Red shirting for sports- Is this really a thing for older kids?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The best time to do this is Pre-K or K.

K is the worst time to hold your kid back because you dont know yet if it is needed. Skipping grades later on to correct a bad decision to redshirt/repeat K is harder.

That’s silly. Though I said earlier that 1st grade might be a good time because of beginning reading skills being taught. No one skips a grade later through middle school other than a kid might look to graduate early if they can (often for football so they can do a college’s spring practices).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Happens all the time in baseball--it's now called "reclassifying." Boys usually repeat 6th, 7th, or 8th grade, and thus are physically larger and stronger than their peers. Plus, the extra year of maturity doesn't hurt in the classroom, especially for high school!

One of our coaches asked us if we would consider having our son reclassify (i.e., repeat 8th grade at a private school). He did not, in large part because school always comes first, but given that he's a young 9th grader, sometimes I wonder if we should have done it for the executive function alone!

Nope, still called "held back". Kids that couldn't compete needed some help.

Ha, you wish it was called that. Sorry, hon.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Happens all the time in baseball--it's now called "reclassifying." Boys usually repeat 6th, 7th, or 8th grade, and thus are physically larger and stronger than their peers. Plus, the extra year of maturity doesn't hurt in the classroom, especially for high school!

One of our coaches asked us if we would consider having our son reclassify (i.e., repeat 8th grade at a private school). He did not, in large part because school always comes first, but given that he's a young 9th grader, sometimes I wonder if we should have done it for the executive function alone!

Nope, still called "held back". Kids that couldn't compete needed some help.

You sound petty and jealous.
I don't have a kid on this track but have seen it work countless times. Frankly, at least half the Ivy admits I know well are reclassed athletes.
These kids start as top local players but receive an extra boost for college with the extra year. It works like clockwork.

Nobody is jealous of held back kids who are too ild for the grade. They get picked on for being too old. Seen it happen.

How strange. Your kids must be high FARMs schools? It is so, so common at schools for middle and upper class kids that no one cares or even notices.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Happens all the time in baseball--it's now called "reclassifying." Boys usually repeat 6th, 7th, or 8th grade, and thus are physically larger and stronger than their peers. Plus, the extra year of maturity doesn't hurt in the classroom, especially for high school!

One of our coaches asked us if we would consider having our son reclassify (i.e., repeat 8th grade at a private school). He did not, in large part because school always comes first, but given that he's a young 9th grader, sometimes I wonder if we should have done it for the executive function alone!

Nope, still called "held back". Kids that couldn't compete needed some help.

You sound petty and jealous.
I don't have a kid on this track but have seen it work countless times. Frankly, at least half the Ivy admits I know well are reclassed athletes.
These kids start as top local players but receive an extra boost for college with the extra year. It works like clockwork.

Nobody is jealous of held back kids who are too ild for the grade. They get picked on for being too old. Seen it happen.

How strange. Your kids must be high FARMs schools? It is so, so common at schools for middle and upper class kids that no one cares or even notices.

Nope, my kids go to a nice highly-rated public where academics can be cut-throat. There are a few redshirted and held back kids who are given the side eye. I'm sure their parents had their reasons, but it's not encouraged by the administration to redshirt kindergartners. You sound like you have lop-sided priorities. Sports are far less important than academics in the long run.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There is obviously a continuum of kids to consider:

To whatever extent a kid fits toward one end of the continuum, that’s a reason to red shirt purely for sports, and if not toward that end of the continuum, not to redshirt:

Is his birthday in a month close to the cutoff? (June/July/August/September)?
Is he one of the smallest boys in the grade and likely to grow a lot but later?
Is he super sporty in a sport where size/strength is important?
Does it make sense for him and your family to have him change schools (even if it’s one year of private between middle and HS)?

We red shirted our late-August birthday boy because all these applied — he went private for 7-8 then back to public. (Caution: parental pride triggers)

Results:
Varsity starting freshman year, despite still being very small
1st team all-state in two sports senior year after big late growth spurt (but his 11th grade performances were not enough to attract recruiters’ interest)
Top grades
Admitted to Ivies on academics but attended a top-10 SLAC on a full merit ride, walked onto and barely made the team (perennial top 20 in U.S.) in his chosen sport, captain senior year.

Is anyone here really going to argue that for a little guy with a late-August birthday that this red shirting shouldn’t have happened?

It doesn’t sound like he was actually recruited for sports? So maybe the extra year helped with academics?

