There is no housing crisis in MoCo or most of the DMV for that matter

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Anonymous wrote:Its all a tube of toothpaste. You want low wage workers so you can get a burger for under $10? Well you either need to build enough cheap or subsidized housing for them, or deal with 270/495/most other roads being jammed up with drive-till-you-qualifiers coming to make your sandwich.

See, this is where the free market takes over. If burger flippers, teachers, and barbers can't afford to live in the area then the supplies of those who do that labor will go down, leading to a premium in wages that will allow them to eventually afford housing. No one is entitled to live wherever they want. We do not need to upend our way of life because people don't like their personal choices. There is plenty of cheap housing stock in Iowa, Kansas, Pennsylvania, Western MD, etc. It's not my responsibility to provide you housing because you don't want to live there.

The housing shortage is not about people feeling entitled to live wherever they want, it's about supply not keeping up with demand.

I am curious how this is upending your life, though.

There is plenty of supply outside of Bethesda/CC

I truly can’t comprehend why people
Think they should’ve somehwere. What’s wrong with PG County, NE/SE DC, Germantown, Wheaton, etc? All very affordable for middle class earners.

I'm going to have to think about why some people, who apparently live in Bethesda, believe that the national housing shortage is all a myth propagated by people who want to live in Bethesda but can't afford it.

Ask the county council!

Thousands of condos (literally) could be built along Rockville Pike, including room for outdoor spaces. Those commercial buildings are underutilized now.

Thousands of units (literally) are currently being built or are in the process of being built along Rockville Pike. You haven't noticed?

There's no reason multi-unit housing needs to be limited to huge buildings along a 7-lane state highway, though.

Just like there is no reason they need to be built in affluent neighborhoods with minimal accessibility to mass transit

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Anonymous wrote:Its all a tube of toothpaste. You want low wage workers so you can get a burger for under $10? Well you either need to build enough cheap or subsidized housing for them, or deal with 270/495/most other roads being jammed up with drive-till-you-qualifiers coming to make your sandwich.

See, this is where the free market takes over. If burger flippers, teachers, and barbers can't afford to live in the area then the supplies of those who do that labor will go down, leading to a premium in wages that will allow them to eventually afford housing. No one is entitled to live wherever they want. We do not need to upend our way of life because people don't like their personal choices. There is plenty of cheap housing stock in Iowa, Kansas, Pennsylvania, Western MD, etc. It's not my responsibility to provide you housing because you don't want to live there.

Why don't people move to places where housing is cheap because there's very little demand for housing because there's no economic opportunity?!?!?!

Nonsense.

You all complain burger flippers, restaurant staff, teachers and firefighters can't afford to live in this area. Guess what? All of those jobs exist in Kansas, Ohio, Iowa, or Arkansas! Hell, the Dakotas have some of the top performing schools in the entire country if you care about your kids' education so much. You are not entitled to live wherever you want.

Here's a perfectly fine house for $375K in York, PA:

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/2415-Wildon-Dr-York-PA-17403/60492446_zpid/

York is a small city with jobs for all of the people complaining about costs. They need teachers and restaurant staff.

Here are good enough homes for desperate people in Columbus, Ohio, which is a vibrant enough town for people if all they care about is owning a home:

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1465-Lockbourne-Rd-Columbus-OH-43206/33850877_zpid/

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/8437-Nimitz-Dr-Powell-OH-43065/34124344_zpid/

There is no housing crisis. The only crisis is that peoples' expectations don't match the realities of their current situations and that maybe they should make better choices for where they can truly afford to live relative to their education, income, and status in life. No one wants to be told the cold harsh reality of their networth. I'm sorry you can't afford to live in the DMV when you work a job earning $23/hour. Why should we tear down our neighborhoods to cater to your desires simply because you don't want to live in a more affordable area of the country? There are plenty of affordable places to live, you just refuse to move there.

You know the people you're telling to move to Ohio? They're the ones who make your life possible.

Again, if it was truly so unaffordable then all of those people who make all of our lives work would move because they know their true value. Yet they don't.

Welcome to the free market. Who is holding a gun to anyone's head and forcing them to live in this area? Oh wait, that's right, literally no one. Personal choices. Don't complain about dumping $3000 per month in rent because you demand to live in DC as a secretary while there are completely affordable homes in Columbus for under $300k and plenty of companies that need your line work there as well.

