Most selective R1 universities by acceptance rate

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Probably because there is a thread already on acceptance rates of LAC's. Not even sure if there are any selective R1 universities.

"Why R1 and not R2 and LACS? Seems silly."

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Anonymous wrote:Probably because there is a thread already on acceptance rates of LAC's. Not even sure if there are any selective R1 universities.

"Why R1 and not R2 and LACS? Seems silly."

*R2

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More than 2 million freshmen enroll in college every year. The schools above account for fewer than 50,000 of them. That's less than 2.5% of all college freshmen. Why do these schools dominate the conversation??

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Anonymous wrote:More than 2 million freshmen enroll in college every year. The schools above account for fewer than 50,000 of them. That's less than 2.5% of all college freshmen. Why do these schools dominate the conversation??

Because only the most selective schools encourage conversation and analysis.

And yes, of course you can get just as good education and career out of most state colleges. But there's no reason to discuss how to get accepted to Arizona State (as example). If you are one of the lucky ones whose kid chooses that kind of route you're golden. If not...

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Anonymous wrote:UPenn and those schools used to have 70% acceptance rates. UPenn and ivies invented ED and all sorts of tactics aka voodoo magic

In the 1950s. None of this is remotely new.

Yup, that's the point.

UPenn in the 50s, UCLA in the 70s, NEU in the 90s, however it's 2023 in the 21st century.

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There was no outcry then. People are only whining about it now because it affects them.

[Anonymous]

In part it is also ego. BC and Tufts were in the second tier behind MIT and Harvard. BU and NEU were not seen as being on BC's and Tuft's level. Then the 1990's happened. Now, if you are a STEM major you might go for Tufts for bio or NEU for engineering, BU for communication, BC for finance, and everyone would understand. They are peer schools.

Closer to home, Georgetown, UVA and JHU have that designation locked down. George Washington, American, haven't been able to close that academic reputational gap. Maybe because GWU is focused on non-stem and AU is more like a large LAC.

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Anonymous wrote:The Northeastern number is really sus

It has no business being in the same range as Princeton, Penn, Vanderbilt, Rice, Northwestern.

I don't know what voodoo magic that school is doing. It was a commuter school for cops from Revere twenty years ago.

Emphasis on was. It's a top research school now and has a great CS program (and other great programs as well). Why you bring up what was every time NEU is mentioned is beyond me. 96,000+ applications last year, and probably more this year, make it a hot school no matter that you seem to bash them every time their name comes up

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It's a good school, in a hot college town (Boston is a great college town), with no supplemental essays (so it's an easy application---just pay your fee and hit submit in the Common App) and NEU has marketed well to get those application numbers up. Key is they are in Boston and no supplementals.

Another similarly ranked good school, Case Western, has no supplements, but it's not as popular. There's a school called Wentworth Institute of Tech with no supplements literally right next to NEU, but it's not popular at all. Thus, it tells us that it's not Boston and/or no supplements. It's a combination of many things.

I personally think the key is outcomes. NEU's outcomes rival those of many elite schools mentioned above, such as Rice, Vanderbilt, UChicago, Brown, Northwestern, etc.

Also, the purpose of supplements is to pick the right student for the school. NEU is doing one of the best jobs based on the retention rate, which is in the top 5. Its graduation rate is also in the top 25-30 among national universities. I think more schools should follow NEU's example and reduce the burden on students. Schools should have plenty of information already.

Verified source data?

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Anonymous wrote:In part it is also ego. BC and Tufts were in the second tier behind MIT and Harvard. BU and NEU were not seen as being on BC's and Tuft's level. Then the 1990's happened. Now, if you are a STEM major you might go for Tufts for bio or NEU for engineering, BU for communication, BC for finance, and everyone would understand. They are peer schools.

Closer to home, Georgetown, UVA and JHU have that designation locked down. George Washington, American, haven't been able to close that academic reputational gap. Maybe because GWU is focused on non-stem and AU is more like a large LAC.

Wut

JHU?

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Anonymous wrote:The Northeastern number is really sus

It has no business being in the same range as Princeton, Penn, Vanderbilt, Rice, Northwestern.

I don't know what voodoo magic that school is doing. It was a commuter school for cops from Revere twenty years ago.

Emphasis on was. It's a top research school now and has a great CS program (and other great programs as well). Why you bring up what was every time NEU is mentioned is beyond me. 96,000+ applications last year, and probably more this year, make it a hot school no matter that you seem to bash them every time their name comes up

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DP:

It's a good school, in a hot college town (Boston is a great college town), with no supplemental essays (so it's an easy application---just pay your fee and hit submit in the Common App) and NEU has marketed well to get those application numbers up. Key is they are in Boston and no supplementals.

Another similarly ranked good school, Case Western, has no supplements, but it's not as popular. There's a school called Wentworth Institute of Tech with no supplements literally right next to NEU, but it's not popular at all. Thus, it tells us that it's not Boston and/or no supplements. It's a combination of many things.

I personally think the key is outcomes. NEU's outcomes rival those of many elite schools mentioned above, such as Rice, Vanderbilt, UChicago, Brown, Northwestern, etc.

Also, the purpose of supplements is to pick the right student for the school. NEU is doing one of the best jobs based on the retention rate, which is in the top 5. Its graduation rate is also in the top 25-30 among national universities. I think more schools should follow NEU's example and reduce the burden on students. Schools should have plenty of information already.

Verified source data?

