WARNING: Tipping traps – Suggested tips based on total after tax (not your food bill!)

[Anonymous]

If the IRS change the tax code to reflect tax free tips, as in tips are no longer taxable income, I will reduce my tipping. All my income is taxed, so why not tips.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Warning - you might spend an extra $3 if you fall for this trap? What?

That’s not the point.

DP. Yes it is. Hate cheap people. Maybe dinning out is not for you?

[Anonymous]

Don't agonize over it.

Tip a good waitress or bartender well if you are a repeat customer.

For bad service don't tip at all.

[Anonymous]

You are petty af op. If a few dollars is going to break you just don’t go out to eat.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Tip properly but please stop telling people “if you can afford to eat out you can afford to tip generously”. Do you apply this thinking to everything? If I can afford to pay $25000 for a car then I can afford to pay $28000?

If that additional $3k were going directly to the person who assisted you, and that was built into their expected pay structure, then I'd say if you can't afford the additional $3k, you can't afford the car.

Dining out is a luxury. In my city the restaurants are bursting to overflowing--with people who will tip. Don't take up space and time in a restaurant and then not play the game.

But how am I supposed to know to know what their expected pay structure is? Should they walk around with a sign?

It has been the pay structure of wait staff since before you were born. Don't act cute.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I tip 10 to 20% based on quality of service. I don't care if it's pre or post tax.

Tipping 10% often costs your server money. If you can't afford to tip 20%, do not eat out. If you receive excellent service, feel free to leave more. I doubt you would though.

Sigh. I saw the John Oliver segment on tips, PP. I know. But I refuse to be the one paying that extra tax on meals. I come from a country where waiters and waitresses get fair living wages. If everyone keeps tipping wait staff to compensate for entirely inhumane wages, guess what? Politicians won't do a darn thing about it. We need to pressure politicians to enact fair wages for that population, and part of that pressure means not being left holding the bag. Some states have implemented this already, and it hasn't led to the death of their restaurant industry!

So I think you have entirely the wrong approach. I'm not tipping to get the waiter to a living wage. I want as many American states as possible to pay wait staff a decent wage.

The only person worse than the OP (cheap and bad at math) are those who try to disguise their cheapness by asserting they are making some kind of political statement, or trying to change the status quo (cheap and dishonest about it). Guess what? You stiffing your server does absolutely nothing to "pressure politicians to enact fair wages" - all it does is stiff your server. You are not taking a principled stand, you are being a selfish jerk, and trying to rationalize it.

Also, news flash - if your servers were paid a fair wage, the price of your meal would increase, and you'd be paying the same thing you would be if you tipped. I agree, though, that would be better for everyone, because then servers wouldn't have to contend with a-holes like you, who try to save a few bucks at their expense by claiming they are acting for the common good.

YOU are the one with the problem. You don't get to tell people what to do with their money. Especially to someone who explicitly told you they were ready to bear the taxpayer costs of a law that guarantees higher wages for restaurant workers.

It's easy to say this when it's nowhere near coming to pass. It's like men who say "I would gladly carry a child." Talk is cheap.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Tip properly but please stop telling people “if you can afford to eat out you can afford to tip generously”. Do you apply this thinking to everything? If I can afford to pay $25000 for a car then I can afford to pay $28000?

If that additional $3k were going directly to the person who assisted you, and that was built into their expected pay structure, then I'd say if you can't afford the additional $3k, you can't afford the car.

Dining out is a luxury. In my city the restaurants are bursting to overflowing--with people who will tip. Don't take up space and time in a restaurant and then not play the game.

What city and what time of day? In DC, a lot of restaurants closed. They didn’t make it.

NYC, day or night.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Tip properly but please stop telling people “if you can afford to eat out you can afford to tip generously”. Do you apply this thinking to everything? If I can afford to pay $25000 for a car then I can afford to pay $28000?

If that additional $3k were going directly to the person who assisted you, and that was built into their expected pay structure, then I'd say if you can't afford the additional $3k, you can't afford the car.

Dining out is a luxury. In my city the restaurants are bursting to overflowing--with people who will tip. Don't take up space and time in a restaurant and then not play the game.

But how am I supposed to know to know what their expected pay structure is? Should they walk around with a sign?

But you do know the pay structure of waiters. That’s why we tip unless your hi k someone should serve you for $3/hour.

At a table service, sure, I know their pay structure. But what about Chipotle or a place where I order at the counter? Or a barista?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If the IRS change the tax code to reflect tax free tips, as in tips are no longer taxable income, I will reduce my tipping. All my income is taxed, so why not tips.

Eh, most people who depend on tip fall in a low enough tax bracket that they don't pay any, or much, tax.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Tip properly but please stop telling people “if you can afford to eat out you can afford to tip generously”. Do you apply this thinking to everything? If I can afford to pay $25000 for a car then I can afford to pay $28000?

