Did you take the middle school start times survey?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It actually makes perfect sense.
1) they only want to know how it affects middle schoolers who are actually in middle school. Not a kindergarten or senior parent.
2) if they move middle school they have to move everything else. Options include 10am elementary school among others. So they have to ask how time changes will affect other grade levels.
3)They have received enough opinions, they want facts. Is your child actually not getting enough sleep or do you just not like it? What are the ramifications on families of changing times?
4)There was a comment area so you were free to put in a comment. (Although I took both a staff and parent survey so I might be mixing those up).

You are definitely mixing them up and no, it doesn’t make sense. The questions only asked if we are OK with our elementary school’s current start time and where our kids go to school. That was it. And who cares what parents of current middle schoolers think? Those kids will be out of middle school by the time they implement this change. I have a fifth grader who it would actually affect, yet there was no avenue to express my opinion about whether or not I think middle school start times should be moved. Nor were there any questions associated with ramifications. I guess your education degree didn’t go over survey design. They really could not have written a worse survey if they tried.

+1
I have an 8th grader. So it would make sense to ask me about HS schedules. He’ll be done with MS by the time changes happen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I took the staff survey this morning, but I don’t remember a comment section:

I also took the staff survey, and there was no comment section.

There was an email address to which to send further comment. The address doesn't work, though, and the messages bounced back.

Sorry. I took 3 school surveys yesterday so it was probably the other school survey I took.

As for people’s opinions- everyone in FFX thinks their opinion is extremely important and everyone should listen to them. That’s our area. They just want facts. How much sleep to you get? How much sleep does your child actually get? Not what you think will happen for your fifth grader in a year or two, but an actual present day experience. And then how it affects childcare or after school responsibilities. They have chosen their fact based (when possible) priorities. They can’t listen to the opinions of everyone because they are all different- as noted by some people who love early mornings and some people who love sleeping in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I took the staff survey this morning, but I don’t remember a comment section:

I also took the staff survey, and there was no comment section.

There was an email address to which to send further comment. The address doesn't work, though, and the messages bounced back.

Sorry. I took 3 school surveys yesterday so it was probably the other school survey I took.

As for people’s opinions- everyone in FFX thinks their opinion is extremely important and everyone should listen to them. That’s our area. They just want facts. How much sleep to you get? How much sleep does your child actually get? Not what you think will happen for your fifth grader in a year or two, but an actual present day experience. And then how it affects childcare or after school responsibilities. They have chosen their fact based (when possible) priorities. They can’t listen to the opinions of everyone because they are all different- as noted by some people who love early mornings and some people who love sleeping in.

With every post you demonstrate your lack of understanding of research. Not all survey questions are designed to assess people‘s opinions. This survey did not even bother to try to collect relevant facts, such as the implications of adjusting middle school start times on childcare and other factors that will inevitably be affected when all school start times change. Middle school start times aren’t changing in a vacuum. They obviously do not want to understand all of the implications of this decision, because then it would lead them to the conclusion that they are creating more problems than they’re solving.

Maybe stay in your lane of working with kids, you don’t sound like you know too much else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I took the staff survey this morning, but I don’t remember a comment section:

I also took the staff survey, and there was no comment section.

There was an email address to which to send further comment. The address doesn't work, though, and the messages bounced back.

Sorry. I took 3 school surveys yesterday so it was probably the other school survey I took.

As for people’s opinions- everyone in FFX thinks their opinion is extremely important and everyone should listen to them. That’s our area. They just want facts. How much sleep to you get? How much sleep does your child actually get? Not what you think will happen for your fifth grader in a year or two, but an actual present day experience. And then how it affects childcare or after school responsibilities. They have chosen their fact based (when possible) priorities. They can’t listen to the opinions of everyone because they are all different- as noted by some people who love early mornings and some people who love sleeping in.

