Maret field PFAS vs Deal

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Anonymous wrote:The Dutch are soccer-obsessed, but they also give a crap about children’s health.

Netherlands
Has decided to ban artificial soccer fields entirely by 2030, citing potential cancer risks associated with artificial grass. A study found that rubber crumb used in artificial turf contained carcinogenic compounds at levels 1.5–3.7 times higher than allowed in consumer products

They classify fertilizer and herbicide as causing cancer. They also pay taxes to maintenance existing fields and create more fields including mowing. If you do not do the maintenance on grass fields including mowing, watering, seeding, fertilizer, herbicide application, aeration and repairs it is a dangerous surface to play on. These grass field need to be rested.

It isn't dangerous. It's just muddy and messy. We all grew up playing on fields that weren't watered, fertilized, and herbicided. It builds character. You've created such a false forced dichotomy that it's impossible to take you seriously - especially when there is decades of data showing that artificial turf fields have much higher rates of injuries.

That for professional athletes. Having been around sports(rec and travel) the amount of injuries are much much higher on non maintained grass field is vastly greater vs artificial fields.
You are just a troll.

Just because you're being a shill does not mean that I am being a troll.

Your anecdotes are not very persuasive. Studies have been done for all levels. You are correct that there is a shockingly higher level of serious knee injuries for professional athletes but there's also twice as many incidents of ankle injuries in girls youth sports (2007) and higher concussion rates. What's more it gets worse the longer it's used because a lot of the rubber tire fill goes away over time.

Turf is worse in every way. Higher rates of injuries, increased heat island effect, and toxic chemicals. We aren't allowed to throw tires in the trash or bury them in our backyard but shredded tires are ok for youth sports fields?

The only thing turf is supposedly better at is cost and maintenance but frankly I'm skeptical.

We were talking about PVC turf, not crumb rubber. Conflating all artificial turf into the same category is deceitful.

The crumb rubber is the infill

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Dutch are soccer-obsessed, but they also give a crap about children’s health.

Netherlands
Has decided to ban artificial soccer fields entirely by 2030, citing potential cancer risks associated with artificial grass. A study found that rubber crumb used in artificial turf contained carcinogenic compounds at levels 1.5–3.7 times higher than allowed in consumer products

They classify fertilizer and herbicide as causing cancer. They also pay taxes to maintenance existing fields and create more fields including mowing. If you do not do the maintenance on grass fields including mowing, watering, seeding, fertilizer, herbicide application, aeration and repairs it is a dangerous surface to play on. These grass field need to be rested.

It isn't dangerous. It's just muddy and messy. We all grew up playing on fields that weren't watered, fertilized, and herbicided. It builds character. You've created such a false forced dichotomy that it's impossible to take you seriously - especially when there is decades of data showing that artificial turf fields have much higher rates of injuries.

That for professional athletes. Having been around sports(rec and travel) the amount of injuries are much much higher on non maintained grass field is vastly greater vs artificial fields.
You are just a troll.

Just because you're being a shill does not mean that I am being a troll.

Your anecdotes are not very persuasive. Studies have been done for all levels. You are correct that there is a shockingly higher level of serious knee injuries for professional athletes but there's also twice as many incidents of ankle injuries in girls youth sports (2007) and higher concussion rates. What's more it gets worse the longer it's used because a lot of the rubber tire fill goes away over time.

Turf is worse in every way. Higher rates of injuries, increased heat island effect, and toxic chemicals. We aren't allowed to throw tires in the trash or bury them in our backyard but shredded tires are ok for youth sports fields?

The only thing turf is supposedly better at is cost and maintenance but frankly I'm skeptical.

We were talking about PVC turf, not crumb rubber. Conflating all artificial turf into the same category is deceitful.

“Deceitful”?!? Are you an inexperienced flack for an artificial turf trade association or something?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Dutch are soccer-obsessed, but they also give a crap about children’s health.

Netherlands
Has decided to ban artificial soccer fields entirely by 2030, citing potential cancer risks associated with artificial grass. A study found that rubber crumb used in artificial turf contained carcinogenic compounds at levels 1.5–3.7 times higher than allowed in consumer products

They classify fertilizer and herbicide as causing cancer. They also pay taxes to maintenance existing fields and create more fields including mowing. If you do not do the maintenance on grass fields including mowing, watering, seeding, fertilizer, herbicide application, aeration and repairs it is a dangerous surface to play on. These grass field need to be rested.