I was surprised also and looked it up. But NEU's retention is top 5 in the country. That is one of the most impressive statistics a school can have. I think those schools listed above in particular might in general have better outcomes, but NEU does surprisingly well in post-grad MBA placements, med school admissions, and law school admissions. According to Poetsandquants, its undergrad business graduates have top 15 outcomes when measured by placement opportunities and salaries. Its general salary/payscale figures are higher than a lot of those schools, but that can be attributable to NEU's focus on engineering/comp sci. It makes sense its graduates will earn more than a Brown graduate in a humanities subject. Also, the co-op program really gives its students a leg up.

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Why don't more public schools do ED if it's such a boon to prestige, yield, what have you?

UVA does, but UMD doesn't. VT stopped? UNC, UGA, Florida, Rutgers, Penn State, Pitt, UMass, UConn all don't do early decision.

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Anonymous wrote:UChicago, Johns Hopkins, Northeastern, Vanderbilt, Tufts, Carnegie Mellon and Emory appear to be the most manipulative when it comes to admissions gamesmanship. Never underestimate how offering EDI and EDII really does depress acceptance rates. A good percentage of the freshman class is already selected by the time regular decision rolls around.

1)California Institute of Technology 4% REA
2)Harvard University 4% REA
3)Columbia University 4% ED
4)Massachusetts Institute of Technology 4% EA
5)Stanford University 4% EA
6)Brown University 5% ED
7)University of Chicago 5% EA, EDI, EDII
8)Yale University 5% REA
9)Dartmouth College 6% ED
10)Duke University 6% ED
11)Princeton University REA
12)Cornell University 7% ED
13)Johns Hopkins University 7% EDI, EDII
14)Northeastern University 7% EA, EDI, EDII
15)Northwestern University 7% ED
16)University of Pennsylvania 7% ED
17)Vanderbilt University 7% EDI, EDII
18)Rice University Houston, TX 9% ED
19)University of California, Los Angeles 9%
20)Tufts University 10% EDI, EDII
21)Carnegie Mellon University 11% EDI, EDII
22)Emory University 11% EDI, EDII

JHU, N'eastern, Vanderbilt, CMU, & Emory should not be included in this list since they all accept students during two ED rounds in addition to RD. Artificially lowers admit rate. (A tactic also used by many LACs to apear to be more selective.)

So 1 round of ED is okay but 2 isn't?

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Anonymous wrote:Agree it should be. It’s equal to a Hopkins at a minimum from and undergrad perspective but way better career placement. Their EA acceptance rate was under 10 percent with their A&S being under 5 percent. Their outplacement to top jobs is strong along with law and medical school placement. IMO the cache schools have on campus recruiting from the top 3 management consulting (McKinsey, Bain, BCG) and financial industry (Goldman, JP Morgan) are strong indicators of a strong school with name brand appeal. Some will say it’s a ridiculous measure but if those companies aren’t conducting on campus recruiting with dedicated recruitment teams, it’s not a name brand school. https://careercenter.georgetown.edu/about-us/senior-survey-outcomes/

Example Hopkins McKinsey recruiting vs Georgetown for undergrad. Their recruitment team differences make it clear what undergrad institute they prefer.

https://www.mckinsey.com/Careers/Students/Undergraduate-Degree-Candidates/Johns-Hopkins-University

https://www.mckinsey.com/Careers/Students/Undergraduate-Degree-Candidates/Georgetown-University

Georgetown is a much better school for business than Johns Hopkins. Med school placement for JHU is likely much better.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting that Georgetown, which doesn't have ED or ED2 and is not test optional and is not on the common app, is not on this list.

The question becomes, are schools more apt to continue down the road of ED1 and ED2, or the route that Georgetown takes? In a sense, Georgetown is able to stand out because it stands alone. But for every G'town, you have a Johns Hopkins, Chicago, NEU, Emory, etc. When we toured Emory, the admission's officer giving the presentation was really coy about its admission statistics for its Oxford campus. A lot of kids got rejected from Emory Atlanta but offered Oxford. That boosts Emory's selectivity rates. I really don't have a problem with a school that markets. My child received mailers from Chicago even though she did nothing to indicate that she was going to apply there. I don't think the mailers was some kind of con game.

How else would Oxford get students to enroll? The students accepted to both Emory and Oxford would always choose Emory or another school entirely.

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Anonymous wrote:The Northeastern number is really sus

It has no business being in the same range as Princeton, Penn, Vanderbilt, Rice, Northwestern.

I don't know what voodoo magic that school is doing. It was a commuter school for cops from Revere twenty years ago.

Emphasis on was. It's a top research school now and has a great CS program (and other great programs as well). Why you bring up what was every time NEU is mentioned is beyond me. 96,000+ applications last year, and probably more this year, make it a hot school no matter that you seem to bash them every time their name comes up

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DP:

It's a good school, in a hot college town (Boston is a great college town), with no supplemental essays (so it's an easy application---just pay your fee and hit submit in the Common App) and NEU has marketed well to get those application numbers up. Key is they are in Boston and no supplementals.

Another similarly ranked good school, Case Western, has no supplements, but it's not as popular. There's a school called Wentworth Institute of Tech with no supplements literally right next to NEU, but it's not popular at all. Thus, it tells us that it's not Boston and/or no supplements. It's a combination of many things.

I personally think the key is outcomes. NEU's outcomes rival those of many elite schools mentioned above, such as Rice, Vanderbilt, UChicago, Brown, Northwestern, etc.

Also, the purpose of supplements is to pick the right student for the school. NEU is doing one of the best jobs based on the retention rate, which is in the top 5. Its graduation rate is also in the top 25-30 among national universities. I think more schools should follow NEU's example and reduce the burden on students. Schools should have plenty of information already.

What outcomes are you talking about? Can't be investment banking or management consulting, or law school/med school ...so what?