TJ & group projects

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Rsndomly stopping by to say "This is Life".

Conscientious people do get taken advantage of.

I was an MBA student at a Top 20 business school. Had a group paper due in a couple of hours. Classmate shows up as we are assembling the paper to announce she didn't have time to write her two pages and needed to leave for an international flight so it wasn't going to get done. As I furiously scrambled to write her portion and stitch the other pieces together, another teammate told me to "relax my expectations".
I was totally shocked. Another time on a group project a married new mom told me the night before that she couldn't do her part because her baby had a common cold. Grad students! With weeks of advance notice to get the work done!

Some people luck out and find great workplaces. Some are surrounded by clever advantage-takers. That's how it goes. I suppose it's realistic to deal with it now. Learning to read people and assess trustworthiness and how to motivate others is useful.

+10

My son is currently a sophomore in a good undergraduate business program. The night before a big group project was due towards the end of the semester, one of the group members let everyone know he wasn't doing his assigned part and he was withdrawing from the class. They just had to make do and come up with something.

[Anonymous]

Life is unfair. Any decent contributor to society will end up doing a ton of things for which they will get insufficient credit and others will get undeserved credit. That’s life. Better to get used to it now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's important to approach situations where a group member isn't contributing their fair share with understanding and compassion. There could be various reasons why a student might struggle to fulfill their part in a group project. For instance, they could be dealing with personal challenges such as family issues, mental health struggles, or overwhelming academic pressure from other courses. These factors can significantly impact a student's ability to engage fully with group work, even if they have the best intentions.

While it's frustrating when someone doesn't contribute equally, it's also an opportunity for the other group members to demonstrate empathy and teamwork. In real-world scenarios, teams often encounter situations where the workload becomes uneven due to unforeseen circumstances. In such cases, it's not just about completing the task at hand, but also about supporting each other through difficulties. This moral responsibility to help out and ensure the group's success, even if it means temporarily taking on a bit more work, is a valuable aspect of teamwork and leadership.

This is far too kind for the AAP forum.

The TJ stress is on every student. When one slacks off, the entire team suffers and the grades plummet.

TJ stress is more on kids who need help. TJ curriculum is unnecessarily made hard for regular courses that are not AP or advanced. Kids should not be needing to stress out to get an A in regular courses. We were assured that if student is all A in middle school, they would have no problem getting through TJ courses.

[Anonymous]

I've never had a group project for a serious grade. I wouldn't consider a class legitimate if it has one.

In the real world, if a teammate isn't pulling their weight, my boss doesn't expect me to do their job for them. They get fired and someone competent replaced them, or the project doesn't get done. I get paid do my job, not two or four.

Where do you people work?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's important to approach situations where a group member isn't contributing their fair share with understanding and compassion. There could be various reasons why a student might struggle to fulfill their part in a group project. For instance, they could be dealing with personal challenges such as family issues, mental health struggles, or overwhelming academic pressure from other courses. These factors can significantly impact a student's ability to engage fully with group work, even if they have the best intentions.

While it's frustrating when someone doesn't contribute equally, it's also an opportunity for the other group members to demonstrate empathy and teamwork. In real-world scenarios, teams often encounter situations where the workload becomes uneven due to unforeseen circumstances. In such cases, it's not just about completing the task at hand, but also about supporting each other through difficulties. This moral responsibility to help out and ensure the group's success, even if it means temporarily taking on a bit more work, is a valuable aspect of teamwork and leadership.

This is far too kind for the AAP forum.

The TJ stress is on every student. When one slacks off, the entire team suffers and the grades plummet.

TJ stress is more on kids who need help. TJ curriculum is unnecessarily made hard for regular courses that are not AP or advanced. Kids should not be needing to stress out to get an A in regular courses. We were assured that if student is all A in middle school, they would have no problem getting through TJ courses.

It's OK to get a B. You don't have to be perfect at everything.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My DC (new admissions system) consistently has to do their partners work. Project/presentations supposed to be 50/50 but DC’s partner had not done their share as of midnight the day before presentation. My DC had to get up early and basically finish the prep. Partner kept making excuses all along that they’d get it done. Day of presentation said sorry had two big tests to study for. Still didn’t do their part. It’s extremely frustrating. Has encountered this every year across variety of classes.

