent could refrain from sweeping generalizations and simply state your experiences and preferences as your own you'd get a lot less push back. It was hard for you to work from home. It was hard for the original commenter who said "Some do not realize that WFH is not the female dream you envision it to be. Working from home often means women doing more work, more responsibilities, more multi-tasking. You replace the commute time with a FULL time worker, cleaner, cook, mother. Impossible to do everything and be everything all at the same time." Many, many, many people preferred WFH because of the lack of commute, because they could do laundry or run an errand on their lunch break instead of small talk in the office, because they could flex the 15 minutes it took to pick up the kids at the bus. Surely you can see how those things would be nice for many. It's fine if it wasn't your cup of tea, but assuming you had the choice to RTO when WFH didn't work well for you, consider that others would like the ability to make a different choice.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t see this as a right/left thing. It’s simply human nature.

I leave my house at 5:30am and don’t return until 6pm. I’ve raised 2 kids with this schedule and it has been exhausting. 15 years of this so far.

I’m jealous of my neighbor who works from home. She grocery shops in the afternoon, picks her kids up at the bus stop, etc.

It’s basic jealousy. I’ll admit it. I would love what she has, but WFH isn’t available on my field.

And so I sit silently and dream about shorter work days and more flexibility.

How do you know this? You are out of the house during those hours.

NP. I know because some of my friends tell me this is what they do. I can't do this because I work in intel, and we have to be in the office. On the plus side, when I'm done with work, I'm done.

At least you know your choices and own them. Maybe less ruminating on what friends tell you and less comparing to others would also give you an increase in satisfaction with your choices. Also, I'm sure you've loved less traffic where people who don't need to be on the road aren't on the road! I know I love that.

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Anonymous wrote:Some don't understand.

Some are jealous because they are in a field that doesnt allow such flexibility.

Some can't adjust to workplace evolution. "This is how it's always been done!"

Some think a woman's place in the house is barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen.

Some do not realize that WFH is not the female dream you envision it to be. Working from home often means women doing more work, more responsibilities, more multi-tasking. You replace the commute time with a FULL time worker, cleaner, cook, mother. Impossible to do everything and be everything all at the same time.

I'd much rather go to an office an have clear boundaries. I worked form home for 6 years, and went back to an office on purpose during Covid, before my kids were even back in school. I was quickly burnt out on being all things at all times to everyone.

Fake news. I am a woman who went from 100% WFH to 100% in office. I still have all the same responsibilities with 10 hours less per week to do it due to the added commute. So at the end of the day what ends up getting cut is free time with family.

You have a different perspective doesn’t make the other person’s viewpoint and experiences fake news.

No, this is in our family too.

DP. You have a different experience. Still not fake news. It’s easier for sure with a remote parent, but that parent can end up taking on more hands on and hands off parenting responsibilities and that can definitely lead to burnout. It is better when both parents have flexibility.

That’s not what is happening moron. It’s not like one parent is being recalled while the other is getting more remote days. It’s a net loss of 10 hours for the family. Who gains? I guess CRE, oil and gas, car manufacturers.

Ok, well you have zero self awareness. And along the same lines, the federal government does not employ everyone. For emphasis, not everyone is being recalled because some people were working in office or in hospital while you were working at home. And it is hard for the parent who is at home acting as the catch all for parenting duties while the other person is working and largely unavailable. I am not the PP, but as someone who WFH I can relate to feeling burned out. So step off. This entire conversation is not about your lived experience.

NP. If you and the PP who started this tangent could refrain from sweeping generalizations and simply state your experiences and preferences as your own you'd get a lot less push back. It was hard for you to work from home. It was hard for the original commenter who said "Some do not realize that WFH is not the female dream you envision it to be. Working from home often means women doing more work, more responsibilities, more multi-tasking. You replace the commute time with a FULL time worker, cleaner, cook, mother. Impossible to do everything and be everything all at the same time." Many, many, many people preferred WFH because of the lack of commute, because they could do laundry or run an errand on their lunch break instead of small talk in the office, because they could flex the 15 minutes it took to pick up the kids at the bus. Surely you can see how those things would be nice for many. It's fine if it wasn't your cup of tea, but assuming you had the choice to RTO when WFH didn't work well for you, consider that others would like the ability to make a different choice.

Do you not understand that the entire conversation up until the PP who introduced this tangent was from the perspective of WFH is universally better for parents and moms. No one was stating “my lived experience”. People have different experiences and are going to have different challenges going into an office or WFH. Why can’t that be enough? Why must the conversation devolve into calling people morons because their experience was different.

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Anonymous wrote:People are being brainwashed by Trump and his minions to think WFH is bad.

Trump always had wives and nannies and maids to do all the work. He never had to battle rush hour traffic, come home, cook dinner, and get kids to soccer games. He doesn't understand regular lives.