With every post you demonstrate your lack of understanding of research. Not all survey questions are designed to assess people‘s opinions. This survey did not even bother to try to collect relevant facts, such as the implications of adjusting middle school start times on childcare and other factors that will inevitably be affected when all school start times change. Middle school start times aren’t changing in a vacuum. They obviously do not want to understand all of the implications of this decision, because then it would lead them to the conclusion that they are creating more problems than they’re solving.

Maybe stay in your lane of working with kids, you don’t sound like you know too much else.

So I looked back and they asked high schoolers if it would affect them caring for a sibling or affect a job and they asked staff if it would affect their childcare needs. I don’t have an elementary school kid so I did not see that they didn’t ask the same about childcare for elementary school kids. Definitely an oversight on their part.

[Anonymous]

It’s a very different survey depending on your reply. There are questions about amount of sleep your child gets if you have a middle school child but just the few basic questions with an elementary schooler. You have to put in all the choices to see everything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s a very different survey depending on your reply. There are questions about amount of sleep your child gets if you have a middle school child but just the few basic questions with an elementary schooler. You have to put in all the choices to see everything.

So basically we can game the survey by saying we have a current middle schooler and answer that they get enough sleep, if we don’t want start times to change? Pretty dumb of them not to have any way to verify whether respondents are being truthful about their children’s ages.

[Anonymous]

just fill it out mutliple times indicating middle schooler and that's its too early. All school at all levels should only be between the hours of 8am-4pm that is normal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:just fill it out mutliple times indicating middle schooler and that's its too early. All school at all levels should only be between the hours of 8am-4pm that is normal.

Your "normal" is simply unaffordable and unrealistic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I took the staff survey this morning, but I don’t remember a comment section:

I also took the staff survey, and there was no comment section.

There was an email address to which to send further comment. The address doesn't work, though, and the messages bounced back.

Sorry. I took 3 school surveys yesterday so it was probably the other school survey I took.

As for people’s opinions- everyone in FFX thinks their opinion is extremely important and everyone should listen to them. That’s our area. They just want facts. How much sleep to you get? How much sleep does your child actually get? Not what you think will happen for your fifth grader in a year or two, but an actual present day experience. And then how it affects childcare or after school responsibilities. They have chosen their fact based (when possible) priorities. They can’t listen to the opinions of everyone because they are all different- as noted by some people who love early mornings and some people who love sleeping in.

A third grader cpild have written that survey.

We paid $500,000 forthis consultant to write crap surveys.

FCPC could have taken that money and given 1000 middle school teachers a $500.00 bonus.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:just fill it out mutliple times indicating middle schooler and that's its too early. All school at all levels should only be between the hours of 8am-4pm that is normal.

Nope.

Keep the schedule as is.

[Anonymous]

The secondary schools (Lake Braddock, South County and Robinson) have the same later schedule as the high schools.

If there some miraculous achievement link extra sleep benefit to moving middle schools later, we would see it in those 3 schools compared to their neighboring middle schools of Irving, Frost and Liberty.

There is no discernable difference between the later starting secondary middle schools, and their neighboring stand alone middle schools.

Keep the schedule as is. The proof is right there that 30 minutes does not make one iota difference in outcome.

[Anonymous]

Kids shouldn't have to be out the door by 6:15am to catch a bus in the dark, regardless of whether or not it affects academic outcome.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The secondary schools (Lake Braddock, South County and Robinson) have the same later schedule as the high schools.

If there some miraculous achievement link extra sleep benefit to moving middle schools later, we would see it in those 3 schools compared to their neighboring middle schools of Irving, Frost and Liberty.

There is no discernable difference between the later starting secondary middle schools, and their neighboring stand alone middle schools.

Keep the schedule as is. The proof is right there that 30 minutes does not make one iota difference in outcome.

Quite right.

[Anonymous]

It appears you could just take it over and over.

[Anonymous]

I'll just say that you can say your child is in middle school even if he's not. Nobody checks.