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As a middle class person with a family who actually does live in an apartment (gasp) in NE DC (shocked silence), I just want to point out that actually there are thousands and thousands of homeless or under housed people in the area. I know because they hang out in my neighborhood.

I have zero issues living in an apartment but it seems obvious to me that we don't have enough low- and middle-income housing that is either close to commercial corridors or accessible to reliable transit. My spouse and I have also done the math on moving further out and commuting so that we could afford a SFH with a yard. For starters, everything further out is also more expensive than it used to be. And second, this would necessitate owning two cars, a major expense. And third it would require additional childcare to cover the hours we'd both spend commuting, at least three days a week. So it doesn't really work out even assuming we could find a SFH for 500k or less.

We are presently looking for jobs in another city where yes, pay is lower overall, but also where housing is much cheaper. I don't think we're the only middle-income family I'm this situation.

My spouse is a civil engineer and I am a preschool teacher.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Its all a tube of toothpaste. You want low wage workers so you can get a burger for under $10? Well you either need to build enough cheap or subsidized housing for them, or deal with 270/495/most other roads being jammed up with drive-till-you-qualifiers coming to make your sandwich.

See, this is where the free market takes over. If burger flippers, teachers, and barbers can't afford to live in the area then the supplies of those who do that labor will go down, leading to a premium in wages that will allow them to eventually afford housing. No one is entitled to live wherever they want. We do not need to upend our way of life because people don't like their personal choices. There is plenty of cheap housing stock in Iowa, Kansas, Pennsylvania, Western MD, etc. It's not my responsibility to provide you housing because you don't want to live there.

The housing shortage is not about people feeling entitled to live wherever they want, it's about supply not keeping up with demand.

I am curious how this is upending your life, though.

There are so many empty palaces on the market. Where is this demand evident other than in the million dollar SFH market?

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Anonymous wrote:Its all a tube of toothpaste. You want low wage workers so you can get a burger for under $10? Well you either need to build enough cheap or subsidized housing for them, or deal with 270/495/most other roads being jammed up with drive-till-you-qualifiers coming to make your sandwich.

See, this is where the free market takes over. If burger flippers, teachers, and barbers can't afford to live in the area then the supplies of those who do that labor will go down, leading to a premium in wages that will allow them to eventually afford housing. No one is entitled to live wherever they want. We do not need to upend our way of life because people don't like their personal choices. There is plenty of cheap housing stock in Iowa, Kansas, Pennsylvania, Western MD, etc. It's not my responsibility to provide you housing because you don't want to live there.

Why don't people move to places where housing is cheap because there's very little demand for housing because there's no economic opportunity?!?!?!

Nonsense.

You all complain burger flippers, restaurant staff, teachers and firefighters can't afford to live in this area. Guess what? All of those jobs exist in Kansas, Ohio, Iowa, or Arkansas! Hell, the Dakotas have some of the top performing schools in the entire country if you care about your kids' education so much. You are not entitled to live wherever you want.

Here's a perfectly fine house for $375K in York, PA:

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/2415-Wildon-Dr-York-PA-17403/60492446_zpid/

York is a small city with jobs for all of the people complaining about costs. They need teachers and restaurant staff.

Here are good enough homes for desperate people in Columbus, Ohio, which is a vibrant enough town for people if all they care about is owning a home:

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1465-Lockbourne-Rd-Columbus-OH-43206/33850877_zpid/

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/8437-Nimitz-Dr-Powell-OH-43065/34124344_zpid/


There is no housing crisis. The only crisis is that peoples' expectations don't match the realities of their current situations and that maybe they should make better choices for where they can truly afford to live relative to their education, income, and status in life. No one wants to be told the cold harsh reality of their networth. I'm sorry you can't afford to live in the DMV when you work a job earning $23/hour. Why should we tear down our neighborhoods to cater to your desires simply because you don't want to live in a more affordable area of the country? There are plenty of affordable places to live, you just refuse to move there.

There are also areas of the country where SFH zoning will persist indefinitely. Why should MoCo cater to your desires because you don’t want to move to a more desirable (to you) area of the county? There are plenty of cities with SFH zoning to live, you just refuse to move there.

I did move to an area with SFH zoning, yet the work idiot council manufacturers crises like a so called housing issue. Their solution of course is never to tell people to live where they can afford it. Their solutions are to take away from people who've earned it and redistribute because there is so much lazy entirement mentality these days.

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Anonymous wrote:Its all a tube of toothpaste. You want low wage workers so you can get a burger for under $10? Well you either need to build enough cheap or subsidized housing for them, or deal with 270/495/most other roads being jammed up with drive-till-you-qualifiers coming to make your sandwich.

