Recent Experiences at Loiderman?

[Anonymous]

If you choose Loiederman and don’t like it you can easily transfer back to your home school.

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Anonymous wrote:I just came on here to ask the same thing, except that our home MS is Banneker. My kid is so excited, me a little less so after what I read here. WWYD?

I have a 7th grader at Loiederman and our home MS is also Banneker. I was kind of hesitant too, but I’m glad I went ahead and let my child attend Loiderman. If your child is into art, then Loiderman will probably be a better fit.

[Anonymous]

The SSIMS info session last night. They indicated that kids in 5/6 Math will go into AMP 7+, while the Loiederman presentation said those kids would go into AMP 6+. Does Loiederman not offer AMP 7+? This would make a big difference, as I don't want my child to have to repeat math he's already done in 5/6.

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Anonymous wrote:The SSIMS info session last night. They indicated that kids in 5/6 Math will go into AMP 7+, while the Loiederman presentation said those kids would go into AMP 6+. Does Loiederman not offer AMP 7+? This would make a big difference, as I don't want my child to have to repeat math he's already done in 5/6.

I would contact Loiederman to confirm. The course catalog does not mention AMP7+ https://docs.google.com/document/d/1semJtC5Q2KwXJtW3YkuXzHbwneiSvfTF7gMWef7QJ_Y/edit#heading=h.2zbgiuw-
Here is their counseling office number [phone]. They should be able to give you the email or number for the 6th grade counselor. Info provided at the beginning of the school year said it is James Rissee [e-mail].

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Anonymous wrote:The SSIMS info session last night. They indicated that kids in 5/6 Math will go into AMP 7+, while the Loiederman presentation said those kids would go into AMP 6+. Does Loiederman not offer AMP 7+? This would make a big difference, as I don't want my child to have to repeat math he's already done in 5/6.

I would contact Loiederman to confirm. The course catalog does not mention AMP7+ https://docs.google.com/document/d/1semJtC5Q2KwXJtW3YkuXzHbwneiSvfTF7gMWef7QJ_Y/edit#heading=h.2zbgiuw-
Here is their counseling office number [phone]. They should be able to give you the email or number for the 6th grade counselor. Info provided at the beginning of the school year said it is James Rissee [e-mail].

Correction counseling office number [phone]. As a side note they sent an email this morning saying their phone lines are down. So email might be good but I would try both. Good luck

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Anonymous wrote:The SSIMS info session last night. They indicated that kids in 5/6 Math will go into AMP 7+, while the Loiederman presentation said those kids would go into AMP 6+. Does Loiederman not offer AMP 7+? This would make a big difference, as I don't want my child to have to repeat math he's already done in 5/6.

I would contact Loiederman to confirm. The course catalog does not mention AMP7+ https://docs.google.com/document/d/1semJtC5Q2KwXJtW3YkuXzHbwneiSvfTF7gMWef7QJ_Y/edit#heading=h.2zbgiuw-
Here is their counseling office number [phone]. They should be able to give you the email or number for the 6th grade counselor. Info provided at the beginning of the school year said it is James Rissee [e-mail].

Correction counseling office number [phone]. As a side note they sent an email this morning saying their phone lines are down. So email might be good but I would try both. Good luck

Lots of typos today sorry [phone]

[Anonymous]

FWIW I contacted Loiderman and they do offer AMP 7+; it's the standard next step for sixth graders who were in compacted 5/6 math in 5th grade. I don't know why it isn't listed in the 6th grade course catalog.

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Anonymous wrote:FWIW I contacted Loiderman and they do offer AMP 7+; it's the standard next step for sixth graders who were in compacted 5/6 math in 5th grade. I don't know why it isn't listed in the 6th grade course catalog.

It wasn't listed last year, either. My DC is now in AMP 7+ at Loiederman with a fantastic teacher. (We're big Loiederman fans in general.)

