What grade level is this math problem

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Anonymous wrote:I don't want to be that parent, but my rising 2nd grader worked on problems like this over the summer. They were in a puzzle/logic book. This can't be 6thg grade math, c'mon US Math standards can't be this low.

And my 6yo can do this easily in his head but can't read or throw a ball well or do many other things that other 6yos have talent in. And other people's 4yos taught themselves to read and still others can throw so well they can pitch to a batter. All our kids have strengths and weaknesses, no need to look for an opportunity to brag about your kids strengths when it has nothing to do with the question ask.

She is above average, she is no math genius. This is not an algebra problem, this is a simple logic problem that can be drawn out. They covered fractions in first grade, so she knows what a half is. It blows my mind that this is not being covered until 6th grade, the average kid can absolutely do this work earlier.

You don’t have to be a math genius to solve this problem, you just have to have a certain type of brain for visualizing the world. Some kids have it and can do this problem about as early as they can read it. Kids who need to be taught this kind of thing in a structured way because they can’t visualize/mentally understand the problem intuitively have to learn a bunch of other things too/first. Same goes for learning to pitch and critiquing a poem and playing a tune on the piano. The range different kids can pick these skills up is widely variable but most of them can do all of the above by middle school if they receive consistent support and instruction. You’re being ingenuous here.

Maybe i am being ingenious, i'm not an educator, but US kids rank 38th worldwide in Math proficiency. Clearly this stuff is being covered earlier and more sucessfully in dozens of countries.

You might be good at math, but you're still bad at logic. There is nothing about the US' ranking that indicates it teaches topics later than other countries do. And teaching things early is not necessarily correlated with teaching them well. For example, many countries with higher language arts performance than the US teach reading later than the US does (see Finland).

ps: ingenious does not mean what you seem to think it does.

My logic/instinct seems to be right on. The scores represent level of achievement in terms
of complexity. All the top scoring countries, including our neighbors up north in Canada, introduce concepts much earlier than US. They don’t teach in a rigid, formulaic way, they will introduce this in third grade and teach kids how to draw this out. They teach algebraic, geometry and statistical concepts in 3rd grade in integrated math.

You are describing Common Core.

Common Core does not specify the methods to teach, but Read Draw Write is very common (if not "standard") in US. What you are saying "Canada does" is exactly what the "anti-Common Core / pro Traditional Math" gang says makes kids stupid in the US.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't want to be that parent, but my rising 2nd grader worked on problems like this over the summer. They were in a puzzle/logic book. This can't be 6thg grade math, c'mon US Math standards can't be this low.

And my 6yo can do this easily in his head but can't read or throw a ball well or do many other things that other 6yos have talent in. And other people's 4yos taught themselves to read and still others can throw so well they can pitch to a batter. All our kids have strengths and weaknesses, no need to look for an opportunity to brag about your kids strengths when it has nothing to do with the question ask.

She is above average, she is no math genius. This is not an algebra problem, this is a simple logic problem that can be drawn out. They covered fractions in first grade, so she knows what a half is. It blows my mind that this is not being covered until 6th grade, the average kid can absolutely do this work earlier.

You don’t have to be a math genius to solve this problem, you just have to have a certain type of brain for visualizing the world. Some kids have it and can do this problem about as early as they can read it. Kids who need to be taught this kind of thing in a structured way because they can’t visualize/mentally understand the problem intuitively have to learn a bunch of other things too/first. Same goes for learning to pitch and critiquing a poem and playing a tune on the piano. The range different kids can pick these skills up is widely variable but most of them can do all of the above by middle school if they receive consistent support and instruction. You’re being ingenuous here.

Maybe i am being ingenious, i'm not an educator, but US kids rank 38th worldwide in Math proficiency. Clearly this stuff is being covered earlier and more sucessfully in dozens of countries.

You might be good at math, but you're still bad at logic. There is nothing about the US' ranking that indicates it teaches topics later than other countries do. And teaching things early is not necessarily correlated with teaching them well. For example, many countries with higher language arts performance than the US teach reading later than the US does (see Finland).

ps: ingenious does not mean what you seem to think it does.

