question for cyclists in NWDC

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Anonymous wrote:The simple truth is that Wisconsin is an important and heavily utilized road and there's not enough demonstrated demand.

If you want to get more complicated then it's because the Ward 3 council member, Frumin, and lots of other powerful people live off of Wisconsin, it's already a traffic cluster, the space has been taken up by streeteries, and an absolute maelstrom of discontent was sparked by the attempt to sneak bike lanes through on Connecticut during the pandemic.

OMG here we go again with this BS.

The bike lanes on Connecticut Avenue were not snuck thru during the pandemic.

There were something like 200 public meetings and specifically because of the pandemic they were very well attended.

The ANC 3C meeting when the proposal was voted on had something like 200 attendees (most of whom supported bike lanes) which is about 4 times the number of people that usually attend a 3C meeting.

There was not a maelstrom of discontent - a bunch of entitled drivers who don't like to share (many of whom live in MD) scared the Mayor so we are stuck with a highway running down Connecticut Avenue instead of a street that serves the people who live on it.

Approximately 175 of them didn't live in that ANC. And let me stop you before you trot out "the bike lanes were supported by every ANC commissioner along the avenue." Nearly all of those ANC commissioners ran unopposed. Please stop your truly inane assertion that this equals some sort of mandate. You sound like a cretin when you do that.

A lot of the ANC commissioners were recruited by Greater Greater Washington and the Trump lobbyist who runs DC Smart Growth.

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Yes, we all know Donald Trump cares a lot about multimodal transportation and urban density.

TrumpWorld is full of extreme property rights/pro-deregulation Libertarians. The overlap with “smart growth” and big development in DC isn’t surprising at all.

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-gets-bad-news-his-own-pollsters-firm-1814645

That may be. As far as I'm concerned, though, Donald Trump, libertarians, and real estate developers can all get stuffed. All I want is a relatively safe, relatively direct way to occasionally ride my bike from my single-family house to my office.

Good news! That already exists. Get on the Cap Crescent Trail and join the dozens doing so already.

DP. Similarly, drivers who want to get from Chevy Chase to Dupont Circle should join the many drivers on the GW Parkway.

Well they certainly shouldn't get a brand new bespoke route for their occassional use virtually private use because they decided to buy a $2 million house in a neighborhood that doesn't have the transportation connections they want.

When we were house shopping proximity to CC trail was definitely on the list.

That's nice for you, but obviously this is not an option available to everyone.

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Anonymous wrote:The simple truth is that Wisconsin is an important and heavily utilized road and there's not enough demonstrated demand.

If you want to get more complicated then it's because the Ward 3 council member, Frumin, and lots of other powerful people live off of Wisconsin, it's already a traffic cluster, the space has been taken up by streeteries, and an absolute maelstrom of discontent was sparked by the attempt to sneak bike lanes through on Connecticut during the pandemic.

OMG here we go again with this BS.

The bike lanes on Connecticut Avenue were not snuck thru during the pandemic.

There were something like 200 public meetings and specifically because of the pandemic they were very well attended.

The ANC 3C meeting when the proposal was voted on had something like 200 attendees (most of whom supported bike lanes) which is about 4 times the number of people that usually attend a 3C meeting.

There was not a maelstrom of discontent - a bunch of entitled drivers who don't like to share (many of whom live in MD) scared the Mayor so we are stuck with a highway running down Connecticut Avenue instead of a street that serves the people who live on it.

Approximately 175 of them didn't live in that ANC. And let me stop you before you trot out "the bike lanes were supported by every ANC commissioner along the avenue." Nearly all of those ANC commissioners ran unopposed. Please stop your truly inane assertion that this equals some sort of mandate. You sound like a cretin when you do that.

A lot of the ANC commissioners were recruited by Greater Greater Washington and the Trump lobbyist who runs DC Smart Growth.

'

Yes, we all know Donald Trump cares a lot about multimodal transportation and urban density.

TrumpWorld is full of extreme property rights/pro-deregulation Libertarians. The overlap with “smart growth” and big development in DC isn’t surprising at all.

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-gets-bad-news-his-own-pollsters-firm-1814645

That may be. As far as I'm concerned, though, Donald Trump, libertarians, and real estate developers can all get stuffed. All I want is a relatively safe, relatively direct way to occasionally ride my bike from my single-family house to my office.

Good news! That already exists. Get on the Cap Crescent Trail and join the dozens doing so already.

DP. Similarly, drivers who want to get from Chevy Chase to Dupont Circle should join the many drivers on the GW Parkway.

Well they certainly shouldn't get a brand new bespoke route for their occassional use virtually private use because they decided to buy a $2 million house in a neighborhood that doesn't have the transportation connections they want.

When we were house shopping proximity to CC trail was definitely on the list.

Exactly. We did the same thing with Rock Creek. Considering the cost of these neighborhoods it boggles my mind that some people seemingly didn't do any basic research on something they supposedly care about.

I hope you're not taking the position that people who want to be able to bicycle safely to their childcare or their office should have had the foresight to pay a lot of money to live near the Capital Crescent Trail and/or Rock Creek, and if they didn't, too bad.

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Anonymous wrote:The simple truth is that Wisconsin is an important and heavily utilized road and there's not enough demonstrated demand.

If you want to get more complicated then it's because the Ward 3 council member, Frumin, and lots of other powerful people live off of Wisconsin, it's already a traffic cluster, the space has been taken up by streeteries, and an absolute maelstrom of discontent was sparked by the attempt to sneak bike lanes through on Connecticut during the pandemic.

OMG here we go again with this BS.

