Virtual Academy students lagging behind in person

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Anonymous wrote:Of course they they, remote learning is as fake as remote work. It completely overlooks the intangibles and peer influence for some hourly metric based nonsense. Yes some focused and driven people with specific tasks can be done with minimal drop off but most people are below avg and lazy while they are the ones who need direct support the most and will drag the avgs down the furthest.

That's assuming peer influence is a positive experience. Many students are excelling in the virtual environment because they are not dealing with bullying, peer pressure or the nonsense that takes place in every school hallway and classroom. They want to learn and can focus on learning in that environment. Is virtual learning great for all students? No it is not but for some it is a huge benefit.

They also don't have to worry about bomb threats, fire drills, fights, and other things that happen in person. They also have full access to things like bathrooms.

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Anonymous wrote:Here it is again...parents in this county are so behind the times. Most districts across the country have offered virtual options since the early aughts. The fact MCPS only did in 2020 because of the pandemic is embarrassing. It's time to join the rest of the country in the 21st century without complaining because remote instruction didn't work for your kid during the pandemic. It's so absurd.

Just curious- how many of the virtual programs "across the country" are actually offered at the district level? Particularly in pre-pandemic times. Quite often the virtual programs are administered at the state level, which makes sense to me. So this is partly on the state of MD.

DP-I would first say, do your own research before asking others to do it for you. But all of my teaching friends from my program are in various states and it is offered at the district level. So, no. It's not on the state of Maryland at all. It could be implemented district wide as its done in MANY other places. MoCo has a unique set of parents that simply refuse to hear any other alternatives other than "in-person". It is sad because instead of using the money and time to refine a district wide program, people just want to shut it down because of the pandemic. All of the parents who continue to post this article on social media are the same exact parents who were at every single board meeting complaining about virtual. Doesn't take a genius to figure out their agenda. It is quite sad and pathetic.

Lady, well before the pandemic there was research showing that virtual doesn’t even work for college students. Anyone with a single brain cell knows it’s a disaster for children, and yes, we know this because of the pandemic There is an extremely narrow case for it as a stop-gap for sick kids and SN kids who truly cannot be accomodated at their current placement, but it is not a long-term solution.

My kids did great in virtual. I think the problem is mostly with parents who left young children unsupervised and expected better results. The problem isn't virtual but lazy parents.

How dare those parents work to feed their families! Who needs housing anyway?

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I think they already announced there would be no VA option for ES. It seems much more appropriate for secondary school students.

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Anonymous wrote:Here it is again...parents in this county are so behind the times. Most districts across the country have offered virtual options since the early aughts. The fact MCPS only did in 2020 because of the pandemic is embarrassing. It's time to join the rest of the country in the 21st century without complaining because remote instruction didn't work for your kid during the pandemic. It's so absurd.

Just curious- how many of the virtual programs "across the country" are actually offered at the district level? Particularly in pre-pandemic times. Quite often the virtual programs are administered at the state level, which makes sense to me. So this is partly on the state of MD.

DP-I would first say, do your own research before asking others to do it for you. But all of my teaching friends from my program are in various states and it is offered at the district level. So, no. It's not on the state of Maryland at all. It could be implemented district wide as its done in MANY other places. MoCo has a unique set of parents that simply refuse to hear any other alternatives other than "in-person". It is sad because instead of using the money and time to refine a district wide program, people just want to shut it down because of the pandemic. All of the parents who continue to post this article on social media are the same exact parents who were at every single board meeting complaining about virtual. Doesn't take a genius to figure out their agenda. It is quite sad and pathetic.

Lady, well before the pandemic there was research showing that virtual doesn’t even work for college students. Anyone with a single brain cell knows it’s a disaster for children, and yes, we know this because of the pandemic There is an extremely narrow case for it as a stop-gap for sick kids and SN kids who truly cannot be accomodated at their current placement, but it is not a long-term solution.

My kids did great in virtual. I think the problem is mostly with parents who left young children unsupervised and expected better results. The problem isn't virtual but lazy parents.

