Washington Informer article: "School Lottery Season Starts Amid Questions about Enrollment and Equity"

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Anonymous wrote:How can kids get an associates in engineering if they can’t get a 2 on the PARCC? What does that degree possibly mean?

Sounds like a trash degree.

You sound lovely. 🙄 This is what a modern G&T program looks like lady.

How many of the high school students have completed that degree? Have any? That's more math than the most advanced students at BASIS are doing.

It's in the early launch stage, so nobody has completed it yet.

What's the plan for getting students to where they need to be math-wise? It's a two-year program so you'd have to do Calc 1 as a junior. Are any students coming in proficient in both Algebra and Geometry so that they can do Algebra 2 and then Precalculus in 9th and 10th grade, or is the plan to double up or do summer math? Is the goal to be attractive to student who previously would have gone to a different high school?

Yes. UDC is working with Kramer and Sousa Middles to prepare students to enter 9th grade ready to go. Students will attend summer classes (and be paid so they aren't losing the economic opportunity of summer employment). UDC also has dedicated funding for additional professional development for math teachers at all three schools. There are a few students already at Anacostia with the necessary math background. The hope is that talented kids in the neighborhood can access programs like this without having to travel across the city.

Promo video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1Xf010DS1o

How does this make sense?

There are kids who are proficient or advanced in math who are zoned for Sousa or Kramer. They're the ones attending BASIS, Deal, and Hardy. If you publicize an actual G&T program, like with scores for admission and a commitment to differentiation across the academic subjects, you will get some of those kids.

No, you won't.

Ok, thanks for your input

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Anonymous wrote:How can kids get an associates in engineering if they can’t get a 2 on the PARCC? What does that degree possibly mean?

Sounds like a trash degree.

You sound lovely. 🙄 This is what a modern G&T program looks like lady.

How many of the high school students have completed that degree? Have any? That's more math than the most advanced students at BASIS are doing.

It's in the early launch stage, so nobody has completed it yet.

What's the plan for getting students to where they need to be math-wise? It's a two-year program so you'd have to do Calc 1 as a junior. Are any students coming in proficient in both Algebra and Geometry so that they can do Algebra 2 and then Precalculus in 9th and 10th grade, or is the plan to double up or do summer math? Is the goal to be attractive to student who previously would have gone to a different high school?

Yes. UDC is working with Kramer and Sousa Middles to prepare students to enter 9th grade ready to go. Students will attend summer classes (and be paid so they aren't losing the economic opportunity of summer employment). UDC also has dedicated funding for additional professional development for math teachers at all three schools. There are a few students already at Anacostia with the necessary math background. The hope is that talented kids in the neighborhood can access programs like this without having to travel across the city.

Promo video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1Xf010DS1o

How does this make sense?

There are kids who are proficient or advanced in math who are zoned for Sousa or Kramer. They're the ones attending BASIS, Deal, and Hardy. If you publicize an actual G&T program, like with scores for admission and a commitment to differentiation across the academic subjects, you will get some of those kids.

This is a joke, right? Leave those students who have escaped alone.

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Anonymous wrote:How can kids get an associates in engineering if they can’t get a 2 on the PARCC? What does that degree possibly mean?

Sounds like a trash degree.

You sound lovely. 🙄 This is what a modern G&T program looks like lady.

How many of the high school students have completed that degree? Have any? That's more math than the most advanced students at BASIS are doing.

It's in the early launch stage, so nobody has completed it yet.

What's the plan for getting students to where they need to be math-wise? It's a two-year program so you'd have to do Calc 1 as a junior. Are any students coming in proficient in both Algebra and Geometry so that they can do Algebra 2 and then Precalculus in 9th and 10th grade, or is the plan to double up or do summer math? Is the goal to be attractive to student who previously would have gone to a different high school?

Yes. UDC is working with Kramer and Sousa Middles to prepare students to enter 9th grade ready to go. Students will attend summer classes (and be paid so they aren't losing the economic opportunity of summer employment). UDC also has dedicated funding for additional professional development for math teachers at all three schools. There are a few students already at Anacostia with the necessary math background. The hope is that talented kids in the neighborhood can access programs like this without having to travel across the city.

Promo video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1Xf010DS1o

How does this make sense?

There are kids who are proficient or advanced in math who are zoned for Sousa or Kramer. They're the ones attending BASIS, Deal, and Hardy. If you publicize an actual G&T program, like with scores for admission and a commitment to differentiation across the academic subjects, you will get some of those kids.

This is a joke, right? Leave those students who have escaped alone.

They didn't "escape", they're mostly UMC kids. And if you offer a real G&T program EOTR, there will be demand for that. But you have to run it like an actual G&T program.