The bike lanes on Connecticut Avenue were not snuck thru during the pandemic.

There were something like 200 public meetings and specifically because of the pandemic they were very well attended.

The ANC 3C meeting when the proposal was voted on had something like 200 attendees (most of whom supported bike lanes) which is about 4 times the number of people that usually attend a 3C meeting.

There was not a maelstrom of discontent - a bunch of entitled drivers who don't like to share (many of whom live in MD) scared the Mayor so we are stuck with a highway running down Connecticut Avenue instead of a street that serves the people who live on it.

Approximately 175 of them didn't live in that ANC. And let me stop you before you trot out "the bike lanes were supported by every ANC commissioner along the avenue." Nearly all of those ANC commissioners ran unopposed. Please stop your truly inane assertion that this equals some sort of mandate. You sound like a cretin when you do that.

A lot of the ANC commissioners were recruited by Greater Greater Washington and the Trump lobbyist who runs DC Smart Growth.

'

Yes, we all know Donald Trump cares a lot about multimodal transportation and urban density.

TrumpWorld is full of extreme property rights/pro-deregulation Libertarians. The overlap with “smart growth” and big development in DC isn’t surprising at all.

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-gets-bad-news-his-own-pollsters-firm-1814645

That may be. As far as I'm concerned, though, Donald Trump, libertarians, and real estate developers can all get stuffed. All I want is a relatively safe, relatively direct way to occasionally ride my bike from my single-family house to my office.

Good news! That already exists. Get on the Cap Crescent Trail and join the dozens doing so already.

DP. Similarly, drivers who want to get from Chevy Chase to Dupont Circle should join the many drivers on the GW Parkway.

Well they certainly shouldn't get a brand new bespoke route for their occassional use virtually private use because they decided to buy a $2 million house in a neighborhood that doesn't have the transportation connections they want.

When we were house shopping proximity to CC trail was definitely on the list.

Exactly. We did the same thing with Rock Creek. Considering the cost of these neighborhoods it boggles my mind that some people seemingly didn't do any basic research on something they supposedly care about.

I hope you're not taking the position that people who want to be able to bicycle safely to their childcare or their office should have had the foresight to pay a lot of money to live near the Capital Crescent Trail and/or Rock Creek, and if they didn't, too bad.

If a specific amenity is that important for someone then they should have considered that before they spent $2 million on a house. There are dozens of neighborhoods within the region that meet their requirements. Heck, most of them are cheaper so they would have saved money had they only done the barest minimum of research.

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Anonymous wrote:The simple truth is that Wisconsin is an important and heavily utilized road and there's not enough demonstrated demand.

If you want to get more complicated then it's because the Ward 3 council member, Frumin, and lots of other powerful people live off of Wisconsin, it's already a traffic cluster, the space has been taken up by streeteries, and an absolute maelstrom of discontent was sparked by the attempt to sneak bike lanes through on Connecticut during the pandemic.

OMG here we go again with this BS.

The bike lanes on Connecticut Avenue were not snuck thru during the pandemic.

There were something like 200 public meetings and specifically because of the pandemic they were very well attended.

The ANC 3C meeting when the proposal was voted on had something like 200 attendees (most of whom supported bike lanes) which is about 4 times the number of people that usually attend a 3C meeting.

There was not a maelstrom of discontent - a bunch of entitled drivers who don't like to share (many of whom live in MD) scared the Mayor so we are stuck with a highway running down Connecticut Avenue instead of a street that serves the people who live on it.

Approximately 175 of them didn't live in that ANC. And let me stop you before you trot out "the bike lanes were supported by every ANC commissioner along the avenue." Nearly all of those ANC commissioners ran unopposed. Please stop your truly inane assertion that this equals some sort of mandate. You sound like a cretin when you do that.

A lot of the ANC commissioners were recruited by Greater Greater Washington and the Trump lobbyist who runs DC Smart Growth.

'

Yes, we all know Donald Trump cares a lot about multimodal transportation and urban density.

TrumpWorld is full of extreme property rights/pro-deregulation Libertarians. The overlap with “smart growth” and big development in DC isn’t surprising at all.

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-gets-bad-news-his-own-pollsters-firm-1814645

That may be. As far as I'm concerned, though, Donald Trump, libertarians, and real estate developers can all get stuffed. All I want is a relatively safe, relatively direct way to occasionally ride my bike from my single-family house to my office.

Good news! That already exists. Get on the Cap Crescent Trail and join the dozens doing so already.

DP. Similarly, drivers who want to get from Chevy Chase to Dupont Circle should join the many drivers on the GW Parkway.

Well they certainly shouldn't get a brand new bespoke route for their occassional use virtually private use because they decided to buy a $2 million house in a neighborhood that doesn't have the transportation connections they want.

When we were house shopping proximity to CC trail was definitely on the list.

Exactly. We did the same thing with Rock Creek. Considering the cost of these neighborhoods it boggles my mind that some people seemingly didn't do any basic research on something they supposedly care about.

I hope you're not taking the position that people who want to be able to bicycle safely to their childcare or their office should have had the foresight to pay a lot of money to live near the Capital Crescent Trail and/or Rock Creek, and if they didn't, too bad.

If a specific amenity is that important for someone then they should have considered that before they spent $2 million on a house. There are dozens of neighborhoods within the region that meet their requirements. Heck, most of them are cheaper so they would have saved money had they only done the barest minimum of research.

What if they decided after they bought their house that they would like to be able to bicycle safely to their childcare or their office? They're out of luck? It's not like it's some super-arcane, rare desire.

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Anonymous wrote:The simple truth is that Wisconsin is an important and heavily utilized road and there's not enough demonstrated demand.

