Why is everything so expensive (general rant)

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I believe the impact of the Baby Boomers retiring en mass has not been properly accounted for in the inflation narrative, particularly when it comes to the price of services.

Back when we bought our house in 2017, we got a few handyman recommendations and some of these were men were pushing 60. They actually took time to do a decent job and their rates were very affordable. Now? They've left the labor force - many left the area completely. Their replacements are younger subcontractors who don't speak much English and their bosses charge high rates.

Boomers who already had some assets they bought cheaply - a paid off truck, an older modest home out in PG or HoCo or Up-County MoCo - didn't demand a ton of money for their wages. They didn't have high overhead.

The same thing was prevalent when we were renting in DC - I would usually rent from someone who had owned the property for 20-30 years. They were not price sensitive because the home was either paid off or bought for a song with a stupid-low mortgage. As soon as that Boomer sold the RE for huge appreciation, the next owner would need to jack up the rent to cover the big mortgage.

I think the narrative of the "missing" Baby Boomers has received short shrift in our discussion about prices. When we see this generational turnover in the workplace AND with long-held asset sales, it spurs inflationary pressures.
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Anonymous wrote:I'm in Canada and +1 to all this. No Biden here to blame! It's just crazy. It honestly makes me weep.


It's like this in most places now. Companies are making money hand over fist, but they are giving very few people raises.
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Anonymous wrote:We've had significant inflation since 2020. I know you don't want to blame Biden or make it political but while I don't blame it solely on Biden, the scale of federal spending since 2019 exploded and Biden's economic policies are definitely, unquestionably part of the inflationary causes. IJIA dumped staggering amounts of spending on the economy. The student loan forgiveness freed up more money to spend.

And as PP pointed out, a lot of stuff isn't recorded in the official inflation statistics, like food or housing.

When prices go up, everything has an effect on everything else and becomes a vicious spiral. Things are calming down but it's still going to take a while (years) before people's incomes catch up.



Why don’t you want to blame Biden? It’s Biden’s fault. Why are you beholden to stick up fir him?


You act as if blaming Biden will in one second make me taller, thinner, more popular with boys, and friendly to cute animals.


Well, definitely more of a chance of that than if you defended him.


+1. One step closer to the truth is always more attractive and therefore healthier than living in denial 7B"value

It’s Bidenomics, OP. Own it.


No, because it not true. It is not true just because you say so twice.
"more than a chance than if I defended him"? You believe in manifestation? Our thoughts and beliefs can make truth?
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Anonymous wrote:inflation is much higher than stated. Things like car repairs, maintenance, etc have gone up astronomically and are hard to measure. Paying people to sit at home was incredibly disruptive to the labor market and was a failed experiment.


Remember how the Biden administration kept using the term “transitory inflation?”

Biden’s government is incapable of being honest.


I am tired of this utter garbage.

Trump caused this learn econ.

And moron you want a 60% tax on everything when he gets back? "Trump confirmed that he would impose tariffs of 60% or higher on Chinese goods were he to win a second term in office"

You like food right? Well gee who is going to work the farms when they deport everyone? Your white son or daughter

Biden is not the problem Republcians and CEO's are. What do you think when Trump and any REpublican for that matter deregulate everything? Jesus you freaks are stupid.



Literally everything you said is a lie. Your entire post is gaslighting.


Go back to your basement and keep watching Fox or Alex Jones. Trump is going to make the rich richer and that’s it. He doesn’t care about your finances at all.
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Anonymous wrote:I believe the impact of the Baby Boomers retiring en mass has not been properly accounted for in the inflation narrative, particularly when it comes to the price of services.

Back when we bought our house in 2017, we got a few handyman recommendations and some of these were men were pushing 60. They actually took time to do a decent job and their rates were very affordable. Now? They've left the labor force - many left the area completely. Their replacements are younger subcontractors who don't speak much English and their bosses charge high rates.

Boomers who already had some assets they bought cheaply - a paid off truck, an older modest home out in PG or HoCo or Up-County MoCo - didn't demand a ton of money for their wages. They didn't have high overhead.

The same thing was prevalent when we were renting in DC - I would usually rent from someone who had owned the property for 20-30 years. They were not price sensitive because the home was either paid off or bought for a song with a stupid-low mortgage. As soon as that Boomer sold the RE for huge appreciation, the next owner would need to jack up the rent to cover the big mortgage.

