Division 3 Sports, Unrecruited Athlete

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Anonymous wrote:FWIW, don't go in with high expectations. DS approached the college coach after admissions and was basically stiff armed. They do tend to bring in all they need through the recruitment process, even if none of them are getting $$ or a thumb on the scale.

Boys may be different in terms of timing but my female rising college freshman was offered her spot (D3) late in her HS junior year and committed in July, then was accepted (high academic school) ED. It’s pretty late to be having a first conversation with the coach. Agree that Coach Renee is great and her steps worked for us but my kid started the process as a sophomore. And had lots and lots of video to share with the coach— do you have film?

How could it be late to having a discussion? Plenty of schools haven't even issued admission decisions yet. Why would an athlete be having discussions with a coach of a school he isn't in yet?

All your comments here indicate you are not familiar with college recruitment.

Seriously this.

Look, I happen to believe that there is a D3 spot for most decent athletes who want to play. If you go in with the right expectations. I def know kids who were not that great, but have spots in college at low level competitive D3 schools. But, hey, they are still playing in college.

But, while some schools recruit late (through end of senior year) most are earlier. These athletes have been talking with coaches, going to clinics, and sending film for a couple years. It's the rare situation where you can expect to swan in the fall of the first year of college (or summer before) and expect to get a spot.

I guess I'm special because I know two kids that did exactly that. One for Tennis at Denison and one for Swimming at Kenyon. I'll have to reach out and let their dads know what unicorns they are.

We know several kids that have done this too. Some of these 'D1 or bust' parents who have spent thousands of dollars and hours have their heads so far up their butts. There is no other world except theirs.

+1

Only a Dbag would type "I def know kids who were not that great, but have spots in college at low level competitive D3 schools".

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Anonymous wrote:FWIW, don't go in with high expectations. DS approached the college coach after admissions and was basically stiff armed. They do tend to bring in all they need through the recruitment process, even if none of them are getting $$ or a thumb on the scale.

Boys may be different in terms of timing but my female rising college freshman was offered her spot (D3) late in her HS junior year and committed in July, then was accepted (high academic school) ED. It’s pretty late to be having a first conversation with the coach. Agree that Coach Renee is great and her steps worked for us but my kid started the process as a sophomore. And had lots and lots of video to share with the coach— do you have film?

How could it be late to having a discussion? Plenty of schools haven't even issued admission decisions yet. Why would an athlete be having discussions with a coach of a school he isn't in yet?

All your comments here indicate you are not familiar with college recruitment.

Seriously this.

Look, I happen to believe that there is a D3 spot for most decent athletes who want to play. If you go in with the right expectations. I def know kids who were not that great, but have spots in college at low level competitive D3 schools. But, hey, they are still playing in college.

But, while some schools recruit late (through end of senior year) most are earlier. These athletes have been talking with coaches, going to clinics, and sending film for a couple years. It's the rare situation where you can expect to swan in the fall of the first year of college (or summer before) and expect to get a spot.

Seen it happen and seen them okay minutes over recruited kids. How you like them apples?

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Anonymous wrote:It wouldn't be different had they played for the HS, btw.

+1. I don't understand the question. In most NCAA sports, the club teams rule and playing for HS is irrelevant.

Often true, but some sports it would look very odd to not play in HS, especially if your HS is competitive in that sport.

Football is the one sport where HS really matters, as there really is not a travel circuit. Basketball it technically does not matter, but it would look odd to attend Sidwell and play on an AAU team but not for the HS. That would usually be a tell that you were not good enough to play for Sidwell (which is very strong in basketball).

Same, if you attend SJC and don't play on the baseball team but play travel baseball...the only exception would be if you are so good that you are playing on one of the crazy national travel teams where literally 1/2 the team sends kids to the MLB. However, even those teams don't usually play during the main HS baseball season. Also, if you are on one of those teams everyone knows who you are and you aren't playing D3 baseball.

Soccer is definitely different. Kids play for academy teams that often won't allow you to play for the HS team.

That’s non sensical. My son plays baseball for a school that would be creamed by SJC and he might not make the team at SJC. But he is being recruited now by D2 and D3 teams. Not being the best of the best doesn’t mean you can’t get a roster spot at a school that plays at your level.

Many D3s will happily take you onto the team at this point (assuming kid is a senior) whether still applying or already in. At my kids school his baseball teammates have decided to play baseball at their selected school after they made their selection much more often than going through a “recruitment process” because baseball just isn’t that important to most of them. They’ll play if it works out, but they aren’t going to shape their college choice around it.

My kid is an outlier - he desperately wants to play, so we’ll make sure he does the recruitment thing and the coach truly wants him.