We redshirted him to help him succeed in HS sports, but it was crucial to his success in college sports too. Even with the redshirting, he made the team by the skin of his teeth. It’s really hard to walk on to a top team; you have to displace a recruit, who along with his parents has been “courted” by the coach.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is obviously a continuum of kids to consider:

To whatever extent a kid fits toward one end of the continuum, that’s a reason to red shirt purely for sports, and if not toward that end of the continuum, not to redshirt:

Is his birthday in a month close to the cutoff? (June/July/August/September)?
Is he one of the smallest boys in the grade and likely to grow a lot but later?
Is he super sporty in a sport where size/strength is important?
Does it make sense for him and your family to have him change schools (even if it’s one year of private between middle and HS)?

We red shirted our late-August birthday boy because all these applied — he went private for 7-8 then back to public. (Caution: parental pride triggers)

Results:
Varsity starting freshman year, despite still being very small
1st team all-state in two sports senior year after big late growth spurt (but his 11th grade performances were not enough to attract recruiters’ interest)
Top grades
Admitted to Ivies on academics but attended a top-10 SLAC on a full merit ride, walked onto and barely made the team (perennial top 20 in U.S.) in his chosen sport, captain senior year.

Is anyone here really going to argue that for a little guy with a late-August birthday that this red shirting shouldn’t have happened?

It doesn’t sound like he was actually recruited for sports? So maybe the extra year helped with academics?

We redshirted him to help him succeed in HS sports, but it was crucial to his success in college sports too. Even with the redshirting, he made the team by the skin of his teeth. It’s really hard to walk on to a top team; you have to displace a recruit, who along with his parents has been “courted” by the coach.

Was this a sport that anybody even cares about?

[Anonymous]

What happened to that great Republican idea of holding back every kid who was not reading at the 3rd grade level by the end of 3rd grade?

[Anonymous]

It's redshirting when they are held back in K. It is reclassing when it is done in middle school.

I didn't reclass my son because he has a Jan birthday but if he were born in May/Jun and maybe even April I totally would have. Academically he didn't care about school until 10th grade.

[Anonymous]

I guess if your kid is replying on sports to get into college or pay for it then you make these kinds of decisions but it’s better to rely on brains and other kind of accomplishments.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I guess if your kid is replying on sports to get into college or pay for it then you make these kinds of decisions but it’s better to rely on brains and other kind of accomplishments.

Glad you got it figured you! Now you do you and let others make their choices.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Happens all the time in baseball--it's now called "reclassifying." Boys usually repeat 6th, 7th, or 8th grade, and thus are physically larger and stronger than their peers. Plus, the extra year of maturity doesn't hurt in the classroom, especially for high school!

One of our coaches asked us if we would consider having our son reclassify (i.e., repeat 8th grade at a private school). He did not, in large part because school always comes first, but given that he's a young 9th grader, sometimes I wonder if we should have done it for the executive function alone!

Nope, still called "held back". Kids that couldn't compete needed some help.

You sound petty and jealous.
I don't have a kid on this track but have seen it work countless times. Frankly, at least half the Ivy admits I know well are reclassed athletes.
These kids start as top local players but receive an extra boost for college with the extra year. It works like clockwork.

Nobody is jealous of held back kids who are too ild for the grade. They get picked on for being too old. Seen it happen.

How strange. Your kids must be high FARMs schools? It is so, so common at schools for middle and upper class kids that no one cares or even notices.

Nope, my kids go to a nice highly-rated public where academics can be cut-throat. There are a few redshirted and held back kids who are given the side eye. I'm sure their parents had their reasons, but it's not encouraged by the administration to redshirt kindergartners. You sound like you have lop-sided priorities. Sports are far less important than academics in the long run.

Your kids go to a highly rated public that doesn't have upper and middle class families?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Happens all the time in baseball--it's now called "reclassifying." Boys usually repeat 6th, 7th, or 8th grade, and thus are physically larger and stronger than their peers. Plus, the extra year of maturity doesn't hurt in the classroom, especially for high school!

One of our coaches asked us if we would consider having our son reclassify (i.e., repeat 8th grade at a private school). He did not, in large part because school always comes first, but given that he's a young 9th grader, sometimes I wonder if we should have done it for the executive function alone!

Nope, still called "held back". Kids that couldn't compete needed some help.

You sound petty and jealous.
I don't have a kid on this track but have seen it work countless times. Frankly, at least half the Ivy admits I know well are reclassed athletes.
These kids start as top local players but receive an extra boost for college with the extra year. It works like clockwork.

Nobody is jealous of held back kids who are too ild for the grade. They get picked on for being too old. Seen it happen.

How strange. Your kids must be high FARMs schools? It is so, so common at schools for middle and upper class kids that no one cares or even notices.