If you want to get more complicated then it's because the Ward 3 council member, Frumin, and lots of other powerful people live off of Wisconsin, it's already a traffic cluster, the space has been taken up by streeteries, and an absolute maelstrom of discontent was sparked by the attempt to sneak bike lanes through on Connecticut during the pandemic.

OMG here we go again with this BS.

The bike lanes on Connecticut Avenue were not snuck thru during the pandemic.

There were something like 200 public meetings and specifically because of the pandemic they were very well attended.

The ANC 3C meeting when the proposal was voted on had something like 200 attendees (most of whom supported bike lanes) which is about 4 times the number of people that usually attend a 3C meeting.

There was not a maelstrom of discontent - a bunch of entitled drivers who don't like to share (many of whom live in MD) scared the Mayor so we are stuck with a highway running down Connecticut Avenue instead of a street that serves the people who live on it.

Approximately 175 of them didn't live in that ANC. And let me stop you before you trot out "the bike lanes were supported by every ANC commissioner along the avenue." Nearly all of those ANC commissioners ran unopposed. Please stop your truly inane assertion that this equals some sort of mandate. You sound like a cretin when you do that.

A lot of the ANC commissioners were recruited by Greater Greater Washington and the Trump lobbyist who runs DC Smart Growth.

'

Yes, we all know Donald Trump cares a lot about multimodal transportation and urban density.

TrumpWorld is full of extreme property rights/pro-deregulation Libertarians. The overlap with “smart growth” and big development in DC isn’t surprising at all.

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-gets-bad-news-his-own-pollsters-firm-1814645

That may be. As far as I'm concerned, though, Donald Trump, libertarians, and real estate developers can all get stuffed. All I want is a relatively safe, relatively direct way to occasionally ride my bike from my single-family house to my office.

Good news! That already exists. Get on the Cap Crescent Trail and join the dozens doing so already.

DP. Similarly, drivers who want to get from Chevy Chase to Dupont Circle should join the many drivers on the GW Parkway.

Well they certainly shouldn't get a brand new bespoke route for their occassional use virtually private use because they decided to buy a $2 million house in a neighborhood that doesn't have the transportation connections they want.

When we were house shopping proximity to CC trail was definitely on the list.

Exactly. We did the same thing with Rock Creek. Considering the cost of these neighborhoods it boggles my mind that some people seemingly didn't do any basic research on something they supposedly care about.

I hope you're not taking the position that people who want to be able to bicycle safely to their childcare or their office should have had the foresight to pay a lot of money to live near the Capital Crescent Trail and/or Rock Creek, and if they didn't, too bad.

If a specific amenity is that important for someone then they should have considered that before they spent $2 million on a house. There are dozens of neighborhoods within the region that meet their requirements. Heck, most of them are cheaper so they would have saved money had they only done the barest minimum of research.

What if they decided after they bought their house that they would like to be able to bicycle safely to their childcare or their office? They're out of luck? It's not like it's some super-arcane, rare desire.

They went to Harvard and spent at least $2 million on a house.in one of the most exclusive parts of the region. I'm not exactly sympathetic to their lack of basic research.

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Anonymous wrote:The simple truth is that Wisconsin is an important and heavily utilized road and there's not enough demonstrated demand.

If you want to get more complicated then it's because the Ward 3 council member, Frumin, and lots of other powerful people live off of Wisconsin, it's already a traffic cluster, the space has been taken up by streeteries, and an absolute maelstrom of discontent was sparked by the attempt to sneak bike lanes through on Connecticut during the pandemic.

OMG here we go again with this BS.

The bike lanes on Connecticut Avenue were not snuck thru during the pandemic.

There were something like 200 public meetings and specifically because of the pandemic they were very well attended.

The ANC 3C meeting when the proposal was voted on had something like 200 attendees (most of whom supported bike lanes) which is about 4 times the number of people that usually attend a 3C meeting.

There was not a maelstrom of discontent - a bunch of entitled drivers who don't like to share (many of whom live in MD) scared the Mayor so we are stuck with a highway running down Connecticut Avenue instead of a street that serves the people who live on it.

Approximately 175 of them didn't live in that ANC. And let me stop you before you trot out "the bike lanes were supported by every ANC commissioner along the avenue." Nearly all of those ANC commissioners ran unopposed. Please stop your truly inane assertion that this equals some sort of mandate. You sound like a cretin when you do that.

A lot of the ANC commissioners were recruited by Greater Greater Washington and the Trump lobbyist who runs DC Smart Growth.

'

Yes, we all know Donald Trump cares a lot about multimodal transportation and urban density.

TrumpWorld is full of extreme property rights/pro-deregulation Libertarians. The overlap with “smart growth” and big development in DC isn’t surprising at all.

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-gets-bad-news-his-own-pollsters-firm-1814645

That may be. As far as I'm concerned, though, Donald Trump, libertarians, and real estate developers can all get stuffed. All I want is a relatively safe, relatively direct way to occasionally ride my bike from my single-family house to my office.

Good news! That already exists. Get on the Cap Crescent Trail and join the dozens doing so already.

DP. Similarly, drivers who want to get from Chevy Chase to Dupont Circle should join the many drivers on the GW Parkway.

Well they certainly shouldn't get a brand new bespoke route for their occassional use virtually private use because they decided to buy a $2 million house in a neighborhood that doesn't have the transportation connections they want.

When we were house shopping proximity to CC trail was definitely on the list.

Exactly. We did the same thing with Rock Creek. Considering the cost of these neighborhoods it boggles my mind that some people seemingly didn't do any basic research on something they supposedly care about.