I think the narrative of the "missing" Baby Boomers has received short shrift in our discussion about prices. When we see this generational turnover in the workplace AND with long-held asset sales, it spurs inflationary pressures.


Very interesting presentation on this issue: "Revenge Of The Baby Boomers"

https://www.financialplanningassociation.org/sites/default/files/2023-09/2.%20Federated%20Hermes-%20Revenge%20of%20the%20Baby%20Boomers-August%202023-Linda%20Duessel.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. The one that gets me is hotel prices. And we stay in budget-to-midlevel hotels, so I'm talking like, at best, and Embassy Suites. And not in NYC or something, but like in Nashville or Denver. You will wind up spending $250 a night for one room, and then you'll have to pay for valet parking on top of that, they won't come clean your room unless you ask, and the pool will be out of service when you get there.

It honestly makes me feel like there is no point in traveling. You wind up spending so much money on flight and accommodations that are barely serviceable, and then you're struggling to stay in budget before you even get to anything you do while there. It's ridiculous. Throw in all the service charges and cleaning fees and other random charges that are tacked onto everything and it's like, I should just stay home and get nice takeout or something. Spend the money I'd spend on a hotel on having someone clean my own house and some high threadcount sheets and call it a day.

We are trying to save to move out of the HCOL DMV and even that is hard. I don't know. The world is not built for middle class people.


I agree, hotel prices are insane, flights too, and service is the worst ever, as if airlines and hotels were doing you a favor by letting you travel.


It's that last part. It would be one thing it the cost of hotels and flights had gone up but it felt like the service level was at least consistent with like 2016/2017 level service. But since Covid, service especially at hotels and restaurants is just down the toilet. I know they are having trouble staffing and retaining staff and that's a huge part of it. But when you're paying so much more to get so much less service, it is painful.

We used to be able to do a quick weekend getaway like what OP is talking about for a few hundred dollars. Maybe a night in a hotel in Richmond or Charlottesville or Philly, a dinner out, plus travel, Maybe go to a museum or other attraction. Nothing elaborate. We'd go to Philly where they have those BYO restaurants for alcohol and it would make dinner super cheap -- buy a good bottle of wine or tequila for margaritas on the way. Get discount Amtrak tickets or just drive.

This now costs twice what it used to and it's just not worth it. Every aspect of it costs so much more. The hotel that used to be $180 is now $300. Valet parking for one night is $50 instead of $20. Dinner sans alcohol is $90 instead of $60. The alcohol is $40 instead of $25. And so on. The Amtrak tickets are twice as much even buying early on discount. Or gas is pricier. The car we drive in is pricier. Museum tickets are pricier.

We make about 15% more now than we did in 2017. That trip costs 100% more. It doesn't add up.

In terms of actual value for money, we are poorer now than we were 7 years ago. Our money doesn't go as far, it's' harder to save, and even when we do save, it offers us less leverage than ever.

It's like trying to climb up the down escalator. I don't think we'll ever make it to the top.
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We had very little inflation and very low interest rates for a long time in most sectors... Exceptions being housing, healthcare, and education. Now costs are coming more in line. It sucks.
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Anonymous wrote:I believe the impact of the Baby Boomers retiring en mass has not been properly accounted for in the inflation narrative, particularly when it comes to the price of services.

Back when we bought our house in 2017, we got a few handyman recommendations and some of these were men were pushing 60. They actually took time to do a decent job and their rates were very affordable. Now? They've left the labor force - many left the area completely. Their replacements are younger subcontractors who don't speak much English and their bosses charge high rates.

Boomers who already had some assets they bought cheaply - a paid off truck, an older modest home out in PG or HoCo or Up-County MoCo - didn't demand a ton of money for their wages. They didn't have high overhead.

The same thing was prevalent when we were renting in DC - I would usually rent from someone who had owned the property for 20-30 years. They were not price sensitive because the home was either paid off or bought for a song with a stupid-low mortgage. As soon as that Boomer sold the RE for huge appreciation, the next owner would need to jack up the rent to cover the big mortgage.

I think the narrative of the "missing" Baby Boomers has received short shrift in our discussion about prices. When we see this generational turnover in the workplace AND with long-held asset sales, it spurs inflationary pressures.