If you WFH and you don't have to drive two hours a day, it really helps. MAGA doesn't like that. They don't want you to have time with your family.

But also, RTO means you buy gas, tires, cars, oil changes, spend money on lunch (even if you bring it from home), clothes, shoes, dry cleaning, more frequent grooming -- the Trumps of the world want all that money.

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Anonymous wrote:Some don't understand.

Some are jealous because they are in a field that doesnt allow such flexibility.

Some can't adjust to workplace evolution. "This is how it's always been done!"

Some think a woman's place in the house is barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen.

Some do not realize that WFH is not the female dream you envision it to be. Working from home often means women doing more work, more responsibilities, more multi-tasking. You replace the commute time with a FULL time worker, cleaner, cook, mother. Impossible to do everything and be everything all at the same time.

I'd much rather go to an office an have clear boundaries. I worked form home for 6 years, and went back to an office on purpose during Covid, before my kids were even back in school. I was quickly burnt out on being all things at all times to everyone.

Fake news. I am a woman who went from 100% WFH to 100% in office. I still have all the same responsibilities with 10 hours less per week to do it due to the added commute. So at the end of the day what ends up getting cut is free time with family.

You have a different perspective doesn’t make the other person’s viewpoint and experiences fake news.

No, this is in our family too.

DP. You have a different experience. Still not fake news. It’s easier for sure with a remote parent, but that parent can end up taking on more hands on and hands off parenting responsibilities and that can definitely lead to burnout. It is better when both parents have flexibility.

That’s not what is happening moron. It’s not like one parent is being recalled while the other is getting more remote days. It’s a net loss of 10 hours for the family. Who gains? I guess CRE, oil and gas, car manufacturers.

Ok, well you have zero self awareness. And along the same lines, the federal government does not employ everyone. For emphasis, not everyone is being recalled because some people were working in office or in hospital while you were working at home. And it is hard for the parent who is at home acting as the catch all for parenting duties while the other person is working and largely unavailable. I am not the PP, but as someone who WFH I can relate to feeling burned out. So step off. This entire conversation is not about your lived experience.

NP. If you and the PP who started this tangent could refrain from sweeping generalizations and simply state your experiences and preferences as your own you'd get a lot less push back. It was hard for you to work from home. It was hard for the original commenter who said "Some do not realize that WFH is not the female dream you envision it to be. Working from home often means women doing more work, more responsibilities, more multi-tasking. You replace the commute time with a FULL time worker, cleaner, cook, mother. Impossible to do everything and be everything all at the same time." Many, many, many people preferred WFH because of the lack of commute, because they could do laundry or run an errand on their lunch break instead of small talk in the office, because they could flex the 15 minutes it took to pick up the kids at the bus. Surely you can see how those things would be nice for many. It's fine if it wasn't your cup of tea, but assuming you had the choice to RTO when WFH didn't work well for you, consider that others would like the ability to make a different choice.

Do you not understand that the entire conversation up until the PP who introduced this tangent was from the perspective of WFH is universally better for parents and moms. No one was stating “my lived experience”. People have different experiences and are going to have different challenges going into an office or WFH. Why can’t that be enough? Why must the conversation devolve into calling people morons because their experience was different.

I agree. The same thing happens when moms (it's usually moms!) scale back to PT work. They may only work 30 hours a week, compared to 40, but they are doing all the house/kid/pet stuff, which adds up to more than 10 hours a week. It makes sense to the FT worker since they have "way more" free time. Honestly, I'd rather just work FT and split duties evenly. Or work FT and hire more things out.

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Some have seen the flexibilities abused and think everyone should be denied because a few people cheat. And/or they think everyone cheats.

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Anonymous wrote:People are being brainwashed by Trump and his minions to think WFH is bad.

Trump always had wives and nannies and maids to do all the work. He never had to battle rush hour traffic, come home, cook dinner, and get kids to soccer games. He doesn't understand regular lives.

If you WFH and you don't have to drive two hours a day, it really helps. MAGA doesn't like that. They don't want you to have time with your family.

And you care about all the other people who cannot work from home? Or are you just happily using their services while enjoying your “perk” of working from your living room? What if we all just worked from home from now on, what do you think? That would only be fair for everyone to have that extra time with their family and no commute, right?

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Anonymous wrote:People are being brainwashed by Trump and his minions to think WFH is bad.

Trump always had wives and nannies and maids to do all the work. He never had to battle rush hour traffic, come home, cook dinner, and get kids to soccer games. He doesn't understand regular lives.

If you WFH and you don't have to drive two hours a day, it really helps. MAGA doesn't like that. They don't want you to have time with your family.

And you care about all the other people who cannot work from home? Or are you just happily using their services while enjoying your “perk” of working from your living room? What if we all just worked from home from now on, what do you think? That would only be fair for everyone to have that extra time with their family and no commute, right?