No, the problem is that it is completely developmentally inappropriate for young children to be staring at a screen like that all day long. Don't take my word for it, ask a developmental pediatrician. That's awesome that it worked for your kids (really! I am happy for you!) but that you would blame others experience on lazy parents is unbelievable.

What's even less appropriate is to neglect children so parents can make their pilates class.

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Anonymous wrote:Here it is again...parents in this county are so behind the times. Most districts across the country have offered virtual options since the early aughts. The fact MCPS only did in 2020 because of the pandemic is embarrassing. It's time to join the rest of the country in the 21st century without complaining because remote instruction didn't work for your kid during the pandemic. It's so absurd.

Just curious- how many of the virtual programs "across the country" are actually offered at the district level? Particularly in pre-pandemic times. Quite often the virtual programs are administered at the state level, which makes sense to me. So this is partly on the state of MD.

DP-I would first say, do your own research before asking others to do it for you. But all of my teaching friends from my program are in various states and it is offered at the district level. So, no. It's not on the state of Maryland at all. It could be implemented district wide as its done in MANY other places. MoCo has a unique set of parents that simply refuse to hear any other alternatives other than "in-person". It is sad because instead of using the money and time to refine a district wide program, people just want to shut it down because of the pandemic. All of the parents who continue to post this article on social media are the same exact parents who were at every single board meeting complaining about virtual. Doesn't take a genius to figure out their agenda. It is quite sad and pathetic.

Well how about you stop making claims when you can't back it up then.

Because you’re too lazy to do it yourself? Nah. Miss me with that. Montgomery County will just continue to fall back and stay archaic bc the status quo makes parents happy and comfortable. God forbid we evolve along with the rest of the world.

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The problem is the in-person only crowd absolutely refuses to see how virtual can benefit some students. Not all students (aka their students), but guess what? In person doesn’t work for all students either. In-person only crowd only considers their children’s needs, so they bash anyone who thinks differently. It’s juvenile and immature, but they want to continue to be selfish. If they spent a second in classrooms across the US right now, they’d see the complete disaster current classroom conditions are. They’d still refuse to listen to any alternatives though because they are stuck on an ideal from when they were kids. The world is changing….. not all students learn in the same environments…time to grow up.

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Anonymous wrote:Here it is again...parents in this county are so behind the times. Most districts across the country have offered virtual options since the early aughts. The fact MCPS only did in 2020 because of the pandemic is embarrassing. It's time to join the rest of the country in the 21st century without complaining because remote instruction didn't work for your kid during the pandemic. It's so absurd.

Just curious- how many of the virtual programs "across the country" are actually offered at the district level? Particularly in pre-pandemic times. Quite often the virtual programs are administered at the state level, which makes sense to me. So this is partly on the state of MD.

DP-I would first say, do your own research before asking others to do it for you. But all of my teaching friends from my program are in various states and it is offered at the district level. So, no. It's not on the state of Maryland at all. It could be implemented district wide as its done in MANY other places. MoCo has a unique set of parents that simply refuse to hear any other alternatives other than "in-person". It is sad because instead of using the money and time to refine a district wide program, people just want to shut it down because of the pandemic. All of the parents who continue to post this article on social media are the same exact parents who were at every single board meeting complaining about virtual. Doesn't take a genius to figure out their agenda. It is quite sad and pathetic.

Lady, well before the pandemic there was research showing that virtual doesn’t even work for college students. Anyone with a single brain cell knows it’s a disaster for children, and yes, we know this because of the pandemic There is an extremely narrow case for it as a stop-gap for sick kids and SN kids who truly cannot be accomodated at their current placement, but it is not a long-term solution.

My kids did great in virtual. I think the problem is mostly with parents who left young children unsupervised and expected better results. The problem isn't virtual but lazy parents.

How dare those parents work to feed their families! Who needs housing anyway?

And yet we all seem to manage caring for our kids unlike you.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is the in-person only crowd absolutely refuses to see how virtual can benefit some students. Not all students (aka their students), but guess what? In person doesn’t work for all students either. In-person only crowd only considers their children’s needs, so they bash anyone who thinks differently. It’s juvenile and immature, but they want to continue to be selfish. If they spent a second in classrooms across the US right now, they’d see the complete disaster current classroom conditions are. They’d still refuse to listen to any alternatives though because they are stuck on an ideal from when they were kids. The world is changing….. not all students learn in the same environments…time to grow up.