Very interesting presentation on this issue: "Revenge Of The Baby Boomers"

https://www.financialplanningassociation.org/sites/default/files/2023-09/2.%20Federated%20Hermes-%20Revenge%20of%20the%20Baby%20Boomers-August%202023-Linda%20Duessel.pdf



"Revenge"????

What the heck are they getting revenge for? And on whom? Who hurt them? Baby boomers had it GOOD, and still do.
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This is what you get when you cheer on lockdowns! Y’all happily wanted society shut down for the cold, and now you complain.

JFC you don’t have to be an economist to know this would happen
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Anonymous wrote:Yes. The one that gets me is hotel prices. And we stay in budget-to-midlevel hotels, so I'm talking like, at best, and Embassy Suites. And not in NYC or something, but like in Nashville or Denver. You will wind up spending $250 a night for one room, and then you'll have to pay for valet parking on top of that, they won't come clean your room unless you ask, and the pool will be out of service when you get there.

It honestly makes me feel like there is no point in traveling. You wind up spending so much money on flight and accommodations that are barely serviceable, and then you're struggling to stay in budget before you even get to anything you do while there. It's ridiculous. Throw in all the service charges and cleaning fees and other random charges that are tacked onto everything and it's like, I should just stay home and get nice takeout or something. Spend the money I'd spend on a hotel on having someone clean my own house and some high threadcount sheets and call it a day.

We are trying to save to move out of the HCOL DMV and even that is hard. I don't know. The world is not built for middle class people.


I agree, hotel prices are insane, flights too, and service is the worst ever, as if airlines and hotels were doing you a favor by letting you travel.


It's that last part. It would be one thing it the cost of hotels and flights had gone up but it felt like the service level was at least consistent with like 2016/2017 level service. But since Covid, service especially at hotels and restaurants is just down the toilet. I know they are having trouble staffing and retaining staff and that's a huge part of it. But when you're paying so much more to get so much less service, it is painful.

We used to be able to do a quick weekend getaway like what OP is talking about for a few hundred dollars. Maybe a night in a hotel in Richmond or Charlottesville or Philly, a dinner out, plus travel, Maybe go to a museum or other attraction. Nothing elaborate. We'd go to Philly where they have those BYO restaurants for alcohol and it would make dinner super cheap -- buy a good bottle of wine or tequila for margaritas on the way. Get discount Amtrak tickets or just drive.

This now costs twice what it used to and it's just not worth it. Every aspect of it costs so much more. The hotel that used to be $180 is now $300. Valet parking for one night is $50 instead of $20. Dinner sans alcohol is $90 instead of $60. The alcohol is $40 instead of $25. And so on. The Amtrak tickets are twice as much even buying early on discount. Or gas is pricier. The car we drive in is pricier. Museum tickets are pricier.

We make about 15% more now than we did in 2017. That trip costs 100% more. It doesn't add up.

In terms of actual value for money, we are poorer now than we were 7 years ago. Our money doesn't go as far, it's' harder to save, and even when we do save, it offers us less leverage than ever.

It's like trying to climb up the down escalator. I don't think we'll ever make it to the top.




No arguing on the higher costs for travel related expenses. But if you make 15% more-- let us say it is $20-50K more than 2017 for your household. That is more than enough to spend double on a couple weekend trips to Philly. Same situation for others, which is why the travel costs are high.
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Anonymous wrote:Yes. The one that gets me is hotel prices. And we stay in budget-to-midlevel hotels, so I'm talking like, at best, and Embassy Suites. And not in NYC or something, but like in Nashville or Denver. You will wind up spending $250 a night for one room, and then you'll have to pay for valet parking on top of that, they won't come clean your room unless you ask, and the pool will be out of service when you get there.

It honestly makes me feel like there is no point in traveling. You wind up spending so much money on flight and accommodations that are barely serviceable, and then you're struggling to stay in budget before you even get to anything you do while there. It's ridiculous. Throw in all the service charges and cleaning fees and other random charges that are tacked onto everything and it's like, I should just stay home and get nice takeout or something. Spend the money I'd spend on a hotel on having someone clean my own house and some high threadcount sheets and call it a day.

We are trying to save to move out of the HCOL DMV and even that is hard. I don't know. The world is not built for middle class people.


I agree, hotel prices are insane, flights too, and service is the worst ever, as if airlines and hotels were doing you a favor by letting you travel.