See, this is where the free market takes over. If burger flippers, teachers, and barbers can't afford to live in the area then the supplies of those who do that labor will go down, leading to a premium in wages that will allow them to eventually afford housing. No one is entitled to live wherever they want. We do not need to upend our way of life because people don't like their personal choices. There is plenty of cheap housing stock in Iowa, Kansas, Pennsylvania, Western MD, etc. It's not my responsibility to provide you housing because you don't want to live there.

Why don't people move to places where housing is cheap because there's very little demand for housing because there's no economic opportunity?!?!?!

Nonsense.

You all complain burger flippers, restaurant staff, teachers and firefighters can't afford to live in this area. Guess what? All of those jobs exist in Kansas, Ohio, Iowa, or Arkansas! Hell, the Dakotas have some of the top performing schools in the entire country if you care about your kids' education so much. You are not entitled to live wherever you want.

Here's a perfectly fine house for $375K in York, PA:

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/2415-Wildon-Dr-York-PA-17403/60492446_zpid/

York is a small city with jobs for all of the people complaining about costs. They need teachers and restaurant staff.

Here are good enough homes for desperate people in Columbus, Ohio, which is a vibrant enough town for people if all they care about is owning a home:

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1465-Lockbourne-Rd-Columbus-OH-43206/33850877_zpid/

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/8437-Nimitz-Dr-Powell-OH-43065/34124344_zpid/


There is no housing crisis. The only crisis is that peoples' expectations don't match the realities of their current situations and that maybe they should make better choices for where they can truly afford to live relative to their education, income, and status in life. No one wants to be told the cold harsh reality of their networth. I'm sorry you can't afford to live in the DMV when you work a job earning $23/hour. Why should we tear down our neighborhoods to cater to your desires simply because you don't want to live in a more affordable area of the country? There are plenty of affordable places to live, you just refuse to move there.

There are also areas of the country where SFH zoning will persist indefinitely. Why should MoCo cater to your desires because you don’t want to move to a more desirable (to you) area of the county? There are plenty of cities with SFH zoning to live, you just refuse to move there.

I did move to an area with SFH zoning, yet the work idiot council manufacturers crises like a so called housing issue. Their solution of course is never to tell people to live where they can afford it. Their solutions are to take away from people who've earned it and redistribute because there is so much lazy entirement mentality these days.

*Woke idiot council

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Anonymous wrote:Its all a tube of toothpaste. You want low wage workers so you can get a burger for under $10? Well you either need to build enough cheap or subsidized housing for them, or deal with 270/495/most other roads being jammed up with drive-till-you-qualifiers coming to make your sandwich.

See, this is where the free market takes over. If burger flippers, teachers, and barbers can't afford to live in the area then the supplies of those who do that labor will go down, leading to a premium in wages that will allow them to eventually afford housing. No one is entitled to live wherever they want. We do not need to upend our way of life because people don't like their personal choices. There is plenty of cheap housing stock in Iowa, Kansas, Pennsylvania, Western MD, etc. It's not my responsibility to provide you housing because you don't want to live there.

The housing shortage is not about people feeling entitled to live wherever they want, it's about supply not keeping up with demand.

I am curious how this is upending your life, though.

There is plenty of supply outside of Bethesda/CC

I truly can’t comprehend why people
Think they should’ve somehwere. What’s wrong with PG County, NE/SE DC, Germantown, Wheaton, etc? All very affordable for middle class earners.

I'm going to have to think about why some people, who apparently live in Bethesda, believe that the national housing shortage is all a myth propagated by people who want to live in Bethesda but can't afford it.

Ask the county council!

Thousands of condos (literally) could be built along Rockville Pike, including room for outdoor spaces. Those commercial buildings are underutilized now.

Thousands of units (literally) are currently being built or are in the process of being built along Rockville Pike. You haven't noticed?

There's no reason multi-unit housing needs to be limited to huge buildings along a 7-lane state highway, though.

Just like there is no reason they need to be built in affluent neighborhoods with minimal accessibility to mass transit

Are you still fighting the Battle of Westbard?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Its all a tube of toothpaste. You want low wage workers so you can get a burger for under $10? Well you either need to build enough cheap or subsidized housing for them, or deal with 270/495/most other roads being jammed up with drive-till-you-qualifiers coming to make your sandwich.