Virtual is simply on balance an inferior form of education even for those kids who can technically get by. Public school districts have zero obligation to offer a learning model that is expensive and has poor results. It only makes sense for kids who actually cannot go to school.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is the in-person only crowd absolutely refuses to see how virtual can benefit some students. Not all students (aka their students), but guess what? In person doesn’t work for all students either. In-person only crowd only considers their children’s needs, so they bash anyone who thinks differently. It’s juvenile and immature, but they want to continue to be selfish. If they spent a second in classrooms across the US right now, they’d see the complete disaster current classroom conditions are. They’d still refuse to listen to any alternatives though because they are stuck on an ideal from when they were kids. The world is changing….. not all students learn in the same environments…time to grow up.

Virtual is simply on balance an inferior form of education even for those kids who can technically get by. Public school districts have zero obligation to offer a learning model that is expensive and has poor results. It only makes sense for kids who actually cannot go to school.

It's only inferior when lazy parents fail to monitor or supervise young children; otherwise, it's amazing.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is the in-person only crowd absolutely refuses to see how virtual can benefit some students. Not all students (aka their students), but guess what? In person doesn’t work for all students either. In-person only crowd only considers their children’s needs, so they bash anyone who thinks differently. It’s juvenile and immature, but they want to continue to be selfish. If they spent a second in classrooms across the US right now, they’d see the complete disaster current classroom conditions are. They’d still refuse to listen to any alternatives though because they are stuck on an ideal from when they were kids. The world is changing….. not all students learn in the same environments…time to grow up.

Virtual is simply on balance an inferior form of education even for those kids who can technically get by. Public school districts have zero obligation to offer a learning model that is expensive and has poor results. It only makes sense for kids who actually cannot go to school.

It's only inferior when lazy parents fail to monitor or supervise young children; otherwise, it's amazing.

Ok, but clearly some parents are failing to supervise and monitor their kids, hence the on balance worse outcomes for VA.

It's like how everyone thinks they are a responsible gun owner until their kids pulls an unsecured handgun off the shelf.

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Anonymous wrote:Here it is again...parents in this county are so behind the times. Most districts across the country have offered virtual options since the early aughts. The fact MCPS only did in 2020 because of the pandemic is embarrassing. It's time to join the rest of the country in the 21st century without complaining because remote instruction didn't work for your kid during the pandemic. It's so absurd.

Just curious- how many of the virtual programs "across the country" are actually offered at the district level? Particularly in pre-pandemic times. Quite often the virtual programs are administered at the state level, which makes sense to me. So this is partly on the state of MD.

DP-I would first say, do your own research before asking others to do it for you. But all of my teaching friends from my program are in various states and it is offered at the district level. So, no. It's not on the state of Maryland at all. It could be implemented district wide as its done in MANY other places. MoCo has a unique set of parents that simply refuse to hear any other alternatives other than "in-person". It is sad because instead of using the money and time to refine a district wide program, people just want to shut it down because of the pandemic. All of the parents who continue to post this article on social media are the same exact parents who were at every single board meeting complaining about virtual. Doesn't take a genius to figure out their agenda. It is quite sad and pathetic.

Lady, well before the pandemic there was research showing that virtual doesn’t even work for college students. Anyone with a single brain cell knows it’s a disaster for children, and yes, we know this because of the pandemic There is an extremely narrow case for it as a stop-gap for sick kids and SN kids who truly cannot be accomodated at their current placement, but it is not a long-term solution.

My kids did great in virtual. I think the problem is mostly with parents who left young children unsupervised and expected better results. The problem isn't virtual but lazy parents.

No, the problem is that it is completely developmentally inappropriate for young children to be staring at a screen like that all day long. Don't take my word for it, ask a developmental pediatrician. That's awesome that it worked for your kids (really! I am happy for you!) but that you would blame others experience on lazy parents is unbelievable.