My logic/instinct seems to be right on. The scores represent level of achievement in terms
of complexity. All the top scoring countries, including our neighbors up north in Canada, introduce concepts much earlier than US. They don’t teach in a rigid, formulaic way, they will introduce this in third grade and teach kids how to draw this out. They teach algebraic, geometry and statistical concepts in 3rd grade in integrated math.

You are describing Common Core.

Common Core does not specify the methods to teach, but Read Draw Write is very common (if not "standard") in US. What you are saying "Canada does" is exactly what the "anti-Common Core / pro Traditional Math" gang says makes kids stupid in the US.

Kids in Finland are introduced to statistics in 5th grade. German kids are doing quadratic equations in 7th grade. In Singapore this problem is introduced in 3rd grade.

Common core is merely a set of standards, the standards are below those of other countries.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't want to be that parent, but my rising 2nd grader worked on problems like this over the summer. They were in a puzzle/logic book. This can't be 6thg grade math, c'mon US Math standards can't be this low.

And my 6yo can do this easily in his head but can't read or throw a ball well or do many other things that other 6yos have talent in. And other people's 4yos taught themselves to read and still others can throw so well they can pitch to a batter. All our kids have strengths and weaknesses, no need to look for an opportunity to brag about your kids strengths when it has nothing to do with the question ask.

She is above average, she is no math genius. This is not an algebra problem, this is a simple logic problem that can be drawn out. They covered fractions in first grade, so she knows what a half is. It blows my mind that this is not being covered until 6th grade, the average kid can absolutely do this work earlier.

You don’t have to be a math genius to solve this problem, you just have to have a certain type of brain for visualizing the world. Some kids have it and can do this problem about as early as they can read it. Kids who need to be taught this kind of thing in a structured way because they can’t visualize/mentally understand the problem intuitively have to learn a bunch of other things too/first. Same goes for learning to pitch and critiquing a poem and playing a tune on the piano. The range different kids can pick these skills up is widely variable but most of them can do all of the above by middle school if they receive consistent support and instruction. You’re being ingenuous here.

Maybe i am being ingenious, i'm not an educator, but US kids rank 38th worldwide in Math proficiency. Clearly this stuff is being covered earlier and more sucessfully in dozens of countries.

You might be good at math, but you're still bad at logic. There is nothing about the US' ranking that indicates it teaches topics later than other countries do. And teaching things early is not necessarily correlated with teaching them well. For example, many countries with higher language arts performance than the US teach reading later than the US does (see Finland).

ps: ingenious does not mean what you seem to think it does.

My logic/instinct seems to be right on. The scores represent level of achievement in terms
of complexity. All the top scoring countries, including our neighbors up north in Canada, introduce concepts much earlier than US. They don’t teach in a rigid, formulaic way, they will introduce this in third grade and teach kids how to draw this out. They teach algebraic, geometry and statistical concepts in 3rd grade in integrated math.

You are describing Common Core.

Common Core does not specify the methods to teach, but Read Draw Write is very common (if not "standard") in US. What you are saying "Canada does" is exactly what the "anti-Common Core / pro Traditional Math" gang says makes kids stupid in the US.

Kids in Finland are introduced to statistics in 5th grade. German kids are doing quadratic equations in 7th grade. In Singapore this problem is introduced in 3rd grade.

Common core is merely a set of standards, the standards are below those of other countries.

Okay? I don’t remember elementary school well enough to know about OP’s problem but I know I did quadratic equations in an ordinary US middle school. So I’m not sure what your point is? I did a year in the UK in high school doing A-level further maths: they knew more statistics than me but no calculus or pre calculus, both of which were offered at my American high school and which almost all students who liked math took. Difference countries prioritize different skills and different times to teach specific lessons.

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OP, the answer is 17.5min. Its weird you need DCUM to solve this for your kid.

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To answer op it could be any grade. Question is, are they being asked to challenge themselves or is this a run-of-the-mill Q. “Run of the mill” sounds like I’m putting judgement on it.