Your kid goes to a different school, so you are not really making the same point. My argument is that it would look odd to attend SJC, play travel baseball but not play on the SJC team. Certainly, kids that play on teams that SJC "creams" also get recruited because you can be a pretty good player, but your overall team stinks.

Considering SJC has many kids that don't get recruited by anyone, it also makes no sense that your recruited kid would not even make the SJC team.

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Anonymous wrote:It wouldn't be different had they played for the HS, btw.

+1. I don't understand the question. In most NCAA sports, the club teams rule and playing for HS is irrelevant.

Often true, but some sports it would look very odd to not play in HS, especially if your HS is competitive in that sport.

Football is the one sport where HS really matters, as there really is not a travel circuit. Basketball it technically does not matter, but it would look odd to attend Sidwell and play on an AAU team but not for the HS. That would usually be a tell that you were not good enough to play for Sidwell (which is very strong in basketball).

Same, if you attend SJC and don't play on the baseball team but play travel baseball...the only exception would be if you are so good that you are playing on one of the crazy national travel teams where literally 1/2 the team sends kids to the MLB. However, even those teams don't usually play during the main HS baseball season. Also, if you are on one of those teams everyone knows who you are and you aren't playing D3 baseball.

Soccer is definitely different. Kids play for academy teams that often won't allow you to play for the HS team.

Yes, that is why the PP said "most" NCAA sports (i.e. with those 3 in mind).

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Anonymous wrote:FWIW, don't go in with high expectations. DS approached the college coach after admissions and was basically stiff armed. They do tend to bring in all they need through the recruitment process, even if none of them are getting $$ or a thumb on the scale.

Boys may be different in terms of timing but my female rising college freshman was offered her spot (D3) late in her HS junior year and committed in July, then was accepted (high academic school) ED. It’s pretty late to be having a first conversation with the coach. Agree that Coach Renee is great and her steps worked for us but my kid started the process as a sophomore. And had lots and lots of video to share with the coach— do you have film?

How could it be late to having a discussion? Plenty of schools haven't even issued admission decisions yet. Why would an athlete be having discussions with a coach of a school he isn't in yet?

All your comments here indicate you are not familiar with college recruitment.

Seriously this.

Look, I happen to believe that there is a D3 spot for most decent athletes who want to play. If you go in with the right expectations. I def know kids who were not that great, but have spots in college at low level competitive D3 schools. But, hey, they are still playing in college.

But, while some schools recruit late (through end of senior year) most are earlier. These athletes have been talking with coaches, going to clinics, and sending film for a couple years. It's the rare situation where you can expect to swan in the fall of the first year of college (or summer before) and expect to get a spot.

I guess I'm special because I know two kids that did exactly that. One for Tennis at Denison and one for Swimming at Kenyon. I'll have to reach out and let their dads know what unicorns they are.

We know several kids that have done this too. Some of these 'D1 or bust' parents who have spent thousands of dollars and hours have their heads so far up their butts. There is no other world except theirs.

My son plays a D1 sport and at least 5 kids on his team have this story.

Also ESPN shows videos of walking getting scholarships all the time.

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Anonymous wrote:It wouldn't be different had they played for the HS, btw.

+1. I don't understand the question. In most NCAA sports, the club teams rule and playing for HS is irrelevant.

Often true, but some sports it would look very odd to not play in HS, especially if your HS is competitive in that sport.

Football is the one sport where HS really matters, as there really is not a travel circuit. Basketball it technically does not matter, but it would look odd to attend Sidwell and play on an AAU team but not for the HS. That would usually be a tell that you were not good enough to play for Sidwell (which is very strong in basketball).

Same, if you attend SJC and don't play on the baseball team but play travel baseball...the only exception would be if you are so good that you are playing on one of the crazy national travel teams where literally 1/2 the team sends kids to the MLB. However, even those teams don't usually play during the main HS baseball season. Also, if you are on one of those teams everyone knows who you are and you aren't playing D3 baseball.

Soccer is definitely different. Kids play for academy teams that often won't allow you to play for the HS team.

That’s non sensical. My son plays baseball for a school that would be creamed by SJC and he might not make the team at SJC. But he is being recruited now by D2 and D3 teams. Not being the best of the best doesn’t mean you can’t get a roster spot at a school that plays at your level.

Many D3s will happily take you onto the team at this point (assuming kid is a senior) whether still applying or already in. At my kids school his baseball teammates have decided to play baseball at their selected school after they made their selection much more often than going through a “recruitment process” because baseball just isn’t that important to most of them. They’ll play if it works out, but they aren’t going to shape their college choice around it.