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An actual EOTR parent here. For those concerned about charters, please move here, send your kids to DCPS for a few years, and then we can chat. Until then, please stop.

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EOTR parent - are the charters EOTR actually better performing than the DCPS? The ones with names like Friendship - I got the impression they were more alternatives than anything better.

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Anonymous wrote:What I think people need to really realize here is that the death of schools East of the Anacostia is about the charter sector eating DCPS' lunch over there. My take is that parents aren't seeing their children succeed in DCPS and want an alternative, which means the charter sector over there.

The unkind reality is that children of poor people who can't give extra to their kids, don't read to them, experience trauma, have little education themselves, etc., are going to have poor educational outcomes. I don't fault people for wanting better for their kids even if - because education is JUST NOT a game-changer for poorly-performing students - they are not likely to do better just because of these schools.

At some point, I really hope there are game-changing educational possibilities for poor and disadvantaged children, actually, I want it generations ago, but it appears we can only change the future. However, if there was truly such a thing, DCPS would do it too! DCPS totally would! Even a bureaucracy in America would eventually do what works.

But instead because no one can fix kids' outcomes, they say "well, let's go to a different service provider who promises better things!" And then the different outcomes are not one-to-one matched to the same kids. The mirage of different outcomes we perceive is really about sorting those who are more likely to succeed away from those who are less likely to. And it sucks. And it leads to crap like this - normal schools with minimal budgets able to do little to support kids who need A LOT because they can't get enough butts in seats.

Our effort to "offer alternatives" that don't do better has led predictably to the starvation of normal DCPS, from Sousa to Anacostia.

Every SJW who rails against charters and the damage they do to poor black folk (whom they don't know or go to school with) would rather W7 and W8 residents not have choices. They want them to stay in their terrible ES because that is "more fair".

The people against charters don't give a damn about the people in W7 and W8 who use them as a path to escape poverty.

Haha you haven’t looked at any data on residents in w 7/8 and the charters they go to. The majority are not doing better.
Charters take money when real public schools should be receiving them and expanding their programs. But hey, I take it you are just another gentrifier so I don’t expect much.

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Anonymous wrote:No I’m saying that charters are well meaning and poor kids are uneducable. Any time anyone tries to explain why the children of poor people consistently fail at education, they say it’s impossible to fix, that the kids need to be surrounded by massive support in order to mitigate a lifetime of trauma. I agree. The resources? Not coming. They just aren’t. The charters aren’t offering massive trauma reduction. They are just another set of schools.

So what do you get? Uneducated kids and a second system to do it that ALSO doesn’t solve their education problems. And then schools with too few kids to get any money. Hence they close.

The tragedy im getting at is that NO ONE has found the way to teach the traumatized intergenerational poor to become good standardized test takers, which is what this board cares about, right? Those PARCC 5s?

So why try with two school systems instead of one?

And if you want to say BASIS or KIPP, tell me what you think would happen if we took the Sousa or Anacostia HS student body and just sent them there. They wouldn’t turn out much better. This sucks! Why do we have charters if the outcomes are the same? We’re just offering a pressure valve that lets parent anger flow around the problem that these kids are growing up to be dummies. Another generation that can’t get into the mainstream economy and make first world incomes.

Is there anybody that can prepare the traumatized poor for college, real college not UDC for janitorial or haircare, without basically stealing them from their families and turning them individually into brainwashed suburbanites? I haven’t seen it. And it really sucks.

I somewhat agree. But there have been educational studies that show when you mix poor children with higher SES kids the outcomes improve (and it improves for all but larger gains for low income students).

Yes, and this makes it even more frustrating that DCPS won't make even the most minor effort to attract high achieving students (white or black) to stay in schools EOTP by offering test in magnets or even academically gifted programs. Parents would love to send their kids to public schools that would truly challenge them. And yet...so few do.

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Anonymous wrote:What I think people need to really realize here is that the death of schools East of the Anacostia is about the charter sector eating DCPS' lunch over there. My take is that parents aren't seeing their children succeed in DCPS and want an alternative, which means the charter sector over there.

The unkind reality is that children of poor people who can't give extra to their kids, don't read to them, experience trauma, have little education themselves, etc., are going to have poor educational outcomes. I don't fault people for wanting better for their kids even if - because education is JUST NOT a game-changer for poorly-performing students - they are not likely to do better just because of these schools.

At some point, I really hope there are game-changing educational possibilities for poor and disadvantaged children, actually, I want it generations ago, but it appears we can only change the future. However, if there was truly such a thing, DCPS would do it too! DCPS totally would! Even a bureaucracy in America would eventually do what works.