It depends on the moment, the class, the goal, etc etc etc .. What does the teacher want to do right now?

My 3rd grader is getting both kinds this year. Stuff he knows, (stuff in the middle) and huge challenge questions that they aren’t expected to even be close to knowing.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, the answer is 17.5min. Its weird you need DCUM to solve this for your kid.

Not quite as weird as you're complete lack of reading comprehension.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't want to be that parent, but my rising 2nd grader worked on problems like this over the summer. They were in a puzzle/logic book. This can't be 6thg grade math, c'mon US Math standards can't be this low.

And my 6yo can do this easily in his head but can't read or throw a ball well or do many other things that other 6yos have talent in. And other people's 4yos taught themselves to read and still others can throw so well they can pitch to a batter. All our kids have strengths and weaknesses, no need to look for an opportunity to brag about your kids strengths when it has nothing to do with the question ask.

She is above average, she is no math genius. This is not an algebra problem, this is a simple logic problem that can be drawn out. They covered fractions in first grade, so she knows what a half is. It blows my mind that this is not being covered until 6th grade, the average kid can absolutely do this work earlier.

You don’t have to be a math genius to solve this problem, you just have to have a certain type of brain for visualizing the world. Some kids have it and can do this problem about as early as they can read it. Kids who need to be taught this kind of thing in a structured way because they can’t visualize/mentally understand the problem intuitively have to learn a bunch of other things too/first. Same goes for learning to pitch and critiquing a poem and playing a tune on the piano. The range different kids can pick these skills up is widely variable but most of them can do all of the above by middle school if they receive consistent support and instruction. You’re being ingenuous here.

Maybe i am being ingenious, i'm not an educator, but US kids rank 38th worldwide in Math proficiency. Clearly this stuff is being covered earlier and more sucessfully in dozens of countries.

You might be good at math, but you're still bad at logic. There is nothing about the US' ranking that indicates it teaches topics later than other countries do. And teaching things early is not necessarily correlated with teaching them well. For example, many countries with higher language arts performance than the US teach reading later than the US does (see Finland).

ps: ingenious does not mean what you seem to think it does.

My logic/instinct seems to be right on. The scores represent level of achievement in terms
of complexity. All the top scoring countries, including our neighbors up north in Canada, introduce concepts much earlier than US. They don’t teach in a rigid, formulaic way, they will introduce this in third grade and teach kids how to draw this out. They teach algebraic, geometry and statistical concepts in 3rd grade in integrated math.

You are describing Common Core.

Common Core does not specify the methods to teach, but Read Draw Write is very common (if not "standard") in US. What you are saying "Canada does" is exactly what the "anti-Common Core / pro Traditional Math" gang says makes kids stupid in the US.

Kids in Finland are introduced to statistics in 5th grade. German kids are doing quadratic equations in 7th grade. In Singapore this problem is introduced in 3rd grade.

Common core is merely a set of standards, the standards are below those of other countries.

Finland only ever did really well on the PISA test suite, and their scores have been falling since 2006, and that still hasn't stopped anyone from proclaiming them the education model that all should emulate.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't want to be that parent, but my rising 2nd grader worked on problems like this over the summer. They were in a puzzle/logic book. This can't be 6thg grade math, c'mon US Math standards can't be this low.

And my 6yo can do this easily in his head but can't read or throw a ball well or do many other things that other 6yos have talent in. And other people's 4yos taught themselves to read and still others can throw so well they can pitch to a batter. All our kids have strengths and weaknesses, no need to look for an opportunity to brag about your kids strengths when it has nothing to do with the question ask.

She is above average, she is no math genius. This is not an algebra problem, this is a simple logic problem that can be drawn out. They covered fractions in first grade, so she knows what a half is. It blows my mind that this is not being covered until 6th grade, the average kid can absolutely do this work earlier.