I hope you're not taking the position that people who want to be able to bicycle safely to their childcare or their office should have had the foresight to pay a lot of money to live near the Capital Crescent Trail and/or Rock Creek, and if they didn't, too bad.

If a specific amenity is that important for someone then they should have considered that before they spent $2 million on a house. There are dozens of neighborhoods within the region that meet their requirements. Heck, most of them are cheaper so they would have saved money had they only done the barest minimum of research.

What if they decided after they bought their house that they would like to be able to bicycle safely to their childcare or their office? They're out of luck? It's not like it's some super-arcane, rare desire.

They went to Harvard and spent at least $2 million on a house.in one of the most exclusive parts of the region. I'm not exactly sympathetic to their lack of basic research.

And so therefore it's unreasonable of them to want to be able to bicycle safely to their childcare or their office? I don't think so.

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Anonymous wrote:The simple truth is that Wisconsin is an important and heavily utilized road and there's not enough demonstrated demand.

If you want to get more complicated then it's because the Ward 3 council member, Frumin, and lots of other powerful people live off of Wisconsin, it's already a traffic cluster, the space has been taken up by streeteries, and an absolute maelstrom of discontent was sparked by the attempt to sneak bike lanes through on Connecticut during the pandemic.

OMG here we go again with this BS.

The bike lanes on Connecticut Avenue were not snuck thru during the pandemic.

There were something like 200 public meetings and specifically because of the pandemic they were very well attended.

The ANC 3C meeting when the proposal was voted on had something like 200 attendees (most of whom supported bike lanes) which is about 4 times the number of people that usually attend a 3C meeting.

There was not a maelstrom of discontent - a bunch of entitled drivers who don't like to share (many of whom live in MD) scared the Mayor so we are stuck with a highway running down Connecticut Avenue instead of a street that serves the people who live on it.

Approximately 175 of them didn't live in that ANC. And let me stop you before you trot out "the bike lanes were supported by every ANC commissioner along the avenue." Nearly all of those ANC commissioners ran unopposed. Please stop your truly inane assertion that this equals some sort of mandate. You sound like a cretin when you do that.

A lot of the ANC commissioners were recruited by Greater Greater Washington and the Trump lobbyist who runs DC Smart Growth.

'

Yes, we all know Donald Trump cares a lot about multimodal transportation and urban density.

TrumpWorld is full of extreme property rights/pro-deregulation Libertarians. The overlap with “smart growth” and big development in DC isn’t surprising at all.

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-gets-bad-news-his-own-pollsters-firm-1814645

That may be. As far as I'm concerned, though, Donald Trump, libertarians, and real estate developers can all get stuffed. All I want is a relatively safe, relatively direct way to occasionally ride my bike from my single-family house to my office.

Good news! That already exists. Get on the Cap Crescent Trail and join the dozens doing so already.

DP. Similarly, drivers who want to get from Chevy Chase to Dupont Circle should join the many drivers on the GW Parkway.

Well they certainly shouldn't get a brand new bespoke route for their occassional use virtually private use because they decided to buy a $2 million house in a neighborhood that doesn't have the transportation connections they want.

When we were house shopping proximity to CC trail was definitely on the list.

Exactly. We did the same thing with Rock Creek. Considering the cost of these neighborhoods it boggles my mind that some people seemingly didn't do any basic research on something they supposedly care about.

I hope you're not taking the position that people who want to be able to bicycle safely to their childcare or their office should have had the foresight to pay a lot of money to live near the Capital Crescent Trail and/or Rock Creek, and if they didn't, too bad.

If a specific amenity is that important for someone then they should have considered that before they spent $2 million on a house. There are dozens of neighborhoods within the region that meet their requirements. Heck, most of them are cheaper so they would have saved money had they only done the barest minimum of research.

What if they decided after they bought their house that they would like to be able to bicycle safely to their childcare or their office? They're out of luck? It's not like it's some super-arcane, rare desire.

They went to Harvard and spent at least $2 million on a house.in one of the most exclusive parts of the region. I'm not exactly sympathetic to their lack of basic research.

And so therefore it's unreasonable of them to want to be able to bicycle safely to their childcare or their office? I don't think so.

It is entirely possible to bike to childcare along Wisconsin Ave. I pulled DC in a trailer, then on a tag a long, Glover Park to Tenleytown, for years. On the sidewalk w DC, return on the street. No problem. Easier now with both ebikes and lots of 25mph zones. In any case many NW cyclists bend their route to utilize Rock Creek Park trail or the Capital Crescent trail to limit car/bike interactions.

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Anonymous wrote:The simple truth is that Wisconsin is an important and heavily utilized road and there's not enough demonstrated demand.

If you want to get more complicated then it's because the Ward 3 council member, Frumin, and lots of other powerful people live off of Wisconsin, it's already a traffic cluster, the space has been taken up by streeteries, and an absolute maelstrom of discontent was sparked by the attempt to sneak bike lanes through on Connecticut during the pandemic.

OMG here we go again with this BS.

The bike lanes on Connecticut Avenue were not snuck thru during the pandemic.

There were something like 200 public meetings and specifically because of the pandemic they were very well attended.

The ANC 3C meeting when the proposal was voted on had something like 200 attendees (most of whom supported bike lanes) which is about 4 times the number of people that usually attend a 3C meeting.

There was not a maelstrom of discontent - a bunch of entitled drivers who don't like to share (many of whom live in MD) scared the Mayor so we are stuck with a highway running down Connecticut Avenue instead of a street that serves the people who live on it.

