Title 1 elementary schools

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Anonymous wrote:So my quick take is that the wealthiest area schools often functionally have the most resources since the level of need per student is lower. Title 1 and focus schools have extra resources but this is in responsible to the very high needs of this population so your kids will be competing for resources with kids often with high needs. My children went to a focus school and yes the smaller class size was great as were some of the other resources. However because the school was high farms and high els it still struggled to meet the needs of special education students (504 plans or IEPs) and gifted students. If you need to live in a geography that sends to a Title 1 or Focus school, these can be very good schools that meet the high need of their students. But, realize you are moving into an area of high need students. Often these schools will have a less involved parent population (parents working multiple jobs) so the schools will not have the parent financial and volunteer support available at other schools. My advice for someone with a special needs child is I think the old adage of get the cheapest housing in the wealthiest area. As for gifted, the wealthy areas will also have more resources since more parents will be providing tutoring and pushing for accelerated options. If your child is very gifted then there are true gifted magnet programs, which require budding usually, that they can attempt to gain entrance to.

As someone who works at an affluent school, I'd say we get the least amount of resources because it's seen as we can handle it and don't need it. We get less staffing...we don't have focus teachers, extra special Education teachers, full time reading initiative, and larger class sizes. The most we have for the gifted kid is elc and compact math. We do have a great pta.

Of course wealthy schools have less resources that Title 1 and Focus schools. That is the entire point of a school being Title 1 or Focus. PP was saying wealthy schools have more resources relative to the need. The students at wealthy schools do not have the same needs as students as low income schools.

That's really odd because that other post that shows spending per student at various HS in moco shows that its higher at places like Whitman and CHurchill with <5% FARMS than Blair which is closer to 40%, the county average.

A big part of spending per school is due to longevity of staff. For a variety of reasons, some schools have older staff, those staff get higher on the pay scale.

But, sure, spin it to find a conspiracy - it's the DCUM Way!

High income schools have more experienced staff. It's not a "conspiracy" - it's a reality.

Sure. But some want to spin it as a deliberate effort to shortchange lower income schools by paying teachers less there. Correlation is not causation.

It becomes deliberate when it is a known issue for many years and shown by research as well, but little or no effort/resources are put into incentivizing experienced teachers to go to and stay in higher poverty schools. County residents would not support this, and we know it. It's a choice we make every year.

Experience means knowing better than to waste one’s time teaching kids who many don’t want to learn. It would take quite the incentive to get a teacher late in their career to opt in to being a glorified babysitter in many cases assuming the incentives were structured to direct them where the biggest problems are. No teacher minds being in a select magnet program with kids that want to be there, general pop it gets dicier when you start dealing with unmotivated kids with no support and limited repercussions. Yes some what to learn but many don’t and that’s where your time would have to be directed

Let’s stop using language like this. Most kids in MoCo are not in a selective magnet. They may be in special programs or taking advance classes or taking on level classes. The majority of the kids are the “general pop” as you said. And the ones wanting to learn or wanting help and support, outnumbers those that don’t.

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Anonymous wrote:So my quick take is that the wealthiest area schools often functionally have the most resources since the level of need per student is lower. Title 1 and focus schools have extra resources but this is in responsible to the very high needs of this population so your kids will be competing for resources with kids often with high needs. My children went to a focus school and yes the smaller class size was great as were some of the other resources. However because the school was high farms and high els it still struggled to meet the needs of special education students (504 plans or IEPs) and gifted students. If you need to live in a geography that sends to a Title 1 or Focus school, these can be very good schools that meet the high need of their students. But, realize you are moving into an area of high need students. Often these schools will have a less involved parent population (parents working multiple jobs) so the schools will not have the parent financial and volunteer support available at other schools. My advice for someone with a special needs child is I think the old adage of get the cheapest housing in the wealthiest area. As for gifted, the wealthy areas will also have more resources since more parents will be providing tutoring and pushing for accelerated options. If your child is very gifted then there are true gifted magnet programs, which require budding usually, that they can attempt to gain entrance to.

As someone who works at an affluent school, I'd say we get the least amount of resources because it's seen as we can handle it and don't need it. We get less staffing...we don't have focus teachers, extra special Education teachers, full time reading initiative, and larger class sizes. The most we have for the gifted kid is elc and compact math. We do have a great pta.

Of course wealthy schools have less resources that Title 1 and Focus schools. That is the entire point of a school being Title 1 or Focus. PP was saying wealthy schools have more resources relative to the need. The students at wealthy schools do not have the same needs as students as low income schools.

That's really odd because that other post that shows spending per student at various HS in moco shows that its higher at places like Whitman and CHurchill with <5% FARMS than Blair which is closer to 40%, the county average.

A big part of spending per school is due to longevity of staff. For a variety of reasons, some schools have older staff, those staff get higher on the pay scale.

But, sure, spin it to find a conspiracy - it's the DCUM Way!

High income schools have more experienced staff. It's not a "conspiracy" - it's a reality.

Sure. But some want to spin it as a deliberate effort to shortchange lower income schools by paying teachers less there. Correlation is not causation.

It becomes deliberate when it is a known issue for many years and shown by research as well, but little or no effort/resources are put into incentivizing experienced teachers to go to and stay in higher poverty schools. County residents would not support this, and we know it. It's a choice we make every year.

Experience means knowing better than to waste one’s time teaching kids who many don’t want to learn. It would take quite the incentive to get a teacher late in their career to opt in to being a glorified babysitter in many cases assuming the incentives were structured to direct them where the biggest problems are. No teacher minds being in a select magnet program with kids that want to be there, general pop it gets dicier when you start dealing with unmotivated kids with no support and limited repercussions. Yes some what to learn but many don’t and that’s where your time would have to be directed

Let’s stop using language like this. Most kids in MoCo are not in a selective magnet. They may be in special programs or taking advance classes or taking on level classes. The majority of the kids are the “general pop” as you said. And the ones wanting to learn or wanting help and support, outnumbers those that don’t.

The far-right posters here fantasize about turning public schools into kid prisons complete with SRO guards.

[Anonymous]

Even the kids in Title 1 schools are worthy. Yes some don’t want to be there in HS. But some do and just don’t have resources at home or the best environment to go home too. Doesn’t mean they’re not teachable.

I personally believe that all kids in ES want to learn. I’m not a teacher but used to volunteer twice a week in a focus elem school. Those kids all wanted to learn and be part of their class.

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What does the friend like about Arcola? Is it good for a SN type kid or a gifted type?

Anonymous wrote:A friend likes Arcola.

We were at a different Title 1 and left bc my kid was clearly bored and being ignored. We went to a Focus School, which was a nice mix of diversity yet manageable needs.

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How can one find out if the school is Title 1?

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We've had a great experience at Montgomery Knolls, which is Focus, but not Title 1.

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Anonymous wrote:How can one find out if the school is Title 1?

They are listed on this page:

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/dtecps/title1/schools/