It sounds like your DC is facing a common but challenging aspect of group work: relying on peers who may not always meet their commitments. This situation is frustrating and can add undue stress, especially when it occurs repeatedly. Here are a few steps DC can take to manage such situations more effectively:

1. **Early Communication:** At the start of the project, encourage DC to have a frank conversation with their partner about expectations and deadlines. This sets a clear understanding from the beginning.

2. **Documented Planning:** Encourage them to create a shared document outlining each person's tasks and deadlines. This not only organizes the work but also serves as a record of who is responsible for what.

3. **Regular Check-Ins:** Suggest that they schedule regular meetings or check-ins to monitor progress. This can help in identifying issues early on.

4. **Speak to the Teacher:** If the partner consistently fails to contribute, it's appropriate for DC to speak to the teacher. They should explain the situation factually and respectfully, focusing on the impact of the partner's inaction on the project.

5. **Contingency Plan:** It's wise for DC to have a backup plan in case the partner doesn't fulfill their responsibilities. This might mean being prepared to take on extra work if needed, though it's not ideal.

6. **Reflection and Feedback:** After the project, DC could reflect on what went well and what didn't, and provide constructive feedback to their partner and teacher. This can be a learning experience for everyone involved.

It's important to remember that while group projects aim to teach collaboration and teamwork, they also sometimes provide lessons in handling challenging dynamics and developing resilience. Encouraging your DC to approach these situations proactively can turn them into valuable learning experiences.

lol, thanks, ChatGPT.

Have you got it automated or do you copy-paste from the other window?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's important to approach situations where a group member isn't contributing their fair share with understanding and compassion. There could be various reasons why a student might struggle to fulfill their part in a group project. For instance, they could be dealing with personal challenges such as family issues, mental health struggles, or overwhelming academic pressure from other courses. These factors can significantly impact a student's ability to engage fully with group work, even if they have the best intentions.

While it's frustrating when someone doesn't contribute equally, it's also an opportunity for the other group members to demonstrate empathy and teamwork. In real-world scenarios, teams often encounter situations where the workload becomes uneven due to unforeseen circumstances. In such cases, it's not just about completing the task at hand, but also about supporting each other through difficulties. This moral responsibility to help out and ensure the group's success, even if it means temporarily taking on a bit more work, is a valuable aspect of teamwork and leadership.

This is far too kind for the AAP forum.

The TJ stress is on every student. When one slacks off, the entire team suffers and the grades plummet.

TJ stress is more on kids who need help. TJ curriculum is unnecessarily made hard for regular courses that are not AP or advanced. Kids should not be needing to stress out to get an A in regular courses. We were assured that if student is all A in middle school, they would have no problem getting through TJ courses.

It's OK to get a B. You don't have to be perfect at everything.

B would have been great. How can it be OK to get a C studying past midnight giving up on sleep, when most of DC's friends easily get an A while doing extracurriculars?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:It's important to approach situations where a group member isn't contributing their fair share with understanding and compassion. There could be various reasons why a student might struggle to fulfill their part in a group project. For instance, they could be dealing with personal challenges such as family issues, mental health struggles, or overwhelming academic pressure from other courses. These factors can significantly impact a student's ability to engage fully with group work, even if they have the best intentions.

While it's frustrating when someone doesn't contribute equally, it's also an opportunity for the other group members to demonstrate empathy and teamwork. In real-world scenarios, teams often encounter situations where the workload becomes uneven due to unforeseen circumstances. In such cases, it's not just about completing the task at hand, but also about supporting each other through difficulties. This moral responsibility to help out and ensure the group's success, even if it means temporarily taking on a bit more work, is a valuable aspect of teamwork and leadership.

This is far too kind for the AAP forum.

The TJ stress is on every student. When one slacks off, the entire team suffers and the grades plummet.

TJ stress is more on kids who need help. TJ curriculum is unnecessarily made hard for regular courses that are not AP or advanced. Kids should not be needing to stress out to get an A in regular courses. We were assured that if student is all A in middle school, they would have no problem getting through TJ courses.