My kid is an outlier - he desperately wants to play, so we’ll make sure he does the recruitment thing and the coach truly wants him.

Your kid goes to a different school, so you are not really making the same point. My argument is that it would look odd to attend SJC, play travel baseball but not play on the SJC team. Certainly, kids that play on teams that SJC "creams" also get recruited because you can be a pretty good player, but your overall team stinks.

Considering SJC has many kids that don't get recruited by anyone, it also makes no sense that your recruited kid would not even make the SJC team.

Some teams are so good prospective D3 athletes might not even make the team.

Thats happened with lax.

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Anonymous wrote:FWIW, don't go in with high expectations. DS approached the college coach after admissions and was basically stiff armed. They do tend to bring in all they need through the recruitment process, even if none of them are getting $$ or a thumb on the scale.

Boys may be different in terms of timing but my female rising college freshman was offered her spot (D3) late in her HS junior year and committed in July, then was accepted (high academic school) ED. It’s pretty late to be having a first conversation with the coach. Agree that Coach Renee is great and her steps worked for us but my kid started the process as a sophomore. And had lots and lots of video to share with the coach— do you have film?

How could it be late to having a discussion? Plenty of schools haven't even issued admission decisions yet. Why would an athlete be having discussions with a coach of a school he isn't in yet?

All your comments here indicate you are not familiar with college recruitment.

Can you answer the question?

Which one?

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Anonymous wrote:FWIW, don't go in with high expectations. DS approached the college coach after admissions and was basically stiff armed. They do tend to bring in all they need through the recruitment process, even if none of them are getting $$ or a thumb on the scale.

Boys may be different in terms of timing but my female rising college freshman was offered her spot (D3) late in her HS junior year and committed in July, then was accepted (high academic school) ED. It’s pretty late to be having a first conversation with the coach. Agree that Coach Renee is great and her steps worked for us but my kid started the process as a sophomore. And had lots and lots of video to share with the coach— do you have film?

How could it be late to having a discussion? Plenty of schools haven't even issued admission decisions yet. Why would an athlete be having discussions with a coach of a school he isn't in yet?

All your comments here indicate you are not familiar with college recruitment.

Seriously this.

Look, I happen to believe that there is a D3 spot for most decent athletes who want to play. If you go in with the right expectations. I def know kids who were not that great, but have spots in college at low level competitive D3 schools. But, hey, they are still playing in college.

But, while some schools recruit late (through end of senior year) most are earlier. These athletes have been talking with coaches, going to clinics, and sending film for a couple years. It's the rare situation where you can expect to swan in the fall of the first year of college (or summer before) and expect to get a spot.

I guess I'm special because I know two kids that did exactly that. One for Tennis at Denison and one for Swimming at Kenyon. I'll have to reach out and let their dads know what unicorns they are.

We know several kids that have done this too. Some of these 'D1 or bust' parents who have spent thousands of dollars and hours have their heads so far up their butts. There is no other world except theirs.

+1

Only a Dbag would type "I def know kids who were not that great, but have spots in college at low level competitive D3 schools".

Tennis and swimming are a bit different so that may be true. Or not. I also know one in a team sport and it was indeed a "low level competitive school" that was 0-12 the year before. Kid went and didn't play a single second. But got to say they were a recruited athlete.

Just b/c you don't like it doesn't make it's a dbag statement.

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Anonymous wrote:FWIW, don't go in with high expectations. DS approached the college coach after admissions and was basically stiff armed. They do tend to bring in all they need through the recruitment process, even if none of them are getting $$ or a thumb on the scale.

Boys may be different in terms of timing but my female rising college freshman was offered her spot (D3) late in her HS junior year and committed in July, then was accepted (high academic school) ED. It’s pretty late to be having a first conversation with the coach. Agree that Coach Renee is great and her steps worked for us but my kid started the process as a sophomore. And had lots and lots of video to share with the coach— do you have film?

How could it be late to having a discussion? Plenty of schools haven't even issued admission decisions yet. Why would an athlete be having discussions with a coach of a school he isn't in yet?

All your comments here indicate you are not familiar with college recruitment.

Seriously this.

Look, I happen to believe that there is a D3 spot for most decent athletes who want to play. If you go in with the right expectations. I def know kids who were not that great, but have spots in college at low level competitive D3 schools. But, hey, they are still playing in college.

But, while some schools recruit late (through end of senior year) most are earlier. These athletes have been talking with coaches, going to clinics, and sending film for a couple years. It's the rare situation where you can expect to swan in the fall of the first year of college (or summer before) and expect to get a spot.

Seen it happen and seen them okay minutes over recruited kids. How you like them apples?