You don’t have to be a math genius to solve this problem, you just have to have a certain type of brain for visualizing the world. Some kids have it and can do this problem about as early as they can read it. Kids who need to be taught this kind of thing in a structured way because they can’t visualize/mentally understand the problem intuitively have to learn a bunch of other things too/first. Same goes for learning to pitch and critiquing a poem and playing a tune on the piano. The range different kids can pick these skills up is widely variable but most of them can do all of the above by middle school if they receive consistent support and instruction. You’re being ingenuous here.

Maybe i am being ingenious, i'm not an educator, but US kids rank 38th worldwide in Math proficiency. Clearly this stuff is being covered earlier and more sucessfully in dozens of countries.

You might be good at math, but you're still bad at logic. There is nothing about the US' ranking that indicates it teaches topics later than other countries do. And teaching things early is not necessarily correlated with teaching them well. For example, many countries with higher language arts performance than the US teach reading later than the US does (see Finland).

ps: ingenious does not mean what you seem to think it does.

My logic/instinct seems to be right on. The scores represent level of achievement in terms
of complexity. All the top scoring countries, including our neighbors up north in Canada, introduce concepts much earlier than US. They don’t teach in a rigid, formulaic way, they will introduce this in third grade and teach kids how to draw this out. They teach algebraic, geometry and statistical concepts in 3rd grade in integrated math.

You are describing Common Core.

Common Core does not specify the methods to teach, but Read Draw Write is very common (if not "standard") in US. What you are saying "Canada does" is exactly what the "anti-Common Core / pro Traditional Math" gang says makes kids stupid in the US.

Kids in Finland are introduced to statistics in 5th grade. German kids are doing quadratic equations in 7th grade. In Singapore this problem is introduced in 3rd grade.

Common core is merely a set of standards, the standards are below those of other countries.

Finland only ever did really well on the PISA test suite, and their scores have been falling since 2006, and that still hasn't stopped anyone from proclaiming them the education model that all should emulate.

Graph of Finnish PISA scores:

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Anonymous wrote:I don't want to be that parent, but my rising 2nd grader worked on problems like this over the summer. They were in a puzzle/logic book. This can't be 6thg grade math, c'mon US Math standards can't be this low.

And my 6yo can do this easily in his head but can't read or throw a ball well or do many other things that other 6yos have talent in. And other people's 4yos taught themselves to read and still others can throw so well they can pitch to a batter. All our kids have strengths and weaknesses, no need to look for an opportunity to brag about your kids strengths when it has nothing to do with the question ask.

She is above average, she is no math genius. This is not an algebra problem, this is a simple logic problem that can be drawn out. They covered fractions in first grade, so she knows what a half is. It blows my mind that this is not being covered until 6th grade, the average kid can absolutely do this work earlier.

You don’t have to be a math genius to solve this problem, you just have to have a certain type of brain for visualizing the world. Some kids have it and can do this problem about as early as they can read it. Kids who need to be taught this kind of thing in a structured way because they can’t visualize/mentally understand the problem intuitively have to learn a bunch of other things too/first. Same goes for learning to pitch and critiquing a poem and playing a tune on the piano. The range different kids can pick these skills up is widely variable but most of them can do all of the above by middle school if they receive consistent support and instruction. You’re being ingenuous here.

Maybe i am being ingenious, i'm not an educator, but US kids rank 38th worldwide in Math proficiency. Clearly this stuff is being covered earlier and more sucessfully in dozens of countries.

You might be good at math, but you're still bad at logic. There is nothing about the US' ranking that indicates it teaches topics later than other countries do. And teaching things early is not necessarily correlated with teaching them well. For example, many countries with higher language arts performance than the US teach reading later than the US does (see Finland).

ps: ingenious does not mean what you seem to think it does.

My logic/instinct seems to be right on. The scores represent level of achievement in terms
of complexity. All the top scoring countries, including our neighbors up north in Canada, introduce concepts much earlier than US. They don’t teach in a rigid, formulaic way, they will introduce this in third grade and teach kids how to draw this out. They teach algebraic, geometry and statistical concepts in 3rd grade in integrated math.

You are describing Common Core.