See, this is where the free market takes over. If burger flippers, teachers, and barbers can't afford to live in the area then the supplies of those who do that labor will go down, leading to a premium in wages that will allow them to eventually afford housing. No one is entitled to live wherever they want. We do not need to upend our way of life because people don't like their personal choices. There is plenty of cheap housing stock in Iowa, Kansas, Pennsylvania, Western MD, etc. It's not my responsibility to provide you housing because you don't want to live there.

Why don't people move to places where housing is cheap because there's very little demand for housing because there's no economic opportunity?!?!?!

Nonsense.

You all complain burger flippers, restaurant staff, teachers and firefighters can't afford to live in this area. Guess what? All of those jobs exist in Kansas, Ohio, Iowa, or Arkansas! Hell, the Dakotas have some of the top performing schools in the entire country if you care about your kids' education so much. You are not entitled to live wherever you want.

Here's a perfectly fine house for $375K in York, PA:

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/2415-Wildon-Dr-York-PA-17403/60492446_zpid/

York is a small city with jobs for all of the people complaining about costs. They need teachers and restaurant staff.

Here are good enough homes for desperate people in Columbus, Ohio, which is a vibrant enough town for people if all they care about is owning a home:

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1465-Lockbourne-Rd-Columbus-OH-43206/33850877_zpid/

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/8437-Nimitz-Dr-Powell-OH-43065/34124344_zpid/

There is no housing crisis. The only crisis is that peoples' expectations don't match the realities of their current situations and that maybe they should make better choices for where they can truly afford to live relative to their education, income, and status in life. No one wants to be told the cold harsh reality of their networth. I'm sorry you can't afford to live in the DMV when you work a job earning $23/hour. Why should we tear down our neighborhoods to cater to your desires simply because you don't want to live in a more affordable area of the country? There are plenty of affordable places to live, you just refuse to move there.

You know the people you're telling to move to Ohio? They're the ones who make your life possible.

Again, if it was truly so unaffordable then all of those people who make all of our lives work would move because they know their true value. Yet they don't.

Welcome to the free market. Who is holding a gun to anyone's head and forcing them to live in this area? Oh wait, that's right, literally no one. Personal choices. Don't complain about dumping $3000 per month in rent because you demand to live in DC as a secretary while there are completely affordable homes in Columbus for under $300k and plenty of companies that need your line work there as well.

I wonder who you think you're talking to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As a middle class person with a family who actually does live in an apartment (gasp) in NE DC (shocked silence), I just want to point out that actually there are thousands and thousands of homeless or under housed people in the area. I know because they hang out in my neighborhood.

I have zero issues living in an apartment but it seems obvious to me that we don't have enough low- and middle-income housing that is either close to commercial corridors or accessible to reliable transit. My spouse and I have also done the math on moving further out and commuting so that we could afford a SFH with a yard. For starters, everything further out is also more expensive than it used to be. And second, this would necessitate owning two cars, a major expense. And third it would require additional childcare to cover the hours we'd both spend commuting, at least three days a week. So it doesn't really work out even assuming we could find a SFH for 500k or less.

We are presently looking for jobs in another city where yes, pay is lower overall, but also where housing is much cheaper. I don't think we're the only middle-income family I'm this situation.

My spouse is a civil engineer and I am a preschool teacher.

Exactly. Personal decisions. You've now made the wise decision to move to another area with a lower COL so that you can buy. Literally proves my point. There is no crisis. There's only bloated expectations and entitlement.

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Anonymous wrote:How dare anyone question the narrative! We need to destroy SFH and upzone now! Every neighborhood deserves to have 300 cars parked in the street, because people are entitled to live wherever they want despite their incomes.

I can't imagine why the people who say stuff like this aren't more successful with Montgomery County voters.

Gee, why aren't people who are responsible in life and who take personal responsibility seriously more popular with the purple pumpkin pie hair cutted freaks and the alphabet soup sexuality gestapo in silver Spring and takoma?

Go to bed, PP.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As a middle class person with a family who actually does live in an apartment (gasp) in NE DC (shocked silence), I just want to point out that actually there are thousands and thousands of homeless or under housed people in the area. I know because they hang out in my neighborhood.

I have zero issues living in an apartment but it seems obvious to me that we don't have enough low- and middle-income housing that is either close to commercial corridors or accessible to reliable transit. My spouse and I have also done the math on moving further out and commuting so that we could afford a SFH with a yard. For starters, everything further out is also more expensive than it used to be. And second, this would necessitate owning two cars, a major expense. And third it would require additional childcare to cover the hours we'd both spend commuting, at least three days a week. So it doesn't really work out even assuming we could find a SFH for 500k or less.