Nope, my kids go to a nice highly-rated public where academics can be cut-throat. There are a few redshirted and held back kids who are given the side eye. I'm sure their parents had their reasons, but it's not encouraged by the administration to redshirt kindergartners. You sound like you have lop-sided priorities. Sports are far less important than academics in the long run.

Public school ES principals have bigger fish to fry than worrying about red-shirted kids. They come into school more mature, better at the unrealistic expectations K and 1st foist upon kids these days, and with superior emotional regulation. What's not to like?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Happens all the time in baseball--it's now called "reclassifying." Boys usually repeat 6th, 7th, or 8th grade, and thus are physically larger and stronger than their peers. Plus, the extra year of maturity doesn't hurt in the classroom, especially for high school!

One of our coaches asked us if we would consider having our son reclassify (i.e., repeat 8th grade at a private school). He did not, in large part because school always comes first, but given that he's a young 9th grader, sometimes I wonder if we should have done it for the executive function alone!

Nope, still called "held back". Kids that couldn't compete needed some help.

You sound petty and jealous.
I don't have a kid on this track but have seen it work countless times. Frankly, at least half the Ivy admits I know well are reclassed athletes.
These kids start as top local players but receive an extra boost for college with the extra year. It works like clockwork.

Nobody is jealous of held back kids who are too ild for the grade. They get picked on for being too old. Seen it happen.

How strange. Your kids must be high FARMs schools? It is so, so common at schools for middle and upper class kids that no one cares or even notices.

Nope, my kids go to a nice highly-rated public where academics can be cut-throat. There are a few redshirted and held back kids who are given the side eye. I'm sure their parents had their reasons, but it's not encouraged by the administration to redshirt kindergartners. You sound like you have lop-sided priorities. Sports are far less important than academics in the long run.

Your kids go to a highly rated public that doesn't have upper and middle class families?

Yes, this is very strange. The wealthier the school, the more redshirted kids. Wealthy people are savvy enough to give their kids every advantage they can.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A story. Good friends oldest was a very good athlete and he particularly wanted to play college basketball. 6 foot 1 inch point guard. Captain of his big catholic school team. Played on a very competitive AAU team. But, when push came to shove the big conference coaches thought he was not quick enough for a point guard. So - off to a D3 school to play. Freshman year he grows another 4 inches. Now, as a 6’5” really good ball handling player almost everyone wanted him. He transferred to a good D1 program. Had they redshirted him he would have had those 4 inches and recruiting would have been very different.

My daughter played college soccer. She has an October birthday. She started K as a young five kid. But, after the year we decided to hold her back a year. She was just not ready. So instead of a young 5 she was an old 5 starting out. It turned out several friends did the same with their kid so she was not alone. I coached my kids in rec soccer and my “veteran” K team was a hoot.

With girls it is way less important as they don’t have those second growth spurts that a fair number of guys get between 18-20.

Academics should be more important than sports. Holding back for a year to hope a kid grows and gets better makes no sense. Reality is now is that boy playing as his career? Probably not.

+ a million. Sports obsessed parents are pure nuts. Career-ending injuries happen all the time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Happens all the time in baseball--it's now called "reclassifying." Boys usually repeat 6th, 7th, or 8th grade, and thus are physically larger and stronger than their peers. Plus, the extra year of maturity doesn't hurt in the classroom, especially for high school!

One of our coaches asked us if we would consider having our son reclassify (i.e., repeat 8th grade at a private school). He did not, in large part because school always comes first, but given that he's a young 9th grader, sometimes I wonder if we should have done it for the executive function alone!

Nope, still called "held back". Kids that couldn't compete needed some help.

You sound petty and jealous.
I don't have a kid on this track but have seen it work countless times. Frankly, at least half the Ivy admits I know well are reclassed athletes.
These kids start as top local players but receive an extra boost for college with the extra year. It works like clockwork.

Nobody is jealous of held back kids who are too ild for the grade. They get picked on for being too old. Seen it happen.

How strange. Your kids must be high FARMs schools? It is so, so common at schools for middle and upper class kids that no one cares or even notices.

Nope, my kids go to a nice highly-rated public where academics can be cut-throat. There are a few redshirted and held back kids who are given the side eye. I'm sure their parents had their reasons, but it's not encouraged by the administration to redshirt kindergartners. You sound like you have lop-sided priorities. Sports are far less important than academics in the long run.

Your kids go to a highly rated public that doesn't have upper and middle class families?

Yes, this is very strange. The wealthier the school, the more redshirted kids. Wealthy people are savvy enough to give their kids every advantage they can.

The only thing that is strange is redshirting so your kid can be the biggest in his grade.