I seem to remember (could be wrong) that when I was attending the open house night at SSIMS last year, as well, the highest possible math placements were not fully mapped out as options in the slides. And HIGH was not universally publicized among the middle schools either. There may be a kind of low-level PR effort to try to fend off problems/challenges/protests if a student does not get a seat in a certain course. At any rate the information wasn't difficult to track down. Counseling and other staff at Loiederman have been extremely responsive.

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I don’t have any experience with Loiderman but came on to say the new principal at SSIMS is fantastic. He is a strong leader and is making some positive changes. I don’t know if that was a factor for you but I know in recent years a lot of parents were choosing other schools over SSIMS because of reported issues there.

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Anonymous wrote:Multiple kids left last year. Lots of staff turn over. Band/Orchestra teachers are not great.

Another new orch teacher this year. Great teachers at the elem feeders but not sure what’s going on in MS

I suspect it's the leadership. They got a new principal who everyone had high hopes for as she had been there for many years and very likable. But, several VPs and multiple staff left. Another orchestra teacher... thats a bad sign that the last one lasted a year.

Part of the music problem is the teachers. The other part is what another poster said about it not being test in so anyone can do the band or orchestra. They don't really do teaching with multiple instruments all in one class period in MS or HS so either a child has to be naturally talented and teach themselves or be in private lessons and/with private orchestra or other groups to really get good. The bands/orchestras that are good have kids from private lessons and the orchestras vs. a school being that good just because. We are another family who moved to the private music groups and the difference in quality is night and day.

Playing an instrument is a serious endeavor. It's not possible, at all, to be "good" at it if you do not have individual lessons. It's not like a sport or dance where you can mostly learn as a group and only need private coaching occasionally. Most music groups in schools absolutely suck because hardly any kid has private lessons. The wealthy neighborhoods have music groups that suck less because parents can afford to pay for private (individual) lessons.

My middle schooler plays the violin. Weekly private lessons at a school of music for a few years then $100/hr twice a week at a studio. She's been concertmaster of her youth orchestra. She's played every day, except a few days off for sickness and travel, for years. You can't replicate that in any school setting apart from a music conservatory.

So this idea of public magnets for certain skill sets definitely has its limits, especially when there is no talent selection and no requirement to train with professionals outside of school.

Oh my…us poor parents who have kids attending what you consider bad have our kids in private lessons and the same private orchestra as you do. You could replicate it with the right teacher and students. For sports and dance, many kids also do outside or have private lessons too. Don’t let your ego get in the way. Your child is in middle school. For as good as she is there is always someone better.

The former orchestra teacher is part of mcyo. She left for another school.

You're in the minority if you pay for private lessons, pay for MCYO and also self-identify as poor. Also, group music lessons are not the same as individual music lessons, and cannot take their place, ever - the skills learned are not the same. You need both. You desperately want to take offense at my post, so go ahead, but I've have a lot of experience (this middle schooler is my youngest and my other kids are in college), and I know what I'm talking about.

NP. You sound really arrogant. You are clearly impressed by your own importance. The rest of us, not as much.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t have any experience with Loiderman but came on to say the new principal at SSIMS is fantastic. He is a strong leader and is making some positive changes. I don’t know if that was a factor for you but I know in recent years a lot of parents were choosing other schools over SSIMS because of reported issues there.

I've also heard good thongs about ssims.

I'm in theatre with kids in theatre who did not apply to Loiderman. Did not think the traffic was worth it, especially being pure lottery. PP who brought up imbalance of interest and role availability also made a good point.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t have any experience with Loiderman but came on to say the new principal at SSIMS is fantastic. He is a strong leader and is making some positive changes. I don’t know if that was a factor for you but I know in recent years a lot of parents were choosing other schools over SSIMS because of reported issues there.

I've also heard good thongs about ssims.

I'm in theatre with kids in theatre who did not apply to Loiderman. Did not think the traffic was worth it, especially being pure lottery. PP who brought up imbalance of interest and role availability also made a good point.

Woops! Things, not thongs!