Approximately 175 of them didn't live in that ANC. And let me stop you before you trot out "the bike lanes were supported by every ANC commissioner along the avenue." Nearly all of those ANC commissioners ran unopposed. Please stop your truly inane assertion that this equals some sort of mandate. You sound like a cretin when you do that.

A lot of the ANC commissioners were recruited by Greater Greater Washington and the Trump lobbyist who runs DC Smart Growth.

'

Yes, we all know Donald Trump cares a lot about multimodal transportation and urban density.

TrumpWorld is full of extreme property rights/pro-deregulation Libertarians. The overlap with “smart growth” and big development in DC isn’t surprising at all.

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-gets-bad-news-his-own-pollsters-firm-1814645

That may be. As far as I'm concerned, though, Donald Trump, libertarians, and real estate developers can all get stuffed. All I want is a relatively safe, relatively direct way to occasionally ride my bike from my single-family house to my office.

Good news! That already exists. Get on the Cap Crescent Trail and join the dozens doing so already.

DP. Similarly, drivers who want to get from Chevy Chase to Dupont Circle should join the many drivers on the GW Parkway.

Well they certainly shouldn't get a brand new bespoke route for their occassional use virtually private use because they decided to buy a $2 million house in a neighborhood that doesn't have the transportation connections they want.

When we were house shopping proximity to CC trail was definitely on the list.

Exactly. We did the same thing with Rock Creek. Considering the cost of these neighborhoods it boggles my mind that some people seemingly didn't do any basic research on something they supposedly care about.

I hope you're not taking the position that people who want to be able to bicycle safely to their childcare or their office should have had the foresight to pay a lot of money to live near the Capital Crescent Trail and/or Rock Creek, and if they didn't, too bad.

If a specific amenity is that important for someone then they should have considered that before they spent $2 million on a house. There are dozens of neighborhoods within the region that meet their requirements. Heck, most of them are cheaper so they would have saved money had they only done the barest minimum of research.

What if they decided after they bought their house that they would like to be able to bicycle safely to their childcare or their office? They're out of luck? It's not like it's some super-arcane, rare desire.

They went to Harvard and spent at least $2 million on a house.in one of the most exclusive parts of the region. I'm not exactly sympathetic to their lack of basic research.

And so therefore it's unreasonable of them to want to be able to bicycle safely to their childcare or their office? I don't think so.

It is entirely possible to bike to childcare along Wisconsin Ave. I pulled DC in a trailer, then on a tag a long, Glover Park to Tenleytown, for years. On the sidewalk w DC, return on the street. No problem. Easier now with both ebikes and lots of 25mph zones. In any case many NW cyclists bend their route to utilize Rock Creek Park trail or the Capital Crescent trail to limit car/bike interactions.

Yes, it's POSSIBLE. It's not comfortable, though. Good for you for doing it, but there ought to be proper bike infrastructure.

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Anonymous wrote:The simple truth is that Wisconsin is an important and heavily utilized road and there's not enough demonstrated demand.

If you want to get more complicated then it's because the Ward 3 council member, Frumin, and lots of other powerful people live off of Wisconsin, it's already a traffic cluster, the space has been taken up by streeteries, and an absolute maelstrom of discontent was sparked by the attempt to sneak bike lanes through on Connecticut during the pandemic.

OMG here we go again with this BS.

The bike lanes on Connecticut Avenue were not snuck thru during the pandemic.

There were something like 200 public meetings and specifically because of the pandemic they were very well attended.

The ANC 3C meeting when the proposal was voted on had something like 200 attendees (most of whom supported bike lanes) which is about 4 times the number of people that usually attend a 3C meeting.

There was not a maelstrom of discontent - a bunch of entitled drivers who don't like to share (many of whom live in MD) scared the Mayor so we are stuck with a highway running down Connecticut Avenue instead of a street that serves the people who live on it.

Approximately 175 of them didn't live in that ANC. And let me stop you before you trot out "the bike lanes were supported by every ANC commissioner along the avenue." Nearly all of those ANC commissioners ran unopposed. Please stop your truly inane assertion that this equals some sort of mandate. You sound like a cretin when you do that.

A lot of the ANC commissioners were recruited by Greater Greater Washington and the Trump lobbyist who runs DC Smart Growth.

'

Yes, we all know Donald Trump cares a lot about multimodal transportation and urban density.

TrumpWorld is full of extreme property rights/pro-deregulation Libertarians. The overlap with “smart growth” and big development in DC isn’t surprising at all.

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-gets-bad-news-his-own-pollsters-firm-1814645

That may be. As far as I'm concerned, though, Donald Trump, libertarians, and real estate developers can all get stuffed. All I want is a relatively safe, relatively direct way to occasionally ride my bike from my single-family house to my office.

Good news! That already exists. Get on the Cap Crescent Trail and join the dozens doing so already.

DP. Similarly, drivers who want to get from Chevy Chase to Dupont Circle should join the many drivers on the GW Parkway.

Well they certainly shouldn't get a brand new bespoke route for their occassional use virtually private use because they decided to buy a $2 million house in a neighborhood that doesn't have the transportation connections they want.

When we were house shopping proximity to CC trail was definitely on the list.

Exactly. We did the same thing with Rock Creek. Considering the cost of these neighborhoods it boggles my mind that some people seemingly didn't do any basic research on something they supposedly care about.

I hope you're not taking the position that people who want to be able to bicycle safely to their childcare or their office should have had the foresight to pay a lot of money to live near the Capital Crescent Trail and/or Rock Creek, and if they didn't, too bad.