I don't give a sh-- either way, honestly. Your sample size of 1 doesn't negate the typical path, which is as described.
Fact.

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Anonymous wrote:FWIW, don't go in with high expectations. DS approached the college coach after admissions and was basically stiff armed. They do tend to bring in all they need through the recruitment process, even if none of them are getting $$ or a thumb on the scale.

Boys may be different in terms of timing but my female rising college freshman was offered her spot (D3) late in her HS junior year and committed in July, then was accepted (high academic school) ED. It’s pretty late to be having a first conversation with the coach. Agree that Coach Renee is great and her steps worked for us but my kid started the process as a sophomore. And had lots and lots of video to share with the coach— do you have film?

How could it be late to having a discussion? Plenty of schools haven't even issued admission decisions yet. Why would an athlete be having discussions with a coach of a school he isn't in yet?

All your comments here indicate you are not familiar with college recruitment.

Seriously this.

Look, I happen to believe that there is a D3 spot for most decent athletes who want to play. If you go in with the right expectations. I def know kids who were not that great, but have spots in college at low level competitive D3 schools. But, hey, they are still playing in college.

But, while some schools recruit late (through end of senior year) most are earlier. These athletes have been talking with coaches, going to clinics, and sending film for a couple years. It's the rare situation where you can expect to swan in the fall of the first year of college (or summer before) and expect to get a spot.

Seen it happen and seen them okay minutes over recruited kids. How you like them apples?

I don't give a sh-- either way, honestly. Your sample size of 1 doesn't negate the typical path, which is as described.
Fact.

Chill, bro. You're making an ass of yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:FWIW, don't go in with high expectations. DS approached the college coach after admissions and was basically stiff armed. They do tend to bring in all they need through the recruitment process, even if none of them are getting $$ or a thumb on the scale.

Boys may be different in terms of timing but my female rising college freshman was offered her spot (D3) late in her HS junior year and committed in July, then was accepted (high academic school) ED. It’s pretty late to be having a first conversation with the coach. Agree that Coach Renee is great and her steps worked for us but my kid started the process as a sophomore. And had lots and lots of video to share with the coach— do you have film?

How could it be late to having a discussion? Plenty of schools haven't even issued admission decisions yet. Why would an athlete be having discussions with a coach of a school he isn't in yet?

All your comments here indicate you are not familiar with college recruitment.

Seriously this.

Look, I happen to believe that there is a D3 spot for most decent athletes who want to play. If you go in with the right expectations. I def know kids who were not that great, but have spots in college at low level competitive D3 schools. But, hey, they are still playing in college.

But, while some schools recruit late (through end of senior year) most are earlier. These athletes have been talking with coaches, going to clinics, and sending film for a couple years. It's the rare situation where you can expect to swan in the fall of the first year of college (or summer before) and expect to get a spot.

I guess I'm special because I know two kids that did exactly that. One for Tennis at Denison and one for Swimming at Kenyon. I'll have to reach out and let their dads know what unicorns they are.

Come on. This does happen, but not as frequently as some folks believe. ESPN runs segments of folks who were successful. They don't even have segments of folks who were not.

I know a kid who walked onto a T10 soccer team. Decided spring after ED that they wanted to try, so they went all out training over the next three months and made it. They happened to quit the next year, but they made it.

And another kid who did somewhat similarly on a PAC-12 football team. Coach told him to be in touch in the fall and discuss walk on for following season. So kid did, but coincidentally, the starter in that position was just injured and out for the remainder of the season. Coach replied, "get the physical pronto" and rostered for the remainder of the season.

But those are exceptions (the coach wouldn't have said for another position where he was deep with 2-3 players), not rules, even for a D3.

Yeah, sh*t happens, but don't bank on it.

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Anonymous wrote:FWIW, don't go in with high expectations. DS approached the college coach after admissions and was basically stiff armed. They do tend to bring in all they need through the recruitment process, even if none of them are getting $$ or a thumb on the scale.

Boys may be different in terms of timing but my female rising college freshman was offered her spot (D3) late in her HS junior year and committed in July, then was accepted (high academic school) ED. It’s pretty late to be having a first conversation with the coach. Agree that Coach Renee is great and her steps worked for us but my kid started the process as a sophomore. And had lots and lots of video to share with the coach— do you have film?

How could it be late to having a discussion? Plenty of schools haven't even issued admission decisions yet. Why would an athlete be having discussions with a coach of a school he isn't in yet?

All your comments here indicate you are not familiar with college recruitment.

Seriously this.

Look, I happen to believe that there is a D3 spot for most decent athletes who want to play. If you go in with the right expectations. I def know kids who were not that great, but have spots in college at low level competitive D3 schools. But, hey, they are still playing in college.