This is all VA evangelists do when confronted with data, research and anecdotes that point out how virtual learning is either not working or nowhere near as effective as in-person learning. It's ridiculous but they don't seem to have another play in their playbook.

We know our experience with the school. You have no experience and are slamming it. It was equally effective for our kids, in some ways better. It is teacher-dependent. A bad teacher in person is not better than a really good one virtually.

The big downfall is the social/home schools not allowing participation and not offering enough classes. MCPS big push for HS now is to dump the kids on MC vs. providing the high level classes which is a nightmare given the hours don't match with school schedules.

It's DCUM! Of course they're slamming something they don't know.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is the in-person only crowd absolutely refuses to see how virtual can benefit some students. Not all students (aka their students), but guess what? In person doesn’t work for all students either. In-person only crowd only considers their children’s needs, so they bash anyone who thinks differently. It’s juvenile and immature, but they want to continue to be selfish. If they spent a second in classrooms across the US right now, they’d see the complete disaster current classroom conditions are. They’d still refuse to listen to any alternatives though because they are stuck on an ideal from when they were kids. The world is changing….. not all students learn in the same environments…time to grow up.

Virtual is simply on balance an inferior form of education even for those kids who can technically get by. Public school districts have zero obligation to offer a learning model that is expensive and has poor results. It only makes sense for kids who actually cannot go to school.

Thanks for your opinion. However, not all kids are happy or want to go to in person. Sometimes the family over personal situation doesn't allow it. Some kids do better virtual. Why do you care if its offered?

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is the in-person only crowd absolutely refuses to see how virtual can benefit some students. Not all students (aka their students), but guess what? In person doesn’t work for all students either. In-person only crowd only considers their children’s needs, so they bash anyone who thinks differently. It’s juvenile and immature, but they want to continue to be selfish. If they spent a second in classrooms across the US right now, they’d see the complete disaster current classroom conditions are. They’d still refuse to listen to any alternatives though because they are stuck on an ideal from when they were kids. The world is changing….. not all students learn in the same environments…time to grow up.

Virtual is simply on balance an inferior form of education even for those kids who can technically get by. Public school districts have zero obligation to offer a learning model that is expensive and has poor results. It only makes sense for kids who actually cannot go to school.

It's only inferior when lazy parents fail to monitor or supervise young children; otherwise, it's amazing.

Ok, but clearly some parents are failing to supervise and monitor their kids, hence the on balance worse outcomes for VA.

It's like how everyone thinks they are a responsible gun owner until their kids pulls an unsecured handgun off the shelf.

An involved parent would know how there kids are doing virtually or in person. What are these tests based on? Lots of kids opted out of testing.

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Anonymous wrote:Here it is again...parents in this county are so behind the times. Most districts across the country have offered virtual options since the early aughts. The fact MCPS only did in 2020 because of the pandemic is embarrassing. It's time to join the rest of the country in the 21st century without complaining because remote instruction didn't work for your kid during the pandemic. It's so absurd.

Just curious- how many of the virtual programs "across the country" are actually offered at the district level? Particularly in pre-pandemic times. Quite often the virtual programs are administered at the state level, which makes sense to me. So this is partly on the state of MD.

DP-I would first say, do your own research before asking others to do it for you. But all of my teaching friends from my program are in various states and it is offered at the district level. So, no. It's not on the state of Maryland at all. It could be implemented district wide as its done in MANY other places. MoCo has a unique set of parents that simply refuse to hear any other alternatives other than "in-person". It is sad because instead of using the money and time to refine a district wide program, people just want to shut it down because of the pandemic. All of the parents who continue to post this article on social media are the same exact parents who were at every single board meeting complaining about virtual. Doesn't take a genius to figure out their agenda. It is quite sad and pathetic.

DP. Then name your friends that work in district-level virtual programs that existed before the pandemic. The only ones I'm aware of were at the state level, and most used commercial providers that received state funding.

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Anonymous wrote:I think they already announced there would be no VA option for ES. It seems much more appropriate for secondary school students.

I hadn't heard that, but it has been pretty clear for a while that virtual wasn't going to live long after ESSER funds ran out.