But instead because no one can fix kids' outcomes, they say "well, let's go to a different service provider who promises better things!" And then the different outcomes are not one-to-one matched to the same kids. The mirage of different outcomes we perceive is really about sorting those who are more likely to succeed away from those who are less likely to. And it sucks. And it leads to crap like this - normal schools with minimal budgets able to do little to support kids who need A LOT because they can't get enough butts in seats.

Our effort to "offer alternatives" that don't do better has led predictably to the starvation of normal DCPS, from Sousa to Anacostia.

Why are you assuming that everyone in Wards 7 and 8 are full of trauma/have parents who can’t give them extras, etc.?

To me, the article seems to indicate that there are many families in those Wards who are just the same as W3 families— if their kids were in Janney, they’d be scoring 5s just like your kid. The problem is that the DCPS schools around them aren’t offering the programs/support/instruction Janney does, and that’s the result of historic disinvestment, not because of the families. So naturally, these families have to travel long distances to get the schooling your kid gets to walk to in 5 min.

How can DCPS address this problem??

Thank you. The same can be said for much of Ward 5 DCPS as well.

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Anonymous wrote:An actual EOTR parent here. For those concerned about charters, please move here, send your kids to DCPS for a few years, and then we can chat. Until then, please stop.

I'm also an EOTR parent. Unless you want a specialized program (like language immersion or Montessori), the DCPS schools are comparable, if not better, than the charters EOTR.

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Anonymous wrote:What I think people need to really realize here is that the death of schools East of the Anacostia is about the charter sector eating DCPS' lunch over there. My take is that parents aren't seeing their children succeed in DCPS and want an alternative, which means the charter sector over there.

The unkind reality is that children of poor people who can't give extra to their kids, don't read to them, experience trauma, have little education themselves, etc., are going to have poor educational outcomes. I don't fault people for wanting better for their kids even if - because education is JUST NOT a game-changer for poorly-performing students - they are not likely to do better just because of these schools.

At some point, I really hope there are game-changing educational possibilities for poor and disadvantaged children, actually, I want it generations ago, but it appears we can only change the future. However, if there was truly such a thing, DCPS would do it too! DCPS totally would! Even a bureaucracy in America would eventually do what works.

But instead because no one can fix kids' outcomes, they say "well, let's go to a different service provider who promises better things!" And then the different outcomes are not one-to-one matched to the same kids. The mirage of different outcomes we perceive is really about sorting those who are more likely to succeed away from those who are less likely to. And it sucks. And it leads to crap like this - normal schools with minimal budgets able to do little to support kids who need A LOT because they can't get enough butts in seats.

Our effort to "offer alternatives" that don't do better has led predictably to the starvation of normal DCPS, from Sousa to Anacostia.

Why are you assuming that everyone in Wards 7 and 8 are full of trauma/have parents who can’t give them extras, etc.?

To me, the article seems to indicate that there are many families in those Wards who are just the same as W3 families— if their kids were in Janney, they’d be scoring 5s just like your kid. The problem is that the DCPS schools around them aren’t offering the programs/support/instruction Janney does, and that’s the result of historic disinvestment, not because of the families. So naturally, these families have to travel long distances to get the schooling your kid gets to walk to in 5 min.

How can DCPS address this problem??

Thank you. The same can be said for much of Ward 5 DCPS as well.

I think your problem is that DCPS won't admit that it can't handle your kid who's on their way to "PARCC 5s" and the kids who can barely read and attend school infrequently in the same classes. They want to go all heroic and save everybody together but the differences don't mix well. In Ward 3, these disparate educational cohorts aren't pulling the teachers in opposite directions.

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I'm certainly not a DCPS apologist, but they are doing a lot to try and support students/schools in Wards 7 and 8. If you look closely at school budgets, they're often about double per student in those school as in Ward 3. It doesn't really compare to the PTA supplements in Ward 3. They also incentivize highly effective teachers to teach in Title 1 schools by providing significantly higher bonuses ($2,000 vs. around $25,000). Both of these are pretty large in investments that most other districts aren't doing.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm certainly not a DCPS apologist, but they are doing a lot to try and support students/schools in Wards 7 and 8. If you look closely at school budgets, they're often about double per student in those school as in Ward 3. It doesn't really compare to the PTA supplements in Ward 3. They also incentivize highly effective teachers to teach in Title 1 schools by providing significantly higher bonuses ($2,000 vs. around $25,000). Both of these are pretty large in investments that most other districts aren't doing.

But none of this seems to be working?

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Anonymous wrote:What I think people need to really realize here is that the death of schools East of the Anacostia is about the charter sector eating DCPS' lunch over there. My take is that parents aren't seeing their children succeed in DCPS and want an alternative, which means the charter sector over there.

The unkind reality is that children of poor people who can't give extra to their kids, don't read to them, experience trauma, have little education themselves, etc., are going to have poor educational outcomes. I don't fault people for wanting better for their kids even if - because education is JUST NOT a game-changer for poorly-performing students - they are not likely to do better just because of these schools.