It isn't dangerous. It's just muddy and messy. We all grew up playing on fields that weren't watered, fertilized, and herbicided. It builds character. You've created such a false forced dichotomy that it's impossible to take you seriously - especially when there is decades of data showing that artificial turf fields have much higher rates of injuries.

That for professional athletes. Having been around sports(rec and travel) the amount of injuries are much much higher on non maintained grass field is vastly greater vs artificial fields.
You are just a troll.

Just because you're being a shill does not mean that I am being a troll.

Your anecdotes are not very persuasive. Studies have been done for all levels. You are correct that there is a shockingly higher level of serious knee injuries for professional athletes but there's also twice as many incidents of ankle injuries in girls youth sports (2007) and higher concussion rates. What's more it gets worse the longer it's used because a lot of the rubber tire fill goes away over time.

Turf is worse in every way. Higher rates of injuries, increased heat island effect, and toxic chemicals. We aren't allowed to throw tires in the trash or bury them in our backyard but shredded tires are ok for youth sports fields?

The only thing turf is supposedly better at is cost and maintenance but frankly I'm skeptical.

We were talking about PVC turf, not crumb rubber. Conflating all artificial turf into the same category is deceitful.

The crumb rubber is the infill

I haven't seen any pictures of it. Just pictures of PVC turf which is being called crumb rubber.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Dutch are soccer-obsessed, but they also give a crap about children’s health.

Netherlands
Has decided to ban artificial soccer fields entirely by 2030, citing potential cancer risks associated with artificial grass. A study found that rubber crumb used in artificial turf contained carcinogenic compounds at levels 1.5–3.7 times higher than allowed in consumer products

They classify fertilizer and herbicide as causing cancer. They also pay taxes to maintenance existing fields and create more fields including mowing. If you do not do the maintenance on grass fields including mowing, watering, seeding, fertilizer, herbicide application, aeration and repairs it is a dangerous surface to play on. These grass field need to be rested.

It isn't dangerous. It's just muddy and messy. We all grew up playing on fields that weren't watered, fertilized, and herbicided. It builds character. You've created such a false forced dichotomy that it's impossible to take you seriously - especially when there is decades of data showing that artificial turf fields have much higher rates of injuries.

That for professional athletes. Having been around sports(rec and travel) the amount of injuries are much much higher on non maintained grass field is vastly greater vs artificial fields.
You are just a troll.

Just because you're being a shill does not mean that I am being a troll.

Your anecdotes are not very persuasive. Studies have been done for all levels. You are correct that there is a shockingly higher level of serious knee injuries for professional athletes but there's also twice as many incidents of ankle injuries in girls youth sports (2007) and higher concussion rates. What's more it gets worse the longer it's used because a lot of the rubber tire fill goes away over time.

Turf is worse in every way. Higher rates of injuries, increased heat island effect, and toxic chemicals. We aren't allowed to throw tires in the trash or bury them in our backyard but shredded tires are ok for youth sports fields?

The only thing turf is supposedly better at is cost and maintenance but frankly I'm skeptical.

We were talking about PVC turf, not crumb rubber. Conflating all artificial turf into the same category is deceitful.

No we’re talking about PFAs aka forever chemicals

No evidence has been submitted that the PVC turf contains PFAs. Just fear mongering.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Dutch are soccer-obsessed, but they also give a crap about children’s health.

Netherlands
Has decided to ban artificial soccer fields entirely by 2030, citing potential cancer risks associated with artificial grass. A study found that rubber crumb used in artificial turf contained carcinogenic compounds at levels 1.5–3.7 times higher than allowed in consumer products

They classify fertilizer and herbicide as causing cancer. They also pay taxes to maintenance existing fields and create more fields including mowing. If you do not do the maintenance on grass fields including mowing, watering, seeding, fertilizer, herbicide application, aeration and repairs it is a dangerous surface to play on. These grass field need to be rested.

It isn't dangerous. It's just muddy and messy. We all grew up playing on fields that weren't watered, fertilized, and herbicided. It builds character. You've created such a false forced dichotomy that it's impossible to take you seriously - especially when there is decades of data showing that artificial turf fields have much higher rates of injuries.

That for professional athletes. Having been around sports(rec and travel) the amount of injuries are much much higher on non maintained grass field is vastly greater vs artificial fields.
You are just a troll.

Just because you're being a shill does not mean that I am being a troll.

Your anecdotes are not very persuasive. Studies have been done for all levels. You are correct that there is a shockingly higher level of serious knee injuries for professional athletes but there's also twice as many incidents of ankle injuries in girls youth sports (2007) and higher concussion rates. What's more it gets worse the longer it's used because a lot of the rubber tire fill goes away over time.