It's OK to get a B. You don't have to be perfect at everything.

B would have been great. How can it be OK to get a C studying past midnight giving up on sleep, when most of DC's friends easily get an A while doing extracurriculars?

It gets hard to convince not to worry about it when peers have a much better grade. Is it ok to ask the teacher or counselor if DC is alone or how many others have received a C?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Rsndomly stopping by to say "This is Life".

Conscientious people do get taken advantage of.

I was an MBA student at a Top 20 business school. Had a group paper due in a couple of hours. Classmate shows up as we are assembling the paper to announce she didn't have time to write her two pages and needed to leave for an international flight so it wasn't going to get done. As I furiously scrambled to write her portion and stitch the other pieces together, another teammate told me to "relax my expectations".
I was totally shocked. Another time on a group project a married new mom told me the night before that she couldn't do her part because her baby had a common cold. Grad students! With weeks of advance notice to get the work done!

Some people luck out and find great workplaces. Some are surrounded by clever advantage-takers. That's how it goes. I suppose it's realistic to deal with it now. Learning to read people and assess trustworthiness and how to motivate others is useful.

+10

My son is currently a sophomore in a good undergraduate business program. The night before a big group project was due towards the end of the semester, one of the group members let everyone know he wasn't doing his assigned part and he was withdrawing from the class. They just had to make do and come up with something.

You can withdraw classes at the end of the semester?!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's important to approach situations where a group member isn't contributing their fair share with understanding and compassion. There could be various reasons why a student might struggle to fulfill their part in a group project. For instance, they could be dealing with personal challenges such as family issues, mental health struggles, or overwhelming academic pressure from other courses. These factors can significantly impact a student's ability to engage fully with group work, even if they have the best intentions.

While it's frustrating when someone doesn't contribute equally, it's also an opportunity for the other group members to demonstrate empathy and teamwork. In real-world scenarios, teams often encounter situations where the workload becomes uneven due to unforeseen circumstances. In such cases, it's not just about completing the task at hand, but also about supporting each other through difficulties. This moral responsibility to help out and ensure the group's success, even if it means temporarily taking on a bit more work, is a valuable aspect of teamwork and leadership.

This is far too kind for the AAP forum.

The TJ stress is on every student. When one slacks off, the entire team suffers and the grades plummet.

TJ stress is more on kids who need help. TJ curriculum is unnecessarily made hard for regular courses that are not AP or advanced. Kids should not be needing to stress out to get an A in regular courses. We were assured that if student is all A in middle school, they would have no problem getting through TJ courses.

It's OK to get a B. You don't have to be perfect at everything.

B would have been great. How can it be OK to get a C studying past midnight giving up on sleep, when most of DC's friends easily get an A while doing extracurriculars?

Unless your DC is too far advanced in math so that there is space to drop back, maybe TJ just isn’t the best fit for them. It’s not for everyone. Not saying this to be mean. It’s awesome for my kid1 but I think would be a bad fit for my kid2.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's important to approach situations where a group member isn't contributing their fair share with understanding and compassion. There could be various reasons why a student might struggle to fulfill their part in a group project. For instance, they could be dealing with personal challenges such as family issues, mental health struggles, or overwhelming academic pressure from other courses. These factors can significantly impact a student's ability to engage fully with group work, even if they have the best intentions.

While it's frustrating when someone doesn't contribute equally, it's also an opportunity for the other group members to demonstrate empathy and teamwork. In real-world scenarios, teams often encounter situations where the workload becomes uneven due to unforeseen circumstances. In such cases, it's not just about completing the task at hand, but also about supporting each other through difficulties. This moral responsibility to help out and ensure the group's success, even if it means temporarily taking on a bit more work, is a valuable aspect of teamwork and leadership.

This is far too kind for the AAP forum.

The TJ stress is on every student. When one slacks off, the entire team suffers and the grades plummet.

TJ stress is more on kids who need help. TJ curriculum is unnecessarily made hard for regular courses that are not AP or advanced. Kids should not be needing to stress out to get an A in regular courses. We were assured that if student is all A in middle school, they would have no problem getting through TJ courses.

