Rhodes, Marshall, Fulbright, and other post-grad scholarships?
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| *stipend is small for western countries, should be enough for underdeveloped countries with low cost of living. |
Anonymous
Objection, Your Honor. The witness is being non-responsive. |
Anonymous
The need you think elite schools give to families with upwards of 200k HHI is minuscule if any. Ask me how I know. |
Anonymous
No school come close to Harvard in terms of numbers it comes to the Rhodes. Not Yale, Princeton or Stanford. No one. So you have to make your argument in context. |
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Does Fulbright ETA move the needle for law school applications, or only the research grants? DC is qualified and was planning to apply for an ETA, but happened to spend last semester at Oxford and did an interesting, somewhat law-related research project that they could dig into deeper in a masters program.
Should DC apply for the ETA, which has more slots, or shoot their shot for a research position? Ultimately law school is their goal. |
Anonymous
I have odd finances and no house, but my family had AGI of $180,000 when my son was applying. Harvard and most other privates said we had an EFC of about $45,000 and would have given us about $40,000 in aid. Princeton said we had an EFC of about $23,000 and would have given us more than $60,000 in aid. So, every family’s situation is different. People who don’t have a family office and think they need aid should try applying and see what happens. |
Anonymous
I think that people here are being way too negative about the prospects of kids from big state schools. My impression is that state flagships and non-Ivy T50s find ways to keep their Harvard-level students a lot of extra support. They may end up knowing administrators, faculty members, trustees and even public officials in ways that ordinary good students. So, one thing for your daughter to consider is who she knows at her university. If she’s pretty plugged in, she may be on a roughly even footing with students of a comparable level at Cornell, at least. She may face a struggle between whether she wants a fancy fellowship or to go work as an aide in the statehouse or on Capitol Hill. If she’s not that plugged in and has never met the head of her university or the chairman of the board of trustees in person, that might be a sign that she’s not quite as charismatic or socially aggressive as the people who tend to be Rhodes scholars. If she is a super go-getter, one thing she could do is try to talking to the dean of her college at the university (e.g., the head of the College of Arts & Sciences or the equivalent) and ask that person about her odds. If she’s not that ultra-plugged-in, maybe she could just apply to ordinary grad school programs, including even master’s programs, that offer study abroad opportunities and see what happens. They tend to offer less aid than undergraduate schools, but they have some. Example: I got free tuition at a master’s program without being all that special. Still another option: She could apply for ordinary master’s programs in any language she speaks well in EU countries with cheap tuition. With a little luck, she could probably hold the cost to less than $15,000 per year. |
Anonymous
My argument was about the Fulbright being more "democratic" than the Rhodes, with less of a delta between schools and much broader representation. If you want to add Yale or Princeton to the discussion and focus on Rhodes, Princeton and Yale are much closer to Harvard than UVA. Yale has 252 recipients to 369 for Harvard. But Harvard is a bit bigger. Adjusting for that, Harvard has only about 1.36X as many recipients per capita (vs. 16X vs. UVA). |
Anonymous
The best Fulbright is the one you win, not the one you apply for. You have to target your application very carefully and get help from your school to decide. |
Anonymous
| At West Point they start targeting cadets who would make good scholarship candidates by the end of their first year. These cadets are tapped to enroll in a 3 year course to prepare them for the interviews and essays. It’s impressive and effective. It also struck me as an unfair advantage when I first heard about this. Such is life. |
Anonymous
' Yes, but Harvard is the oldest university in the USA and had a lot of time to build up a reputation (which it is now destroyed). The Rhodes starts in 1902. My college didn't even exist then, so it's clear why most of the awards go there. Plus, the younger colleges took years to catch up. |
Anonymous
| FWIW there are new scholarships you should took at if your students wants to study at Oxford as a post grad. The Barry and The Fortescue. https://www.barryscholarship.org/. These scholarships provide room, board, tuition and spending allowance and 3 round trips to home each year. |
Anonymous
And, because the Rhodes Trust is biased towards Harvard. At least, that's what a personal contact on the Trust believes, and I tend to agree. Rhodes has a ridiculous gap in awards to Harvard versus any other institution. Harvard is great, but its students aren't THAT different from Yale, Stanford, Princeton, etc. students. |
Anonymous
That's my impression just from looking at the numbers. In recent years, Harvard has had an astonishingly high number of scholars per year compared to its peer institutions. |
Anonymous
| Yale is at a slight disadvantage because it's "home" pool includes NYC, which is the most competitive district & means a bunch of Yalies end up competing against each other. Harvard has kids use their home pool unless it's NYC, in which case they typically use the one Mass is in. |