It's that last part. It would be one thing it the cost of hotels and flights had gone up but it felt like the service level was at least consistent with like 2016/2017 level service. But since Covid, service especially at hotels and restaurants is just down the toilet. I know they are having trouble staffing and retaining staff and that's a huge part of it. But when you're paying so much more to get so much less service, it is painful.

We used to be able to do a quick weekend getaway like what OP is talking about for a few hundred dollars. Maybe a night in a hotel in Richmond or Charlottesville or Philly, a dinner out, plus travel, Maybe go to a museum or other attraction. Nothing elaborate. We'd go to Philly where they have those BYO restaurants for alcohol and it would make dinner super cheap -- buy a good bottle of wine or tequila for margaritas on the way. Get discount Amtrak tickets or just drive.

This now costs twice what it used to and it's just not worth it. Every aspect of it costs so much more. The hotel that used to be $180 is now $300. Valet parking for one night is $50 instead of $20. Dinner sans alcohol is $90 instead of $60. The alcohol is $40 instead of $25. And so on. The Amtrak tickets are twice as much even buying early on discount. Or gas is pricier. The car we drive in is pricier. Museum tickets are pricier.

We make about 15% more now than we did in 2017. That trip costs 100% more. It doesn't add up.

In terms of actual value for money, we are poorer now than we were 7 years ago. Our money doesn't go as far, it's' harder to save, and even when we do save, it offers us less leverage than ever.

It's like trying to climb up the down escalator. I don't think we'll ever make it to the top.




No arguing on the higher costs for travel related expenses. But if you make 15% more-- let us say it is $20-50K more than 2017 for your household. That is more than enough to spend double on a couple weekend trips to Philly. Same situation for others, which is why the travel costs are high.


But why should service cost be doubled when people’s actual income is not doubled? Yes, it’s enough to afford it, but people have to spend a higher proportion of their income to do it. And they’re spending a higher proportion on many other things.
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Anonymous wrote:Yes. The one that gets me is hotel prices. And we stay in budget-to-midlevel hotels, so I'm talking like, at best, and Embassy Suites. And not in NYC or something, but like in Nashville or Denver. You will wind up spending $250 a night for one room, and then you'll have to pay for valet parking on top of that, they won't come clean your room unless you ask, and the pool will be out of service when you get there.

It honestly makes me feel like there is no point in traveling. You wind up spending so much money on flight and accommodations that are barely serviceable, and then you're struggling to stay in budget before you even get to anything you do while there. It's ridiculous. Throw in all the service charges and cleaning fees and other random charges that are tacked onto everything and it's like, I should just stay home and get nice takeout or something. Spend the money I'd spend on a hotel on having someone clean my own house and some high threadcount sheets and call it a day.

We are trying to save to move out of the HCOL DMV and even that is hard. I don't know. The world is not built for middle class people.


I agree, hotel prices are insane, flights too, and service is the worst ever, as if airlines and hotels were doing you a favor by letting you travel.


It's that last part. It would be one thing it the cost of hotels and flights had gone up but it felt like the service level was at least consistent with like 2016/2017 level service. But since Covid, service especially at hotels and restaurants is just down the toilet. I know they are having trouble staffing and retaining staff and that's a huge part of it. But when you're paying so much more to get so much less service, it is painful.

We used to be able to do a quick weekend getaway like what OP is talking about for a few hundred dollars. Maybe a night in a hotel in Richmond or Charlottesville or Philly, a dinner out, plus travel, Maybe go to a museum or other attraction. Nothing elaborate. We'd go to Philly where they have those BYO restaurants for alcohol and it would make dinner super cheap -- buy a good bottle of wine or tequila for margaritas on the way. Get discount Amtrak tickets or just drive.

This now costs twice what it used to and it's just not worth it. Every aspect of it costs so much more. The hotel that used to be $180 is now $300. Valet parking for one night is $50 instead of $20. Dinner sans alcohol is $90 instead of $60. The alcohol is $40 instead of $25. And so on. The Amtrak tickets are twice as much even buying early on discount. Or gas is pricier. The car we drive in is pricier. Museum tickets are pricier.

We make about 15% more now than we did in 2017. That trip costs 100% more. It doesn't add up.