If that additional $3k were going directly to the person who assisted you, and that was built into their expected pay structure, then I'd say if you can't afford the additional $3k, you can't afford the car.

Dining out is a luxury. In my city the restaurants are bursting to overflowing--with people who will tip. Don't take up space and time in a restaurant and then not play the game.

But how am I supposed to know to know what their expected pay structure is? Should they walk around with a sign?

But you do know the pay structure of waiters. That’s why we tip unless your hi k someone should serve you for $3/hour.

At a table service, sure, I know their pay structure. But what about Chipotle or a place where I order at the counter? Or a barista?

DP but it varies by location. Some get full scale wages plus tips, some get full wages plus pooled shared tips, some get wages and no tips allowed, some work solely on tips. It's all over the place, there is no standard.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If the IRS change the tax code to reflect tax free tips, as in tips are no longer taxable income, I will reduce my tipping. All my income is taxed, so why not tips.

Eh, most people who depend on tip fall in a low enough tax bracket that they don't pay any, or much, tax.

Ummmmmm no.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I tip 10 to 20% based on quality of service. I don't care if it's pre or post tax.

Tipping 10% often costs your server money. If you can't afford to tip 20%, do not eat out. If you receive excellent service, feel free to leave more. I doubt you would though.

Sigh. I saw the John Oliver segment on tips, PP. I know. But I refuse to be the one paying that extra tax on meals. I come from a country where waiters and waitresses get fair living wages. If everyone keeps tipping wait staff to compensate for entirely inhumane wages, guess what? Politicians won't do a darn thing about it. We need to pressure politicians to enact fair wages for that population, and part of that pressure means not being left holding the bag. Some states have implemented this already, and it hasn't led to the death of their restaurant industry!

So I think you have entirely the wrong approach. I'm not tipping to get the waiter to a living wage. I want as many American states as possible to pay wait staff a decent wage.

The only person worse than the OP (cheap and bad at math) are those who try to disguise their cheapness by asserting they are making some kind of political statement, or trying to change the status quo (cheap and dishonest about it). Guess what? You stiffing your server does absolutely nothing to "pressure politicians to enact fair wages" - all it does is stiff your server. You are not taking a principled stand, you are being a selfish jerk, and trying to rationalize it.

Also, news flash - if your servers were paid a fair wage, the price of your meal would increase, and you'd be paying the same thing you would be if you tipped. I agree, though, that would be better for everyone, because then servers wouldn't have to contend with a-holes like you, who try to save a few bucks at their expense by claiming they are acting for the common good.

YOU are the one with the problem. You don't get to tell people what to do with their money. Especially to someone who explicitly told you they were ready to bear the taxpayer costs of a law that guarantees higher wages for restaurant workers.

If you look back, you'll see that I didn't tell the PP (you?) what to do. But just as she's free to do as she likes, I'm free to have an opinion about it. And my opinion is that she's cheap and dishonest.

Also, "taxpayer costs?" There are no taxpayer costs. It's the cost of eating out.

PS - In case you are wondering, my opinion of you is that you have terrible reading comprehension and oddly defensive about this. If you're the PP, add that to the list.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Tip properly but please stop telling people “if you can afford to eat out you can afford to tip generously”. Do you apply this thinking to everything? If I can afford to pay $25000 for a car then I can afford to pay $28000?

If that additional $3k were going directly to the person who assisted you, and that was built into their expected pay structure, then I'd say if you can't afford the additional $3k, you can't afford the car.

Dining out is a luxury. In my city the restaurants are bursting to overflowing--with people who will tip. Don't take up space and time in a restaurant and then not play the game.

But how am I supposed to know to know what their expected pay structure is? Should they walk around with a sign?

But you do know the pay structure of waiters. That’s why we tip unless your hi k someone should serve you for $3/hour.

At a table service, sure, I know their pay structure. But what about Chipotle or a place where I order at the counter? Or a barista?

They are not paid the tipped wage. Feel free to tip, or not tip, as you like.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If the IRS change the tax code to reflect tax free tips, as in tips are no longer taxable income, I will reduce my tipping. All my income is taxed, so why not tips.

Don't hold your breath on that. Politicians are addicted to free tax money to spend willynilly. All politicians are addicts to it.

[Anonymous]

The restaurant biz is in trouble. People have less $ and RTO hasn’t impacted lunch and HH as much as expected.

Frankly having a device shoved in my face demanding 20% for fast casual is just a poor experience.

I dine out much less often at both sit down and fast casual environments and tipping culture is definitely a part of that.

I may reconsider my stance once all of my kids college funds are full. Until then, I prefer to keep more money in my pockets. The service is poor and food low quality.