Turf is worse in every way. Higher rates of injuries, increased heat island effect, and toxic chemicals. We aren't allowed to throw tires in the trash or bury them in our backyard but shredded tires are ok for youth sports fields?

The only thing turf is supposedly better at is cost and maintenance but frankly I'm skeptical.

We were talking about PVC turf, not crumb rubber. Conflating all artificial turf into the same category is deceitful.

The crumb rubber is the infill

I haven't seen any pictures of it. Just pictures of PVC turf which is being called crumb rubber.

If there's no infill then the turf would be extremely dangerous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Who cares about Deal or lives next to it? Exactly

It's the freaking middle school for this whole area. Why wouldn't you care about it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Dutch are soccer-obsessed, but they also give a crap about children’s health.

Netherlands
Has decided to ban artificial soccer fields entirely by 2030, citing potential cancer risks associated with artificial grass. A study found that rubber crumb used in artificial turf contained carcinogenic compounds at levels 1.5–3.7 times higher than allowed in consumer products

They classify fertilizer and herbicide as causing cancer. They also pay taxes to maintenance existing fields and create more fields including mowing. If you do not do the maintenance on grass fields including mowing, watering, seeding, fertilizer, herbicide application, aeration and repairs it is a dangerous surface to play on. These grass field need to be rested.

It isn't dangerous. It's just muddy and messy. We all grew up playing on fields that weren't watered, fertilized, and herbicided. It builds character. You've created such a false forced dichotomy that it's impossible to take you seriously - especially when there is decades of data showing that artificial turf fields have much higher rates of injuries.

That for professional athletes. Having been around sports(rec and travel) the amount of injuries are much much higher on non maintained grass field is vastly greater vs artificial fields.
You are just a troll.

Just because you're being a shill does not mean that I am being a troll.

Your anecdotes are not very persuasive. Studies have been done for all levels. You are correct that there is a shockingly higher level of serious knee injuries for professional athletes but there's also twice as many incidents of ankle injuries in girls youth sports (2007) and higher concussion rates. What's more it gets worse the longer it's used because a lot of the rubber tire fill goes away over time.

Turf is worse in every way. Higher rates of injuries, increased heat island effect, and toxic chemicals. We aren't allowed to throw tires in the trash or bury them in our backyard but shredded tires are ok for youth sports fields?

The only thing turf is supposedly better at is cost and maintenance but frankly I'm skeptical.

We were talking about PVC turf, not crumb rubber. Conflating all artificial turf into the same category is deceitful.

The crumb rubber is the infill

I haven't seen any pictures of it. Just pictures of PVC turf which is being called crumb rubber.

If there's no infill then the turf would be extremely dangerous.

So, post some pictures of it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Dutch are soccer-obsessed, but they also give a crap about children’s health.

Netherlands
Has decided to ban artificial soccer fields entirely by 2030, citing potential cancer risks associated with artificial grass. A study found that rubber crumb used in artificial turf contained carcinogenic compounds at levels 1.5–3.7 times higher than allowed in consumer products

They classify fertilizer and herbicide as causing cancer. They also pay taxes to maintenance existing fields and create more fields including mowing. If you do not do the maintenance on grass fields including mowing, watering, seeding, fertilizer, herbicide application, aeration and repairs it is a dangerous surface to play on. These grass field need to be rested.

It isn't dangerous. It's just muddy and messy. We all grew up playing on fields that weren't watered, fertilized, and herbicided. It builds character. You've created such a false forced dichotomy that it's impossible to take you seriously - especially when there is decades of data showing that artificial turf fields have much higher rates of injuries.

That for professional athletes. Having been around sports(rec and travel) the amount of injuries are much much higher on non maintained grass field is vastly greater vs artificial fields.
You are just a troll.

Just because you're being a shill does not mean that I am being a troll.

Your anecdotes are not very persuasive. Studies have been done for all levels. You are correct that there is a shockingly higher level of serious knee injuries for professional athletes but there's also twice as many incidents of ankle injuries in girls youth sports (2007) and higher concussion rates. What's more it gets worse the longer it's used because a lot of the rubber tire fill goes away over time.

Turf is worse in every way. Higher rates of injuries, increased heat island effect, and toxic chemicals. We aren't allowed to throw tires in the trash or bury them in our backyard but shredded tires are ok for youth sports fields?