We are presently looking for jobs in another city where yes, pay is lower overall, but also where housing is much cheaper. I don't think we're the only middle-income family I'm this situation.

My spouse is a civil engineer and I am a preschool teacher.

Exactly. Personal decisions. You've now made the wise decision to move to another area with a lower COL so that you can buy. Literally proves my point. There is no crisis. There's only bloated expectations and entitlement.

Good luck when you can't find experienced teachers or civil engineers in the DMV because they all moved to Columbus and St. Louis and Philly where they can afford to own a SFH with okay schools close in.

It will be great when the city is just wealthy people, poor people, and a bunch of young professionals passing through on their way to other things. Have fun with that.

[Anonymous]

Workers you depend on need someone to live…not just the hipster baristas or the undocumented workers you hire that are willing to travel long distances to clean your toilets but teachers, childcare providers, dental assistants, cops, county employees…

[Anonymous]

Remember to stay involved in local politics people...the only way to change zoning laws is to influence the politicians who control them. Homeowners are fiercely protective of their property values, and they go out and vote to maintain them. Those who want more affordable housing have to vote in larger numbers for any meaningful change to happen!

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Anonymous wrote:As a middle class person with a family who actually does live in an apartment (gasp) in NE DC (shocked silence), I just want to point out that actually there are thousands and thousands of homeless or under housed people in the area. I know because they hang out in my neighborhood.

I have zero issues living in an apartment but it seems obvious to me that we don't have enough low- and middle-income housing that is either close to commercial corridors or accessible to reliable transit. My spouse and I have also done the math on moving further out and commuting so that we could afford a SFH with a yard. For starters, everything further out is also more expensive than it used to be. And second, this would necessitate owning two cars, a major expense. And third it would require additional childcare to cover the hours we'd both spend commuting, at least three days a week. So it doesn't really work out even assuming we could find a SFH for 500k or less.

We are presently looking for jobs in another city where yes, pay is lower overall, but also where housing is much cheaper. I don't think we're the only middle-income family I'm this situation.

My spouse is a civil engineer and I am a preschool teacher.

Exactly. Personal decisions. You've now made the wise decision to move to another area with a lower COL so that you can buy. Literally proves my point. There is no crisis. There's only bloated expectations and entitlement.

Good luck when you can't find experienced teachers or civil engineers in the DMV because they all moved to Columbus and St. Louis and Philly where they can afford to own a SFH with okay schools close in.

It will be great when the city is just wealthy people, poor people, and a bunch of young professionals passing through on their way to other things. Have fun with that.

If we couldn't find teachers and civil engineers, etc., yes that would be a problem. But the fact is we don't have this problem at all. All service needs are met! There is literally no problem at all.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As a middle class person with a family who actually does live in an apartment (gasp) in NE DC (shocked silence), I just want to point out that actually there are thousands and thousands of homeless or under housed people in the area. I know because they hang out in my neighborhood.

I have zero issues living in an apartment but it seems obvious to me that we don't have enough low- and middle-income housing that is either close to commercial corridors or accessible to reliable transit. My spouse and I have also done the math on moving further out and commuting so that we could afford a SFH with a yard. For starters, everything further out is also more expensive than it used to be. And second, this would necessitate owning two cars, a major expense. And third it would require additional childcare to cover the hours we'd both spend commuting, at least three days a week. So it doesn't really work out even assuming we could find a SFH for 500k or less.

We are presently looking for jobs in another city where yes, pay is lower overall, but also where housing is much cheaper. I don't think we're the only middle-income family I'm this situation.

My spouse is a civil engineer and I am a preschool teacher.

Exactly. Personal decisions. You've now made the wise decision to move to another area with a lower COL so that you can buy. Literally proves my point. There is no crisis. There's only bloated expectations and entitlement.

Good luck when you can't find experienced teachers or civil engineers in the DMV because they all moved to Columbus and St. Louis and Philly where they can afford to own a SFH with okay schools close in.

It will be great when the city is just wealthy people, poor people, and a bunch of young professionals passing through on their way to other things. Have fun with that.

Yeah, and guess what happens? The market corrects itself and wages rise for jobs with not enough supply. When their wages rise so do their abilities to own.

See how that works? No need to bulldoze neighborhoods because of a manufactured crisis.