Any Canada-bound?

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain how this works for citizenship / permanent residency?

If I'm not a canadian citizen, can my kid apply and if they get in, attend school in Canada? While they are there, can they apply for permanent residency and evenyually citizenship?

My kid is a HS freshman but is very interested in Canadian schools

They can get accepted as an American and probably get work visas…but citizenship is a whole different story, and you certainly won’t get it in any timeframe that helps for Canadian tuition.

Still, Canadian schools are like US$65k all in…not cheaper than instate, but cheaper than most US privates.

Also, tuition differs by major…STEM is more expensive than say liberal arts.

Not worried about tuition but I would think employers up there would favor PR/citizens for job offers. And is health care for anyone in Canada or do you have to be PR/citizen? Would i have to get DS private health care while he's in school there

Yes you would have to pay for health insurance in Canada if your child is not a citizen. In terms of jobs, I think they can help a person become a citizen if they want to hire you. I do not think you can just show up for college and say Hi...I would like to be Canadian! Is there a form?

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Anonymous wrote:We were also disappointed by McGill’s tuition increase, which is explicitly designed to discourage applications outside of the Province. Another thing is that your kid won’t be able to get a part time job or internship in Montreal unless they are certified fluent in French.

I can't find any evidence of this. I found evidence that international students won't be able to get a work permit AFTER they graduate or else they speak basic French, but they can work while they are enrolled.

Yeah, everyone in Montreal speaks English fluently anyway.

Not true. Maybe for young people but when we there in the summer there were older folks that I wanted to speak with that didn’t speak English, only French. I was surprised!

haha. they probably just didn't want to talk to YOU

It was just striking that people older than me said they couldn’t speak English and yet younger people were ok to. It seemed generational.

For example, I wanted to buy a book in a store and they had to find a younger person to speak English with me. This was in a neighborhood 5 miles from McGill.

And all the signs and directions are in French. I just expected it to be more bilingual and was a bit caught off guard that French truly is the primary language in Montréal.

You sound really ignorant and very American.

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Anonymous wrote:DS got into McGill and a UK uni and ended getting cold feet and staying closer to home

Is your son waiting on other news? Toronto is an excellent university, and is better-known worldwide than UMich, which might be a consideration if he wants to work for a multinational corporation or work abroad. Canadian universities don't hand-hold as much as US ones, so that's also something to consider. You also need to consider major compatibility. Is one of them stronger for his major?

Toronto is not better known than Michigan worldwide. I think you’re conflating Michigan with UVA.

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Anonymous wrote:DS got into McGill and a UK uni and ended getting cold feet and staying closer to home

Is your son waiting on other news? Toronto is an excellent university, and is better-known worldwide than UMich, which might be a consideration if he wants to work for a multinational corporation or work abroad. Canadian universities don't hand-hold as much as US ones, so that's also something to consider. You also need to consider major compatibility. Is one of them stronger for his major?

Toronto is not better known than Michigan worldwide. I think you’re conflating Michigan with UVA.

Interestingly enough in a study done by American Cadwell about international name recognition…Toronto is #5 and Michigan is #6.

So, let’s call it a tie.

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Anonymous wrote:DS got into McGill and a UK uni and ended getting cold feet and staying closer to home

Is your son waiting on other news? Toronto is an excellent university, and is better-known worldwide than UMich, which might be a consideration if he wants to work for a multinational corporation or work abroad. Canadian universities don't hand-hold as much as US ones, so that's also something to consider. You also need to consider major compatibility. Is one of them stronger for his major?

Toronto is not better known than Michigan worldwide. I think you’re conflating Michigan with UVA.

Interestingly enough in a study done by American Cadwell about international name recognition…Toronto is #5 and Michigan is #6.

So, let’s call it a tie.

OP again, lots of great insights in this thread! My main concern is the employability with a Canadian degree from Toronto compared to Michigan. I would assume it is easier to get a job in the United States with a US college degree. But how significant is that difference? Also housing does not seem to be guaranteed all 4 years at either school, so that is another concern.

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Anonymous wrote:DS got into McGill and a UK uni and ended getting cold feet and staying closer to home

Is your son waiting on other news? Toronto is an excellent university, and is better-known worldwide than UMich, which might be a consideration if he wants to work for a multinational corporation or work abroad. Canadian universities don't hand-hold as much as US ones, so that's also something to consider. You also need to consider major compatibility. Is one of them stronger for his major?