It's OK to get a B. You don't have to be perfect at everything.

B would have been great. How can it be OK to get a C studying past midnight giving up on sleep, when most of DC's friends easily get an A while doing extracurriculars?

Unless your DC is too far advanced in math so that there is space to drop back, maybe TJ just isn’t the best fit for them. It’s not for everyone. Not saying this to be mean. It’s awesome for my kid1 but I think would be a bad fit for my kid2.

Struggling with first year courses, what would they drop back to?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:It's important to approach situations where a group member isn't contributing their fair share with understanding and compassion. There could be various reasons why a student might struggle to fulfill their part in a group project. For instance, they could be dealing with personal challenges such as family issues, mental health struggles, or overwhelming academic pressure from other courses. These factors can significantly impact a student's ability to engage fully with group work, even if they have the best intentions.

While it's frustrating when someone doesn't contribute equally, it's also an opportunity for the other group members to demonstrate empathy and teamwork. In real-world scenarios, teams often encounter situations where the workload becomes uneven due to unforeseen circumstances. In such cases, it's not just about completing the task at hand, but also about supporting each other through difficulties. This moral responsibility to help out and ensure the group's success, even if it means temporarily taking on a bit more work, is a valuable aspect of teamwork and leadership.

This is far too kind for the AAP forum.

The TJ stress is on every student. When one slacks off, the entire team suffers and the grades plummet.

TJ stress is more on kids who need help. TJ curriculum is unnecessarily made hard for regular courses that are not AP or advanced. Kids should not be needing to stress out to get an A in regular courses. We were assured that if student is all A in middle school, they would have no problem getting through TJ courses.

It's OK to get a B. You don't have to be perfect at everything.

B would have been great. How can it be OK to get a C studying past midnight giving up on sleep, when most of DC's friends easily get an A while doing extracurriculars?

Unless your DC is too far advanced in math so that there is space to drop back, maybe TJ just isn’t the best fit for them. It’s not for everyone. Not saying this to be mean. It’s awesome for my kid1 but I think would be a bad fit for my kid2.

Struggling with first year courses, what would they drop back to?

Ah. I misunderstood. I would just transfer your child back to base school. It’s not going to get easier. Again not aiming to be mean here but that’s what I would do if it were my kid.

[Anonymous]

In most workplaces, roughly 20-25% of the people do more than 50% of the work that gets done.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's important to approach situations where a group member isn't contributing their fair share with understanding and compassion. There could be various reasons why a student might struggle to fulfill their part in a group project. For instance, they could be dealing with personal challenges such as family issues, mental health struggles, or overwhelming academic pressure from other courses. These factors can significantly impact a student's ability to engage fully with group work, even if they have the best intentions.

While it's frustrating when someone doesn't contribute equally, it's also an opportunity for the other group members to demonstrate empathy and teamwork. In real-world scenarios, teams often encounter situations where the workload becomes uneven due to unforeseen circumstances. In such cases, it's not just about completing the task at hand, but also about supporting each other through difficulties. This moral responsibility to help out and ensure the group's success, even if it means temporarily taking on a bit more work, is a valuable aspect of teamwork and leadership.

This is far too kind for the AAP forum.

The TJ stress is on every student. When one slacks off, the entire team suffers and the grades plummet.

TJ stress is more on kids who need help. TJ curriculum is unnecessarily made hard for regular courses that are not AP or advanced. Kids should not be needing to stress out to get an A in regular courses. We were assured that if student is all A in middle school, they would have no problem getting through TJ courses.

It's OK to get a B. You don't have to be perfect at everything.

B would have been great. How can it be OK to get a C studying past midnight giving up on sleep, when most of DC's friends easily get an A while doing extracurriculars?

Not trying to be mean, but maybe your kid is in the wrong program or wrong class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DC is a sophomore at TJ and seems to have a ton of partner / group projects this year. Is this typical for sophomore year or a change? It’s a big source of anxiety since a lot of the partners don’t do much work but it’s a group grade.

This is for your sophomore to work through. Life is about working with people. In jobs you have to work with other people on projects.