What if we all got $200k bonuses? What if we all got 20% 401k matches? What if we all had on-site daycare? Sad how many adults on this forum whine about fairness. No, not everyone can WFH moron. But it is a good option for many people and it benefits society.

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Anonymous wrote:Some don't understand.

Some are jealous because they are in a field that doesnt allow such flexibility.

Some can't adjust to workplace evolution. "This is how it's always been done!"

Some think a woman's place in the house is barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen.

Some do not realize that WFH is not the female dream you envision it to be. Working from home often means women doing more work, more responsibilities, more multi-tasking. You replace the commute time with a FULL time worker, cleaner, cook, mother. Impossible to do everything and be everything all at the same time.

I'd much rather go to an office an have clear boundaries. I worked form home for 6 years, and went back to an office on purpose during Covid, before my kids were even back in school. I was quickly burnt out on being all things at all times to everyone.

Fake news. I am a woman who went from 100% WFH to 100% in office. I still have all the same responsibilities with 10 hours less per week to do it due to the added commute. So at the end of the day what ends up getting cut is free time with family.

You have a different perspective doesn’t make the other person’s viewpoint and experiences fake news.

No, this is in our family too.

DP. You have a different experience. Still not fake news. It’s easier for sure with a remote parent, but that parent can end up taking on more hands on and hands off parenting responsibilities and that can definitely lead to burnout. It is better when both parents have flexibility.

That’s not what is happening moron. It’s not like one parent is being recalled while the other is getting more remote days. It’s a net loss of 10 hours for the family. Who gains? I guess CRE, oil and gas, car manufacturers.

Ok, well you have zero self awareness. And along the same lines, the federal government does not employ everyone. For emphasis, not everyone is being recalled because some people were working in office or in hospital while you were working at home. And it is hard for the parent who is at home acting as the catch all for parenting duties while the other person is working and largely unavailable. I am not the PP, but as someone who WFH I can relate to feeling burned out. So step off. This entire conversation is not about your lived experience.

Because with rto people still have to work evenings and weekends on top of that 60-90 minute commute. You may get to leave the work in the office but if you work for a global company it’s different. Everyone is still on zoom calls. It’s silly. Their experience is valid. You cannot relate if you are still wfh.

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Anonymous wrote:People are being brainwashed by Trump and his minions to think WFH is bad.

Trump always had wives and nannies and maids to do all the work. He never had to battle rush hour traffic, come home, cook dinner, and get kids to soccer games. He doesn't understand regular lives.

If you WFH and you don't have to drive two hours a day, it really helps. MAGA doesn't like that. They don't want you to have time with your family.

And you care about all the other people who cannot work from home? Or are you just happily using their services while enjoying your “perk” of working from your living room? What if we all just worked from home from now on, what do you think? That would only be fair for everyone to have that extra time with their family and no commute, right?

You choose the job and profession. One has nothing to do with the other. Many doctors and others are working from home. Bulk of my doctors are phone call, not even virtual.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some have seen the flexibilities abused and think everyone should be denied because a few people cheat. And/or they think everyone cheats.

People who write that everyone who WFH cheats are just revealing their own low character.

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Anonymous wrote:People are being brainwashed by Trump and his minions to think WFH is bad.

Trump always had wives and nannies and maids to do all the work. He never had to battle rush hour traffic, come home, cook dinner, and get kids to soccer games. He doesn't understand regular lives.

If you WFH and you don't have to drive two hours a day, it really helps. MAGA doesn't like that. They don't want you to have time with your family.

And you care about all the other people who cannot work from home? Or are you just happily using their services while enjoying your “perk” of working from your living room? What if we all just worked from home from now on, what do you think? That would only be fair for everyone to have that extra time with their family and no commute, right?

So unless everyone can have it, no one can have it?

That’s communism. And stupid.

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Anonymous wrote:People are being brainwashed by Trump and his minions to think WFH is bad.

Trump always had wives and nannies and maids to do all the work. He never had to battle rush hour traffic, come home, cook dinner, and get kids to soccer games. He doesn't understand regular lives.

If you WFH and you don't have to drive two hours a day, it really helps. MAGA doesn't like that. They don't want you to have time with your family.

But also, RTO means you buy gas, tires, cars, oil changes, spend money on lunch (even if you bring it from home), clothes, shoes, dry cleaning, more frequent grooming -- the Trumps of the world want all that money.

Teacher have all of these expenses even though they don't make bank to pay for it. Maybe that's why they are leaving the profession. I was demonized as a teacher when my district decided to teach virtually. I was told I was lazy, didn't care about my students, etc. Then I am sent back to school in person and am called a bad mom because my kids are in daycare from 7am-6pm. We can't win. If I could quit, I would've done it ages ago.