Toronto is not better known than Michigan worldwide. I think you’re conflating Michigan with UVA.

Interestingly enough in a study done by American Cadwell about international name recognition…Toronto is #5 and Michigan is #6.

So, let’s call it a tie.

OP again, lots of great insights in this thread! My main concern is the employability with a Canadian degree from Toronto compared to Michigan. I would assume it is easier to get a job in the United States with a US college degree. But how significant is that difference? Also housing does not seem to be guaranteed all 4 years at either school, so that is another concern.

What is your kid studying? Toronto is very well known for STEM degrees in the US. So, attending Toronto makes you viable to work for Canadian companies (you are already in Canada and work permits are easier for STEM fields) and US companies.

Maybe it’s different for humanities or business…though Toronto is the Wall Street of Canada (don’t laugh), so you are in the heart of Canadian finance.

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Does your child prefer to live in Canada after graduation? I have two nieces that go to Canadian colleges (Dad is Canadian but has never really lived there). One kid is sure she would never live in the US again. The other is not so fond of Canada and will likely return to the US.

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Anonymous wrote:DS got into McGill and a UK uni and ended getting cold feet and staying closer to home

Is your son waiting on other news? Toronto is an excellent university, and is better-known worldwide than UMich, which might be a consideration if he wants to work for a multinational corporation or work abroad. Canadian universities don't hand-hold as much as US ones, so that's also something to consider. You also need to consider major compatibility. Is one of them stronger for his major?

Toronto is not better known than Michigan worldwide. I think you’re conflating Michigan with UVA.

Interestingly enough in a study done by American Cadwell about international name recognition…Toronto is #5 and Michigan is #6.

So, let’s call it a tie.

OP again, lots of great insights in this thread! My main concern is the employability with a Canadian degree from Toronto compared to Michigan. I would assume it is easier to get a job in the United States with a US college degree. But how significant is that difference? Also housing does not seem to be guaranteed all 4 years at either school, so that is another concern.

What is your kid studying? Toronto is very well known for STEM degrees in the US. So, attending Toronto makes you viable to work for Canadian companies (you are already in Canada and work permits are easier for STEM fields) and US companies.

Maybe it’s different for humanities or business…though Toronto is the Wall Street of Canada (don’t laugh), so you are in the heart of Canadian finance.

My son is planning to study CS. He was accepted into his major directly at Toronto but cannot do CS at Michigan (he would do data science there instead). Not sure if the differences are significant enough to pick one over the other for the major. But it sounds like Toronto has good employability in the United States too... we may have to visit for him to make up his mind.

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Anonymous wrote:DS got into McGill and a UK uni and ended getting cold feet and staying closer to home

Is your son waiting on other news? Toronto is an excellent university, and is better-known worldwide than UMich, which might be a consideration if he wants to work for a multinational corporation or work abroad. Canadian universities don't hand-hold as much as US ones, so that's also something to consider. You also need to consider major compatibility. Is one of them stronger for his major?

Toronto is not better known than Michigan worldwide. I think you’re conflating Michigan with UVA.

Interestingly enough in a study done by American Cadwell about international name recognition…Toronto is #5 and Michigan is #6.

So, let’s call it a tie.

OP again, lots of great insights in this thread! My main concern is the employability with a Canadian degree from Toronto compared to Michigan. I would assume it is easier to get a job in the United States with a US college degree. But how significant is that difference? Also housing does not seem to be guaranteed all 4 years at either school, so that is another concern.

What is your kid studying? Toronto is very well known for STEM degrees in the US. So, attending Toronto makes you viable to work for Canadian companies (you are already in Canada and work permits are easier for STEM fields) and US companies.

Maybe it’s different for humanities or business…though Toronto is the Wall Street of Canada (don’t laugh), so you are in the heart of Canadian finance.

My son is planning to study CS. He was accepted into his major directly at Toronto but cannot do CS at Michigan (he would do data science there instead). Not sure if the differences are significant enough to pick one over the other for the major. But it sounds like Toronto has good employability in the United States too... we may have to visit for him to make up his mind.