In terms of actual value for money, we are poorer now than we were 7 years ago. Our money doesn't go as far, it's' harder to save, and even when we do save, it offers us less leverage than ever.

It's like trying to climb up the down escalator. I don't think we'll ever make it to the top.




No arguing on the higher costs for travel related expenses. But if you make 15% more-- let us say it is $20-50K more than 2017 for your household. That is more than enough to spend double on a couple weekend trips to Philly. Same situation for others, which is why the travel costs are high.


But why should service cost be doubled when people’s actual income is not doubled? Yes, it’s enough to afford it, but people have to spend a higher proportion of their income to do it. And they’re spending a higher proportion on many other things.


The subject of this thread is to rant, which is perfectly fine and actually fun. But look at fast food worker salaries since 2019. Also look at the typical white collar salary. They are up 15-30% on average compared to 2019. It is a fact. Do I spend 100 percent of salary on services? No. Services are mostly discretionary, except for home/auto insurance and a few other things. So the typical employed worker makes a lot more $ compared to a few years ago and it is reflected in service costs. A good analogy would be Disney World. I cannot justify the cost of $150 per day per person for tickets and will not go there with the kids (they are not interested in Disney anyway). Check the crowds though, it is pretty insane.
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Anonymous wrote:It sounds like you need to build up your emergency savings so that these non-recurring expenses don't wreck your budget.

Earmark separate savings for luxuries/treats. So they're not conflicting with each other.


This isn’t a question about personal budget. There is no budget hack for simply not making enough money and things costing so much

The question is why do things cost so much?


The shortages during the pandemic allowed people to raise prices and there is now no reason for them to reduce pricing.
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Anonymous wrote:Yes. The one that gets me is hotel prices. And we stay in budget-to-midlevel hotels, so I'm talking like, at best, and Embassy Suites. And not in NYC or something, but like in Nashville or Denver. You will wind up spending $250 a night for one room, and then you'll have to pay for valet parking on top of that, they won't come clean your room unless you ask, and the pool will be out of service when you get there.

It honestly makes me feel like there is no point in traveling. You wind up spending so much money on flight and accommodations that are barely serviceable, and then you're struggling to stay in budget before you even get to anything you do while there. It's ridiculous. Throw in all the service charges and cleaning fees and other random charges that are tacked onto everything and it's like, I should just stay home and get nice takeout or something. Spend the money I'd spend on a hotel on having someone clean my own house and some high threadcount sheets and call it a day.

We are trying to save to move out of the HCOL DMV and even that is hard. I don't know. The world is not built for middle class people.


I agree, hotel prices are insane, flights too, and service is the worst ever, as if airlines and hotels were doing you a favor by letting you travel.


Also agree. We make a higher salary than ever and yet travel has become too expensive. Going on a vacation to a National Park feels like a huge expense (airfare, rental car, hotel), when it didn’t seem like a big deal a few years ago.


Everyone in your peer group is making a higher salary and prices have risen accordingly. The vacays you want to take now, were they ones you could have afforded before the pandemic?


Yes, things that we used to do seem unaffordable now, even though we earn more.


The low and no skilled people have more money now, so they are adding to the people wanting to travel, etc, more demand, higher prices.


This is not true at all and I feel bad that you believe this.


Actually, this is true. I employ painters, window washers, cleaners, landscapers, flooring and carpet installers, gutter cleaner, to prep houses for sale. All of their rates have gone up substantially. Another change in the last five years is more women going into the trades. Someone else mentioned older men retiring during the pandemic because they had enough money and didn't need to bust their butts. Many of the painters are now women, and I also see them in plumbing and electrical companies. One company I use does both cleaning and painting. The owner who started out as a painter said that he couldn't find painters and trained young cleaning women to paint at twice the hourly rate they got cleaning.

The higher wages are contributing to inflation -- at least in this area.
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Anonymous wrote:It sounds like you need to build up your emergency savings so that these non-recurring expenses don't wreck your budget.

Earmark separate savings for luxuries/treats. So they're not conflicting with each other.


This isn’t a question about personal budget. There is no budget hack for simply not making enough money and things costing so much

The question is why do things cost so much?


The shortages during the pandemic allowed people to raise prices and there is now no reason for them to reduce pricing.


Exactly. It’s so obvious - look at all of the companies and their stock prices. Their CEOs are making tens of millions in bonuses.
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