But, while some schools recruit late (through end of senior year) most are earlier. These athletes have been talking with coaches, going to clinics, and sending film for a couple years. It's the rare situation where you can expect to swan in the fall of the first year of college (or summer before) and expect to get a spot.

Seen it happen and seen them okay minutes over recruited kids. How you like them apples?

I don't give a sh-- either way, honestly. Your sample size of 1 doesn't negate the typical path, which is as described.
Fact.

Chill, bro. You're making an ass of yourself.

The only ass is in your mirror, bro.

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Anonymous wrote:FWIW, don't go in with high expectations. DS approached the college coach after admissions and was basically stiff armed. They do tend to bring in all they need through the recruitment process, even if none of them are getting $$ or a thumb on the scale.

Boys may be different in terms of timing but my female rising college freshman was offered her spot (D3) late in her HS junior year and committed in July, then was accepted (high academic school) ED. It’s pretty late to be having a first conversation with the coach. Agree that Coach Renee is great and her steps worked for us but my kid started the process as a sophomore. And had lots and lots of video to share with the coach— do you have film?

How could it be late to having a discussion? Plenty of schools haven't even issued admission decisions yet. Why would an athlete be having discussions with a coach of a school he isn't in yet?

All your comments here indicate you are not familiar with college recruitment.

Seriously this.

Look, I happen to believe that there is a D3 spot for most decent athletes who want to play. If you go in with the right expectations. I def know kids who were not that great, but have spots in college at low level competitive D3 schools. But, hey, they are still playing in college.

But, while some schools recruit late (through end of senior year) most are earlier. These athletes have been talking with coaches, going to clinics, and sending film for a couple years. It's the rare situation where you can expect to swan in the fall of the first year of college (or summer before) and expect to get a spot.

I guess I'm special because I know two kids that did exactly that. One for Tennis at Denison and one for Swimming at Kenyon. I'll have to reach out and let their dads know what unicorns they are.

Come on. This does happen, but not as frequently as some folks believe. ESPN runs segments of folks who were successful. They don't even have segments of folks who were not.

I know a kid who walked onto a T10 soccer team. Decided spring after ED that they wanted to try, so they went all out training over the next three months and made it. They happened to quit the next year, but they made it.

And another kid who did somewhat similarly on a PAC-12 football team. Coach told him to be in touch in the fall and discuss walk on for following season. So kid did, but coincidentally, the starter in that position was just injured and out for the remainder of the season. Coach replied, "get the physical pronto" and rostered for the remainder of the season.

But those are exceptions (the coach wouldn't have said for another position where he was deep with 2-3 players), not rules, even for a D3.

Yeah, sh*t happens, but don't bank on it.

No one was 'banking' on it. They were simply refuting the absurd claim that it walking on to a DIII program doesn't happen. It does, all the time.

I graduated HS in '92, so going back a bit, but two of my NOVA HS friends walked on at big programs. JMU's football program and UMD's football program. The later was a kicker and the former was a stellar linebacker.

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Anonymous wrote:FWIW, don't go in with high expectations. DS approached the college coach after admissions and was basically stiff armed. They do tend to bring in all they need through the recruitment process, even if none of them are getting $$ or a thumb on the scale.

Boys may be different in terms of timing but my female rising college freshman was offered her spot (D3) late in her HS junior year and committed in July, then was accepted (high academic school) ED. It’s pretty late to be having a first conversation with the coach. Agree that Coach Renee is great and her steps worked for us but my kid started the process as a sophomore. And had lots and lots of video to share with the coach— do you have film?

How could it be late to having a discussion? Plenty of schools haven't even issued admission decisions yet. Why would an athlete be having discussions with a coach of a school he isn't in yet?

All your comments here indicate you are not familiar with college recruitment.

Seriously this.

Look, I happen to believe that there is a D3 spot for most decent athletes who want to play. If you go in with the right expectations. I def know kids who were not that great, but have spots in college at low level competitive D3 schools. But, hey, they are still playing in college.

But, while some schools recruit late (through end of senior year) most are earlier. These athletes have been talking with coaches, going to clinics, and sending film for a couple years. It's the rare situation where you can expect to swan in the fall of the first year of college (or summer before) and expect to get a spot.

Seen it happen and seen them okay minutes over recruited kids. How you like them apples?

I don't give a sh-- either way, honestly. Your sample size of 1 doesn't negate the typical path, which is as described.
Fact.

Chill, bro. You're making an ass of yourself.

The only ass is in your mirror, bro.

Keep digging. We'll enjoy watching it.