At some point, I really hope there are game-changing educational possibilities for poor and disadvantaged children, actually, I want it generations ago, but it appears we can only change the future. However, if there was truly such a thing, DCPS would do it too! DCPS totally would! Even a bureaucracy in America would eventually do what works.

But instead because no one can fix kids' outcomes, they say "well, let's go to a different service provider who promises better things!" And then the different outcomes are not one-to-one matched to the same kids. The mirage of different outcomes we perceive is really about sorting those who are more likely to succeed away from those who are less likely to. And it sucks. And it leads to crap like this - normal schools with minimal budgets able to do little to support kids who need A LOT because they can't get enough butts in seats.

Our effort to "offer alternatives" that don't do better has led predictably to the starvation of normal DCPS, from Sousa to Anacostia.

Why are you assuming that everyone in Wards 7 and 8 are full of trauma/have parents who can’t give them extras, etc.?

To me, the article seems to indicate that there are many families in those Wards who are just the same as W3 families— if their kids were in Janney, they’d be scoring 5s just like your kid. The problem is that the DCPS schools around them aren’t offering the programs/support/instruction Janney does, and that’s the result of historic disinvestment, not because of the families. So naturally, these families have to travel long distances to get the schooling your kid gets to walk to in 5 min.

How can DCPS address this problem??

Thank you. The same can be said for much of Ward 5 DCPS as well.

I think your problem is that DCPS won't admit that it can't handle your kid who's on their way to "PARCC 5s" and the kids who can barely read and attend school infrequently in the same classes. They want to go all heroic and save everybody together but the differences don't mix well. In Ward 3, these disparate educational cohorts aren't pulling the teachers in opposite directions.

+1

I believe this is the crux of the problem in the classroom. You can’t effectively teach a kid reading above grade level and at the same time teach a kid who can’t read at all and only comes to school 70% of the time.

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Anonymous wrote:What I think people need to really realize here is that the death of schools East of the Anacostia is about the charter sector eating DCPS' lunch over there. My take is that parents aren't seeing their children succeed in DCPS and want an alternative, which means the charter sector over there.

The unkind reality is that children of poor people who can't give extra to their kids, don't read to them, experience trauma, have little education themselves, etc., are going to have poor educational outcomes. I don't fault people for wanting better for their kids even if - because education is JUST NOT a game-changer for poorly-performing students - they are not likely to do better just because of these schools.

At some point, I really hope there are game-changing educational possibilities for poor and disadvantaged children, actually, I want it generations ago, but it appears we can only change the future. However, if there was truly such a thing, DCPS would do it too! DCPS totally would! Even a bureaucracy in America would eventually do what works.

But instead because no one can fix kids' outcomes, they say "well, let's go to a different service provider who promises better things!" And then the different outcomes are not one-to-one matched to the same kids. The mirage of different outcomes we perceive is really about sorting those who are more likely to succeed away from those who are less likely to. And it sucks. And it leads to crap like this - normal schools with minimal budgets able to do little to support kids who need A LOT because they can't get enough butts in seats.

Our effort to "offer alternatives" that don't do better has led predictably to the starvation of normal DCPS, from Sousa to Anacostia.

Why are you assuming that everyone in Wards 7 and 8 are full of trauma/have parents who can’t give them extras, etc.?

To me, the article seems to indicate that there are many families in those Wards who are just the same as W3 families— if their kids were in Janney, they’d be scoring 5s just like your kid. The problem is that the DCPS schools around them aren’t offering the programs/support/instruction Janney does, and that’s the result of historic disinvestment, not because of the families. So naturally, these families have to travel long distances to get the schooling your kid gets to walk to in 5 min.

How can DCPS address this problem??

Thank you. The same can be said for much of Ward 5 DCPS as well.

I think your problem is that DCPS won't admit that it can't handle your kid who's on their way to "PARCC 5s" and the kids who can barely read and attend school infrequently in the same classes. They want to go all heroic and save everybody together but the differences don't mix well. In Ward 3, these disparate educational cohorts aren't pulling the teachers in opposite directions.

+1

I believe this is the crux of the problem in the classroom. You can’t effectively teach a kid reading above grade level and at the same time teach a kid who can’t read at all and only comes to school 70% of the time.

Bingo

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Anonymous wrote:EOTR parent - are the charters EOTR actually better performing than the DCPS? The ones with names like Friendship - I got the impression they were more alternatives than anything better.

The test performance is better. Culture and climate too IMO. But what's "better" is a matter of what's most important to you but if you are talking about test performance (PARCC), KIPP, DC Prep and Friendship operate schools EOTR that perform better on the test.