Pepper spray assault at RMHS

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, its illegal to send paper spray to a public school.

Cool. Tell MCPS to take the sexual predators out of our schools and maybe we can re-assess.

Sexual assault is also illegal, yet it happens. My kid will protect herself, tyvm.

And, if your child gets caught with pepper spray, you might want to have a good attorney on speed dial. Or, here's an idea, that good school you moved to isn't so good so go private or move to a school without those issues.

Correct, s/he will receive a 10 day out of school suspension. No matter the reason.

If it helps, it didn't seem to affect my kids college applications or acceptances.

Glad to hear that. Sorry that your kid had to deal with this. I hope my DD never has to use her pepper spray at school, but it's there if needed.

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I asked my DD about this, and she said had no clue about it.

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Anonymous wrote:That’s probably illegal. However better to use that rather than a gun.

LOL

Idk if it’s illegal. I’m sending my DD to school with pepper spray. My kid is at RM and there was a robbery AT school, in the school bathroom. They have individuals enter the school who shouldn’t be there.

System-wide, MCPS has displayed its inability to keep our students (and teachers) safe in schools and on the bus - look at the history of sexual assaults on buses and in schools.

If anyone so much as tries to lay a finger on my DD, she knows to kick them in the nuts and spray. Ask questions later. If she gets in trouble for doing that, so be it.

If someone robs you, it's best to just give them what they want. Do you have any clue how many students are carrying guns and knives in schools right now? Mace will do nothing against those, and might even make a situation worse. Don't give your kid a false sense of safety.

No, when someone robs you, you should give them the beating of their life, with scars to remember you by. When you “give them what they want” they not infrequently decide they want something more. The idea that people should meekly comply with criminal demands is a patronizing fraud developed by the same armed government personnel who don’t want anyone else to be able to defend themselves. Believing that you are secure because criminals will act morally and virtuously if you cooperate — now that’s a false sense of security.

Anecdotal story here from the 90s. A military parent (some kind of special forces guy) taught kids how to fight. Like kill or be killed fight. Some guy touched his daughter inappropriately and she broke him into pieces. You could say the guy "learned his lesson" but she was expelled from MCPS and they could not get a private school to admit her. They had to move and last I heard it looked like they were on the hook for a lifetime of medical care. You don't live in a TV show and if you are going to teach your kids how to fight back then also teach them how / when to stop.

Didn’t happen.

Of course it didn’t happen. Nobody is ever on the hook for a ‘lifetime of medical care’. Such nonsense.

Of course you should teach your kid to fight back. Especially your daughters, who are statistically quite likely to be victims of sexual assault.

I’m not that poster but what on earth are you thinking to say that no one is ever on the hook for a lifetime of medical care? If you assault someone and they have sign it isn’t injuries that will require a lifetime of care (eg TBI or spinal cord), they will sue you. They will seek as damages their lost income and their medical expenses arising out of the injury, past and future expenses. If the jury finds you liable, that will be the judgment. You a then pay it or file for bankruptcy. Some states have a comparative negligence standard that may come into play if the other person initiated the conflict.

Most states also have a duty to retreat in criminal law so a kid that fails to retreat when safe to do so and continues attacking instead may have criminal liability.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That’s probably illegal. However better to use that rather than a gun.

LOL

Idk if it’s illegal. I’m sending my DD to school with pepper spray. My kid is at RM and there was a robbery AT school, in the school bathroom. They have individuals enter the school who shouldn’t be there.

System-wide, MCPS has displayed its inability to keep our students (and teachers) safe in schools and on the bus - look at the history of sexual assaults on buses and in schools.

If anyone so much as tries to lay a finger on my DD, she knows to kick them in the nuts and spray. Ask questions later. If she gets in trouble for doing that, so be it.

If someone robs you, it's best to just give them what they want. Do you have any clue how many students are carrying guns and knives in schools right now? Mace will do nothing against those, and might even make a situation worse. Don't give your kid a false sense of safety.

No, when someone robs you, you should give them the beating of their life, with scars to remember you by. When you “give them what they want” they not infrequently decide they want something more. The idea that people should meekly comply with criminal demands is a patronizing fraud developed by the same armed government personnel who don’t want anyone else to be able to defend themselves. Believing that you are secure because criminals will act morally and virtuously if you cooperate — now that’s a false sense of security.