The only thing turf is supposedly better at is cost and maintenance but frankly I'm skeptical.

We were talking about PVC turf, not crumb rubber. Conflating all artificial turf into the same category is deceitful.

No we’re talking about PFAs aka forever chemicals

No evidence has been submitted that the PVC turf contains PFAs. Just fear mongering.

Basic chemistry shows that all PVC resins are produced with one form of toxic technology or another, whether it be asbestos, mercury, or PFAS.

Please tell me how the turf is manufactured. Is it with asbestos, mercury or PFAs?

You are spreading misinformation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Dutch are soccer-obsessed, but they also give a crap about children’s health.

Netherlands
Has decided to ban artificial soccer fields entirely by 2030, citing potential cancer risks associated with artificial grass. A study found that rubber crumb used in artificial turf contained carcinogenic compounds at levels 1.5–3.7 times higher than allowed in consumer products

They classify fertilizer and herbicide as causing cancer. They also pay taxes to maintenance existing fields and create more fields including mowing. If you do not do the maintenance on grass fields including mowing, watering, seeding, fertilizer, herbicide application, aeration and repairs it is a dangerous surface to play on. These grass field need to be rested.

It isn't dangerous. It's just muddy and messy. We all grew up playing on fields that weren't watered, fertilized, and herbicided. It builds character. You've created such a false forced dichotomy that it's impossible to take you seriously - especially when there is decades of data showing that artificial turf fields have much higher rates of injuries.

That for professional athletes. Having been around sports(rec and travel) the amount of injuries are much much higher on non maintained grass field is vastly greater vs artificial fields.
You are just a troll.

Just because you're being a shill does not mean that I am being a troll.

Your anecdotes are not very persuasive. Studies have been done for all levels. You are correct that there is a shockingly higher level of serious knee injuries for professional athletes but there's also twice as many incidents of ankle injuries in girls youth sports (2007) and higher concussion rates. What's more it gets worse the longer it's used because a lot of the rubber tire fill goes away over time.

Turf is worse in every way. Higher rates of injuries, increased heat island effect, and toxic chemicals. We aren't allowed to throw tires in the trash or bury them in our backyard but shredded tires are ok for youth sports fields?

The only thing turf is supposedly better at is cost and maintenance but frankly I'm skeptical.

We were talking about PVC turf, not crumb rubber. Conflating all artificial turf into the same category is deceitful.

No we’re talking about PFAs aka forever chemicals

No evidence has been submitted that the PVC turf contains PFAs. Just fear mongering.

Basic chemistry shows that all PVC resins are produced with one form of toxic technology or another, whether it be asbestos, mercury, or PFAS.

Please tell me how the turf is manufactured. Is it with asbestos, mercury or PFAs?

You are spreading misinformation.

^This was posted earlier in this thread, but the PVC-industry rep here who is trying to mask the dangers just ignored it.

[Anonymous]

The turf field issue is legit…but if Maret tomorrow said they decided to go with grass, the same people would try to manufacture a new issue.

Like all these NIMBY issues, once the field is up and running and it becomes part of the fabric after a couple of years, nobody will give a s**t anymore.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The turf field issue is legit…but if Maret tomorrow said they decided to go with grass, the same people would try to manufacture a new issue.

Like all these NIMBY issues, once the field is up and running and it becomes part of the fabric after a couple of years, nobody will give a s**t anymore.

Oh for sure, that's the whole point. While they don't want artificial turf, they also don't want the field there in the first place, period.

[Anonymous]

Then prove it. Just switch to grass and call their bluff.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Then prove it. Just switch to grass and call their bluff.

The “crumb-bums” would be very upset.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Then prove it. Just switch to grass and call their bluff.

The “crumb-bums” would be very upset.

The only ones that would be upset are those that don't want neighborhoods to have any say on things. This shouldn't be a power game where you fight them just because.

If they want grass then give them grass. It's not like artificial turf is something special or important.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Then prove it. Just switch to grass and call their bluff.

The “crumb-bums” would be very upset.

The only ones that would be upset are those that don't want neighborhoods to have any say on things. This shouldn't be a power game where you fight them just because.

If they want grass then give them grass. It's not like artificial turf is something special or important.

Well…neighborhoods really shouldn’t have a say on things once the authorities and the land owners have made their decisions.

This is why you have zoning laws and private property rights. If neighborhoods had a say then it would be a chaotic mess…and next to nothing would ever happen in most neighborhoods.

BTW…I bet 90% of the neighborhood doesn’t have any opinion on what Maret uses for the field.