If a specific amenity is that important for someone then they should have considered that before they spent $2 million on a house. There are dozens of neighborhoods within the region that meet their requirements. Heck, most of them are cheaper so they would have saved money had they only done the barest minimum of research.

What if they decided after they bought their house that they would like to be able to bicycle safely to their childcare or their office? They're out of luck? It's not like it's some super-arcane, rare desire.

They went to Harvard and spent at least $2 million on a house.in one of the most exclusive parts of the region. I'm not exactly sympathetic to their lack of basic research.

And so therefore it's unreasonable of them to want to be able to bicycle safely to their childcare or their office? I don't think so.

If they were trying to replicate Harvard then they should have gone to Georgetown not AU.

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Anonymous wrote:The simple truth is that Wisconsin is an important and heavily utilized road and there's not enough demonstrated demand.

If you want to get more complicated then it's because the Ward 3 council member, Frumin, and lots of other powerful people live off of Wisconsin, it's already a traffic cluster, the space has been taken up by streeteries, and an absolute maelstrom of discontent was sparked by the attempt to sneak bike lanes through on Connecticut during the pandemic.

OMG here we go again with this BS.

The bike lanes on Connecticut Avenue were not snuck thru during the pandemic.

There were something like 200 public meetings and specifically because of the pandemic they were very well attended.

The ANC 3C meeting when the proposal was voted on had something like 200 attendees (most of whom supported bike lanes) which is about 4 times the number of people that usually attend a 3C meeting.

There was not a maelstrom of discontent - a bunch of entitled drivers who don't like to share (many of whom live in MD) scared the Mayor so we are stuck with a highway running down Connecticut Avenue instead of a street that serves the people who live on it.

Approximately 175 of them didn't live in that ANC. And let me stop you before you trot out "the bike lanes were supported by every ANC commissioner along the avenue." Nearly all of those ANC commissioners ran unopposed. Please stop your truly inane assertion that this equals some sort of mandate. You sound like a cretin when you do that.

A lot of the ANC commissioners were recruited by Greater Greater Washington and the Trump lobbyist who runs DC Smart Growth.

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Yes, we all know Donald Trump cares a lot about multimodal transportation and urban density.

TrumpWorld is full of extreme property rights/pro-deregulation Libertarians. The overlap with “smart growth” and big development in DC isn’t surprising at all.

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-gets-bad-news-his-own-pollsters-firm-1814645

That may be. As far as I'm concerned, though, Donald Trump, libertarians, and real estate developers can all get stuffed. All I want is a relatively safe, relatively direct way to occasionally ride my bike from my single-family house to my office.

Good news! That already exists. Get on the Cap Crescent Trail and join the dozens doing so already.

DP. Similarly, drivers who want to get from Chevy Chase to Dupont Circle should join the many drivers on the GW Parkway.

Well they certainly shouldn't get a brand new bespoke route for their occassional use virtually private use because they decided to buy a $2 million house in a neighborhood that doesn't have the transportation connections they want.

When we were house shopping proximity to CC trail was definitely on the list.

That's nice for you, but obviously this is not an option available to everyone.

It was definitely an option for anyone who bought where PP did. At that price point they could have purchased a home anywhere in the region. They chose the neighborhood without the amenity they wanted and paid more for it than houses in neighborhoods that have what they want.

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Anonymous wrote:The simple truth is that Wisconsin is an important and heavily utilized road and there's not enough demonstrated demand.

If you want to get more complicated then it's because the Ward 3 council member, Frumin, and lots of other powerful people live off of Wisconsin, it's already a traffic cluster, the space has been taken up by streeteries, and an absolute maelstrom of discontent was sparked by the attempt to sneak bike lanes through on Connecticut during the pandemic.

OMG here we go again with this BS.

The bike lanes on Connecticut Avenue were not snuck thru during the pandemic.

There were something like 200 public meetings and specifically because of the pandemic they were very well attended.

The ANC 3C meeting when the proposal was voted on had something like 200 attendees (most of whom supported bike lanes) which is about 4 times the number of people that usually attend a 3C meeting.

There was not a maelstrom of discontent - a bunch of entitled drivers who don't like to share (many of whom live in MD) scared the Mayor so we are stuck with a highway running down Connecticut Avenue instead of a street that serves the people who live on it.

Approximately 175 of them didn't live in that ANC. And let me stop you before you trot out "the bike lanes were supported by every ANC commissioner along the avenue." Nearly all of those ANC commissioners ran unopposed. Please stop your truly inane assertion that this equals some sort of mandate. You sound like a cretin when you do that.

A lot of the ANC commissioners were recruited by Greater Greater Washington and the Trump lobbyist who runs DC Smart Growth.

'

Yes, we all know Donald Trump cares a lot about multimodal transportation and urban density.

TrumpWorld is full of extreme property rights/pro-deregulation Libertarians. The overlap with “smart growth” and big development in DC isn’t surprising at all.

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-gets-bad-news-his-own-pollsters-firm-1814645

That may be. As far as I'm concerned, though, Donald Trump, libertarians, and real estate developers can all get stuffed. All I want is a relatively safe, relatively direct way to occasionally ride my bike from my single-family house to my office.

Good news! That already exists. Get on the Cap Crescent Trail and join the dozens doing so already.

The Capital Crescent Trail isn’t very vibrant.

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Anonymous wrote:The simple truth is that Wisconsin is an important and heavily utilized road and there's not enough demonstrated demand.

If you want to get more complicated then it's because the Ward 3 council member, Frumin, and lots of other powerful people live off of Wisconsin, it's already a traffic cluster, the space has been taken up by streeteries, and an absolute maelstrom of discontent was sparked by the attempt to sneak bike lanes through on Connecticut during the pandemic.