Yes…no problems on that front…and if your son specializes in AI topics he could very well study with literally the people who did the foundational research

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Anonymous wrote:McGill will not reguire it this year, but starting 25/26 they may require you to have Level 5 oral French Proficiency to graduate-yet TBD. Does anyone know what this correlates to? Is it like level of French 4 AP ? French 3? We are dual citizens and while I dont agree with the crazy international tuition hike it may make it easier for my kids to get in...but they are studying Spanish not French in school.

Here you go: https://montrealgazette.com/news/quebec/what-is-level-5-french-and-how-good-will-out-of-province-students-language-skills-need-to-be

Remembering my AP days, this is a higher requirement than what’s needed to get a 5 on the French lang AP

I dont think so 1-4 is beginning French and 5 is the first level of intermediate

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Anonymous wrote:DS got into McGill and a UK uni and ended getting cold feet and staying closer to home

Is your son waiting on other news? Toronto is an excellent university, and is better-known worldwide than UMich, which might be a consideration if he wants to work for a multinational corporation or work abroad. Canadian universities don't hand-hold as much as US ones, so that's also something to consider. You also need to consider major compatibility. Is one of them stronger for his major?

Toronto is not better known than Michigan worldwide. I think you’re conflating Michigan with UVA.

Interestingly enough in a study done by American Cadwell about international name recognition…Toronto is #5 and Michigan is #6.

So, let’s call it a tie.

OP again, lots of great insights in this thread! My main concern is the employability with a Canadian degree from Toronto compared to Michigan. I would assume it is easier to get a job in the United States with a US college degree. But how significant is that difference? Also housing does not seem to be guaranteed all 4 years at either school, so that is another concern.

What is your kid studying? Toronto is very well known for STEM degrees in the US. So, attending Toronto makes you viable to work for Canadian companies (you are already in Canada and work permits are easier for STEM fields) and US companies.

Maybe it’s different for humanities or business…though Toronto is the Wall Street of Canada (don’t laugh), so you are in the heart of Canadian finance.

My son is planning to study CS. He was accepted into his major directly at Toronto but cannot do CS at Michigan (he would do data science there instead). Not sure if the differences are significant enough to pick one over the other for the major. But it sounds like Toronto has good employability in the United States too... we may have to visit for him to make up his mind.

I would encourage him to go to U of T and get a real CS degree. Data science is only helpful if he wants to go into a statistics/AI field or something adjacent and you can do that with a CS degree too, especially from Toronto.

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Anonymous wrote:DS got into McGill and a UK uni and ended getting cold feet and staying closer to home

Is your son waiting on other news? Toronto is an excellent university, and is better-known worldwide than UMich, which might be a consideration if he wants to work for a multinational corporation or work abroad. Canadian universities don't hand-hold as much as US ones, so that's also something to consider. You also need to consider major compatibility. Is one of them stronger for his major?

Toronto is not better known than Michigan worldwide. I think you’re conflating Michigan with UVA.

Interestingly enough in a study done by American Cadwell about international name recognition…Toronto is #5 and Michigan is #6.

So, let’s call it a tie.

OP again, lots of great insights in this thread! My main concern is the employability with a Canadian degree from Toronto compared to Michigan. I would assume it is easier to get a job in the United States with a US college degree. But how significant is that difference? Also housing does not seem to be guaranteed all 4 years at either school, so that is another concern.

What is your kid studying? Toronto is very well known for STEM degrees in the US. So, attending Toronto makes you viable to work for Canadian companies (you are already in Canada and work permits are easier for STEM fields) and US companies.

Maybe it’s different for humanities or business…though Toronto is the Wall Street of Canada (don’t laugh), so you are in the heart of Canadian finance.

My son is planning to study CS. He was accepted into his major directly at Toronto but cannot do CS at Michigan (he would do data science there instead). Not sure if the differences are significant enough to pick one over the other for the major. But it sounds like Toronto has good employability in the United States too... we may have to visit for him to make up his mind.

I would encourage him to go to U of T and get a real CS degree. Data science is only helpful if he wants to go into a statistics/AI field or something adjacent and you can do that with a CS degree too, especially from Toronto.

Another thing he is considering is the difference in the culture of both schools. Michigan seems to have more school spirit and seems to be a community of leaders while Toronto feels like a more serious academic school. I want him to enjoy his college experience too since he has worked so hard in high school. I think he could thrive at either school so I will leave the choice to him.... but the CS degree at U of T seems favorable, IMO

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Anonymous wrote:DS got into McGill and a UK uni and ended getting cold feet and staying closer to home

Is your son waiting on other news? Toronto is an excellent university, and is better-known worldwide than UMich, which might be a consideration if he wants to work for a multinational corporation or work abroad. Canadian universities don't hand-hold as much as US ones, so that's also something to consider. You also need to consider major compatibility. Is one of them stronger for his major?