Anecdotal story here from the 90s. A military parent (some kind of special forces guy) taught kids how to fight. Like kill or be killed fight. Some guy touched his daughter inappropriately and she broke him into pieces. You could say the guy "learned his lesson" but she was expelled from MCPS and they could not get a private school to admit her. They had to move and last I heard it looked like they were on the hook for a lifetime of medical care. You don't live in a TV show and if you are going to teach your kids how to fight back then also teach them how / when to stop.

Didn’t happen.

Of course it didn’t happen. Nobody is ever on the hook for a ‘lifetime of medical care’. Such nonsense.

Of course you should teach your kid to fight back. Especially your daughters, who are statistically quite likely to be victims of sexual assault.

I’m not that poster but what on earth are you thinking to say that no one is ever on the hook for a lifetime of medical care? If you assault someone and they have sign it isn’t injuries that will require a lifetime of care (eg TBI or spinal cord), they will sue you. They will seek as damages their lost income and their medical expenses arising out of the injury, past and future expenses. If the jury finds you liable, that will be the judgment. You a then pay it or file for bankruptcy. Some states have a comparative negligence standard that may come into play if the other person initiated the conflict.

Most states also have a duty to retreat in criminal law so a kid that fails to retreat when safe to do so and continues attacking instead may have criminal liability.

I certainly hope at least the first part of the underlying story is true, but it all rings as one of those apocryphal tales that grow with the telling.

To begin with, parents typically aren’t liable for their children’s torts. There’s no third party liability associated with merely teaching defensive techniques so if the claim was against a parent there would have to be more than that. Even assuming liability, nobody actually ends up “on the hook for a lifetime of medical care.” Cases settle for liability policy limits and/or the judgement debtor bankrupts out.

Military “combatives” training is largely intended to increase physical self confidence, but if well applied those techniques can be quite effective in ending a fight. In that context, there is a well-known quotation:

“If violent crime is to be curbed, it is only the intended victim who can do it. The felon does not fear the police, and he fears neither judge nor jury. Therefore what he must be taught to fear is his victim.”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s better than the teacher assault the first week of school. That was extremely traumatic. There are a lot of messed up kids at RM. Getting scary.

What happened the first week of school? Source ?

Do you have a kid at RM? The principal sent out an email when it occurred. Traumatic enough that she felt the need to inform parents and offer support services.

If you’re not on the RM email list and are a parent, it is a good idea to sign up for it.

Please post the email.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What was the teacher assault at the beginning of the year?

What was the anti-LGBTQ incident?

What was the pepper spray incident?

My kid goes there and didn’t hear about any of these things.

RM parent here. My DC didnt hear about any of these incidents either, I learned about them from DCUM or principal emails.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Even IB can do only so much to help that school. Sigh

Yeah. "IB" student = no issues. Hahahahah.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s better than the teacher assault the first week of school. That was extremely traumatic. There are a lot of messed up kids at RM. Getting scary.

I have kids 6 years apart and RM has been much scarier and completely out of control the last 2 years. Nothing like a mixture of lower class kids and entitled brats. The drugs aMd fights are the worst. Its not a safe nor a fun school.

A large percentage of county voters support a sanctuary city and county but are the same ones who whine when the diversity and influx of new arrivals permiate the school but can't figure out what has changed. Recent "professional development" centers on how teachers continually "harm" students with rules -- it's a form of white supremacy according to the training. No rules, nothing but excuses for poor behavior and poor performance, no consequence for chronic absenteeism, giving grades away or inflating grades, graduating students who are ill-prepared to contribute to society, and so on. I can't figure it out though.

[Anonymous]

Wheaton HS just had a pepper spray incident this past week also.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What was the teacher assault at the beginning of the year?

What was the anti-LGBTQ incident?

What was the pepper spray incident?

My kid goes there and didn’t hear about any of these things.

RM parent here. My DC didnt hear about any of these incidents either, I learned about them from DCUM or principal emails.

Must be pretty minor then.