OMG here we go again with this BS.

The bike lanes on Connecticut Avenue were not snuck thru during the pandemic.

There were something like 200 public meetings and specifically because of the pandemic they were very well attended.

The ANC 3C meeting when the proposal was voted on had something like 200 attendees (most of whom supported bike lanes) which is about 4 times the number of people that usually attend a 3C meeting.

There was not a maelstrom of discontent - a bunch of entitled drivers who don't like to share (many of whom live in MD) scared the Mayor so we are stuck with a highway running down Connecticut Avenue instead of a street that serves the people who live on it.

Approximately 175 of them didn't live in that ANC. And let me stop you before you trot out "the bike lanes were supported by every ANC commissioner along the avenue." Nearly all of those ANC commissioners ran unopposed. Please stop your truly inane assertion that this equals some sort of mandate. You sound like a cretin when you do that.

A lot of the ANC commissioners were recruited by Greater Greater Washington and the Trump lobbyist who runs DC Smart Growth.

'

Yes, we all know Donald Trump cares a lot about multimodal transportation and urban density.

TrumpWorld is full of extreme property rights/pro-deregulation Libertarians. The overlap with “smart growth” and big development in DC isn’t surprising at all.

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-gets-bad-news-his-own-pollsters-firm-1814645

That may be. As far as I'm concerned, though, Donald Trump, libertarians, and real estate developers can all get stuffed. All I want is a relatively safe, relatively direct way to occasionally ride my bike from my single-family house to my office.

Good news! That already exists. Get on the Cap Crescent Trail and join the dozens doing so already.

DP. Similarly, drivers who want to get from Chevy Chase to Dupont Circle should join the many drivers on the GW Parkway.

Well they certainly shouldn't get a brand new bespoke route for their occassional use virtually private use because they decided to buy a $2 million house in a neighborhood that doesn't have the transportation connections they want.

What a moronic thing to write. I live within spitting distance of the CCT, but everywhere else I need and want to go isn’t. Its about as useful for getting around DC as a canoe.

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Anonymous wrote:The simple truth is that Wisconsin is an important and heavily utilized road and there's not enough demonstrated demand.

If you want to get more complicated then it's because the Ward 3 council member, Frumin, and lots of other powerful people live off of Wisconsin, it's already a traffic cluster, the space has been taken up by streeteries, and an absolute maelstrom of discontent was sparked by the attempt to sneak bike lanes through on Connecticut during the pandemic.

OMG here we go again with this BS.

The bike lanes on Connecticut Avenue were not snuck thru during the pandemic.

There were something like 200 public meetings and specifically because of the pandemic they were very well attended.

The ANC 3C meeting when the proposal was voted on had something like 200 attendees (most of whom supported bike lanes) which is about 4 times the number of people that usually attend a 3C meeting.

There was not a maelstrom of discontent - a bunch of entitled drivers who don't like to share (many of whom live in MD) scared the Mayor so we are stuck with a highway running down Connecticut Avenue instead of a street that serves the people who live on it.

Approximately 175 of them didn't live in that ANC. And let me stop you before you trot out "the bike lanes were supported by every ANC commissioner along the avenue." Nearly all of those ANC commissioners ran unopposed. Please stop your truly inane assertion that this equals some sort of mandate. You sound like a cretin when you do that.

A lot of the ANC commissioners were recruited by Greater Greater Washington and the Trump lobbyist who runs DC Smart Growth.

'

Yes, we all know Donald Trump cares a lot about multimodal transportation and urban density.

TrumpWorld is full of extreme property rights/pro-deregulation Libertarians. The overlap with “smart growth” and big development in DC isn’t surprising at all.

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-gets-bad-news-his-own-pollsters-firm-1814645

That may be. As far as I'm concerned, though, Donald Trump, libertarians, and real estate developers can all get stuffed. All I want is a relatively safe, relatively direct way to occasionally ride my bike from my single-family house to my office.

Good news! That already exists. Get on the Cap Crescent Trail and join the dozens doing so already.

DP. Similarly, drivers who want to get from Chevy Chase to Dupont Circle should join the many drivers on the GW Parkway.

Well they certainly shouldn't get a brand new bespoke route for their occassional use virtually private use because they decided to buy a $2 million house in a neighborhood that doesn't have the transportation connections they want.

When we were house shopping proximity to CC trail was definitely on the list.

That's nice for you, but obviously this is not an option available to everyone.

It was definitely an option for anyone who bought where PP did. At that price point they could have purchased a home anywhere in the region. They chose the neighborhood without the amenity they wanted and paid more for it than houses in neighborhoods that have what they want.

Maybe they chose their house based on what they wanted at the time, and then later they decided that they wanted this additional thing - which is a fully reasonable thing to want. It's not like the OP is asking for a personal heliport to the moon.

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Anonymous wrote:The simple truth is that Wisconsin is an important and heavily utilized road and there's not enough demonstrated demand.

If you want to get more complicated then it's because the Ward 3 council member, Frumin, and lots of other powerful people live off of Wisconsin, it's already a traffic cluster, the space has been taken up by streeteries, and an absolute maelstrom of discontent was sparked by the attempt to sneak bike lanes through on Connecticut during the pandemic.

OMG here we go again with this BS.

The bike lanes on Connecticut Avenue were not snuck thru during the pandemic.

There were something like 200 public meetings and specifically because of the pandemic they were very well attended.

The ANC 3C meeting when the proposal was voted on had something like 200 attendees (most of whom supported bike lanes) which is about 4 times the number of people that usually attend a 3C meeting.