Toronto is not better known than Michigan worldwide. I think you’re conflating Michigan with UVA.

Interestingly enough in a study done by American Cadwell about international name recognition…Toronto is #5 and Michigan is #6.

So, let’s call it a tie.

OP again, lots of great insights in this thread! My main concern is the employability with a Canadian degree from Toronto compared to Michigan. I would assume it is easier to get a job in the United States with a US college degree. But how significant is that difference? Also housing does not seem to be guaranteed all 4 years at either school, so that is another concern.

What is your kid studying? Toronto is very well known for STEM degrees in the US. So, attending Toronto makes you viable to work for Canadian companies (you are already in Canada and work permits are easier for STEM fields) and US companies.

Maybe it’s different for humanities or business…though Toronto is the Wall Street of Canada (don’t laugh), so you are in the heart of Canadian finance.

My son is planning to study CS. He was accepted into his major directly at Toronto but cannot do CS at Michigan (he would do data science there instead). Not sure if the differences are significant enough to pick one over the other for the major. But it sounds like Toronto has good employability in the United States too... we may have to visit for him to make up his mind.

I would encourage him to go to U of T and get a real CS degree. Data science is only helpful if he wants to go into a statistics/AI field or something adjacent and you can do that with a CS degree too, especially from Toronto.

Another thing he is considering is the difference in the culture of both schools. Michigan seems to have more school spirit and seems to be a community of leaders while Toronto feels like a more serious academic school. I want him to enjoy his college experience too since he has worked so hard in high school. I think he could thrive at either school so I will leave the choice to him.... but the CS degree at U of T seems favorable, IMO

He should want an urban school…very different campus feel and kids spend more time on city activities vs Michigan.

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Anonymous wrote:DS got into McGill and a UK uni and ended getting cold feet and staying closer to home

Is your son waiting on other news? Toronto is an excellent university, and is better-known worldwide than UMich, which might be a consideration if he wants to work for a multinational corporation or work abroad. Canadian universities don't hand-hold as much as US ones, so that's also something to consider. You also need to consider major compatibility. Is one of them stronger for his major?

Toronto is not better known than Michigan worldwide. I think you’re conflating Michigan with UVA.

Interestingly enough in a study done by American Cadwell about international name recognition…Toronto is #5 and Michigan is #6.

So, let’s call it a tie.

OP again, lots of great insights in this thread! My main concern is the employability with a Canadian degree from Toronto compared to Michigan. I would assume it is easier to get a job in the United States with a US college degree. But how significant is that difference? Also housing does not seem to be guaranteed all 4 years at either school, so that is another concern.

What is your kid studying? Toronto is very well known for STEM degrees in the US. So, attending Toronto makes you viable to work for Canadian companies (you are already in Canada and work permits are easier for STEM fields) and US companies.

Maybe it’s different for humanities or business…though Toronto is the Wall Street of Canada (don’t laugh), so you are in the heart of Canadian finance.

My son is planning to study CS. He was accepted into his major directly at Toronto but cannot do CS at Michigan (he would do data science there instead). Not sure if the differences are significant enough to pick one over the other for the major. But it sounds like Toronto has good employability in the United States too... we may have to visit for him to make up his mind.

I would encourage him to go to U of T and get a real CS degree. Data science is only helpful if he wants to go into a statistics/AI field or something adjacent and you can do that with a CS degree too, especially from Toronto.

Another thing he is considering is the difference in the culture of both schools. Michigan seems to have more school spirit and seems to be a community of leaders while Toronto feels like a more serious academic school. I want him to enjoy his college experience too since he has worked so hard in high school. I think he could thrive at either school so I will leave the choice to him.... but the CS degree at U of T seems favorable, IMO

Ah that makes sense. While I think a CS degree from U of T would be better, that’s informed by my interest (I’m in CS, but don’t do or want to do AI for one thing) and which school he feels most comfortable at is the most important thing.

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Toronto only feels like a more serious academic school because it lacks in school spirit. They are both very serious academic schools.