Agree with this. Also a lot of schools discussed here have a reputation as great because of grad schools. As an example Harvard undergrad is know for being easy with not a lot of work required of the students and rampant grade inflation. |
Very much this. Harvard and Yale are great schools of course. But they are much better at the graduate level. For STEM, there are quite a few pretty normal publics that are more highly regarded. Context matters. |
| Yale has a reputation of being the school "where science majors go to die." |
As a general matter, good luck getting any real professors teaching your DCs at the top schools. Maybe they see one in their final year before graduating. The rest are grad students and adjuncts. Those profs that do teach can't wait to get the hell out of the classroom.. |
1. Harvard Stanford MIT Yale Princeton (no particular order) 2. Columbia Penn Duke Northwestern Chicago Hopkins, Cornell (no particular order) Undergrad focused institutions: Williams, Brown, Dartmouth, Amherst, Swarthmore, Pomona |
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UCLA UF Clemson Wisconsin Michigan UMD Rutgers USC U of SC UNC |
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Kind of a dumb topic. Depends on the major. And vibe. And lots of other things. But generally?
Stanford MIT Princeton Harvard CalTech And then a lot of schools - Brown, Vanderbilt, Penn, Duke, Williams, Columbia, Rice, Dartmouth, Berkeley, Amherst, Michigan, Swarthmore, Yale, Cornell, Northwestern. |
I remember seeing on some website that Yale engineering degree grad earning very similar salary to MIT engineering grad |
| The ivies plus Duke, Stanford and JHU |
That’s 11. Remove JHU and the lower ivies (Brown, Cornell, Dartmouth) and add MIT, Caltech, Northwestern and you’re on the ball. |
Where are you getting this from? Take a quick look at the course catalogs say at MIT and Yale (just two random picks). Pretty much everyone in the Physics and Math departments (and others) are teaching undergrad courses. Perhaps not the 500 person freshman physics courses, which are much better done by instructors and grad students leading recitation sections. But undergrads certainly have the opportunity to take classes with top professors/researchers. The Nobel Prize guys mostly teach grad students but a bright junior/senior can definitely take those classes as well. |
A bright junior/senior? Aren’t they all supposed to be bright if they got into HYPS!? |
If your kid's at an ivy level, s/he is expect to know or teach the class himself or herself. Anyone at that level needing a handholding by "any real professors" doesn't belong there. |
This is correct. Students at this level also challenge themselves and tend to set standards well above the norm. Profs at this level become facilitators and, if needed, a resource. |
William & Mary: every course is taught by a Professor. Princeton is also very undergrad focused. |