There was not a maelstrom of discontent - a bunch of entitled drivers who don't like to share (many of whom live in MD) scared the Mayor so we are stuck with a highway running down Connecticut Avenue instead of a street that serves the people who live on it.

Approximately 175 of them didn't live in that ANC. And let me stop you before you trot out "the bike lanes were supported by every ANC commissioner along the avenue." Nearly all of those ANC commissioners ran unopposed. Please stop your truly inane assertion that this equals some sort of mandate. You sound like a cretin when you do that.

A lot of the ANC commissioners were recruited by Greater Greater Washington and the Trump lobbyist who runs DC Smart Growth.

'

Yes, we all know Donald Trump cares a lot about multimodal transportation and urban density.

TrumpWorld is full of extreme property rights/pro-deregulation Libertarians. The overlap with “smart growth” and big development in DC isn’t surprising at all.

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-gets-bad-news-his-own-pollsters-firm-1814645

That may be. As far as I'm concerned, though, Donald Trump, libertarians, and real estate developers can all get stuffed. All I want is a relatively safe, relatively direct way to occasionally ride my bike from my single-family house to my office.

Good news! That already exists. Get on the Cap Crescent Trail and join the dozens doing so already.

DP. Similarly, drivers who want to get from Chevy Chase to Dupont Circle should join the many drivers on the GW Parkway.

Well they certainly shouldn't get a brand new bespoke route for their occassional use virtually private use because they decided to buy a $2 million house in a neighborhood that doesn't have the transportation connections they want.

When we were house shopping proximity to CC trail was definitely on the list.

That's nice for you, but obviously this is not an option available to everyone.

It was definitely an option for anyone who bought where PP did. At that price point they could have purchased a home anywhere in the region. They chose the neighborhood without the amenity they wanted and paid more for it than houses in neighborhoods that have what they want.

Maybe they chose their house based on what they wanted at the time, and then later they decided that they wanted this additional thing - which is a fully reasonable thing to want. It's not like the OP is asking for a personal heliport to the moon.

They're only asking for millions in construction cost and doubling transit time for everyone else. No big deal. Seems perfectly normal for someone who recently moved from Harvard and casually spent at least $2 million without research on a house because they thought being near CCT was too downmarket for them to ask. Talk about entitled.

But good luck with that. The denizens of Foxhall are traditionally very understanding. They virulently oppose sidewalks and tried to ban everyone else from their roads.

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Anonymous wrote:The simple truth is that Wisconsin is an important and heavily utilized road and there's not enough demonstrated demand.

If you want to get more complicated then it's because the Ward 3 council member, Frumin, and lots of other powerful people live off of Wisconsin, it's already a traffic cluster, the space has been taken up by streeteries, and an absolute maelstrom of discontent was sparked by the attempt to sneak bike lanes through on Connecticut during the pandemic.

OMG here we go again with this BS.

The bike lanes on Connecticut Avenue were not snuck thru during the pandemic.

There were something like 200 public meetings and specifically because of the pandemic they were very well attended.

The ANC 3C meeting when the proposal was voted on had something like 200 attendees (most of whom supported bike lanes) which is about 4 times the number of people that usually attend a 3C meeting.

There was not a maelstrom of discontent - a bunch of entitled drivers who don't like to share (many of whom live in MD) scared the Mayor so we are stuck with a highway running down Connecticut Avenue instead of a street that serves the people who live on it.

Approximately 175 of them didn't live in that ANC. And let me stop you before you trot out "the bike lanes were supported by every ANC commissioner along the avenue." Nearly all of those ANC commissioners ran unopposed. Please stop your truly inane assertion that this equals some sort of mandate. You sound like a cretin when you do that.

A lot of the ANC commissioners were recruited by Greater Greater Washington and the Trump lobbyist who runs DC Smart Growth.

'

Yes, we all know Donald Trump cares a lot about multimodal transportation and urban density.

TrumpWorld is full of extreme property rights/pro-deregulation Libertarians. The overlap with “smart growth” and big development in DC isn’t surprising at all.

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-gets-bad-news-his-own-pollsters-firm-1814645

That may be. As far as I'm concerned, though, Donald Trump, libertarians, and real estate developers can all get stuffed. All I want is a relatively safe, relatively direct way to occasionally ride my bike from my single-family house to my office.

Good news! That already exists. Get on the Cap Crescent Trail and join the dozens doing so already.

DP. Similarly, drivers who want to get from Chevy Chase to Dupont Circle should join the many drivers on the GW Parkway.

Well they certainly shouldn't get a brand new bespoke route for their occassional use virtually private use because they decided to buy a $2 million house in a neighborhood that doesn't have the transportation connections they want.

When we were house shopping proximity to CC trail was definitely on the list.

That's nice for you, but obviously this is not an option available to everyone.

It was definitely an option for anyone who bought where PP did. At that price point they could have purchased a home anywhere in the region. They chose the neighborhood without the amenity they wanted and paid more for it than houses in neighborhoods that have what they want.

Maybe they chose their house based on what they wanted at the time, and then later they decided that they wanted this additional thing - which is a fully reasonable thing to want. It's not like the OP is asking for a personal heliport to the moon.

They're only asking for millions in construction cost and doubling transit time for everyone else. No big deal. Seems perfectly normal for someone who recently moved from Harvard and casually spent at least $2 million without research on a house because they thought being near CCT was too downmarket for them to ask. Talk about entitled.

But good luck with that. The denizens of Foxhall are traditionally very understanding. They virulently oppose sidewalks and tried to ban everyone else from their roads.

lol "doubling transit time for everyone else" - hyperbole much?