Common Core does not specify the methods to teach, but Read Draw Write is very common (if not "standard") in US. What you are saying "Canada does" is exactly what the "anti-Common Core / pro Traditional Math" gang says makes kids stupid in the US.

Kids in Finland are introduced to statistics in 5th grade. German kids are doing quadratic equations in 7th grade. In Singapore this problem is introduced in 3rd grade.

Common core is merely a set of standards, the standards are below those of other countries.

Finland only ever did really well on the PISA test suite, and their scores have been falling since 2006, and that still hasn't stopped anyone from proclaiming them the education model that all should emulate.

Graph of Finnish PISA scores:

I saw this recently

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My kids are in private and have definitely done this kind of problem in 2nd and 3rd grade. They have done harder ones in the mathe exercise book this summer before starting 4th grade.

They are in a very good (well known) private, but not ultime known for their academic rigor or anything.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't want to be that parent, but my rising 2nd grader worked on problems like this over the summer. They were in a puzzle/logic book. This can't be 6thg grade math, c'mon US Math standards can't be this low.

And my 6yo can do this easily in his head but can't read or throw a ball well or do many other things that other 6yos have talent in. And other people's 4yos taught themselves to read and still others can throw so well they can pitch to a batter. All our kids have strengths and weaknesses, no need to look for an opportunity to brag about your kids strengths when it has nothing to do with the question ask.

She is above average, she is no math genius. This is not an algebra problem, this is a simple logic problem that can be drawn out. They covered fractions in first grade, so she knows what a half is. It blows my mind that this is not being covered until 6th grade, the average kid can absolutely do this work earlier.

You don’t have to be a math genius to solve this problem, you just have to have a certain type of brain for visualizing the world. Some kids have it and can do this problem about as early as they can read it. Kids who need to be taught this kind of thing in a structured way because they can’t visualize/mentally understand the problem intuitively have to learn a bunch of other things too/first. Same goes for learning to pitch and critiquing a poem and playing a tune on the piano. The range different kids can pick these skills up is widely variable but most of them can do all of the above by middle school if they receive consistent support and instruction. You’re being ingenuous here.

Maybe i am being ingenious, i'm not an educator, but US kids rank 38th worldwide in Math proficiency. Clearly this stuff is being covered earlier and more sucessfully in dozens of countries.

You might be good at math, but you're still bad at logic. There is nothing about the US' ranking that indicates it teaches topics later than other countries do. And teaching things early is not necessarily correlated with teaching them well. For example, many countries with higher language arts performance than the US teach reading later than the US does (see Finland).

ps: ingenious does not mean what you seem to think it does.

My logic/instinct seems to be right on. The scores represent level of achievement in terms
of complexity. All the top scoring countries, including our neighbors up north in Canada, introduce concepts much earlier than US. They don’t teach in a rigid, formulaic way, they will introduce this in third grade and teach kids how to draw this out. They teach algebraic, geometry and statistical concepts in 3rd grade in integrated math.

You are describing Common Core.

Common Core does not specify the methods to teach, but Read Draw Write is very common (if not "standard") in US. What you are saying "Canada does" is exactly what the "anti-Common Core / pro Traditional Math" gang says makes kids stupid in the US.

Kids in Finland are introduced to statistics in 5th grade. German kids are doing quadratic equations in 7th grade. In Singapore this problem is introduced in 3rd grade.

Common core is merely a set of standards, the standards are below those of other countries.

I don't believe you.

Germany, 8th grade , college prep track
(Realschule, only for upper 40% or students)

"Apply knowledge of rational numbers and simple linear equations"

https://timssandpirls.bc.edu/timss2015/encyclopedia/countries/germany/the-mathematics-curriculum-in-primary-and-lower-secondary-grades/

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Anonymous wrote:I don't want to be that parent, but my rising 2nd grader worked on problems like this over the summer. They were in a puzzle/logic book. This can't be 6thg grade math, c'mon US Math standards can't be this low.

And my 6yo can do this easily in his head but can't read or throw a ball well or do many other things that other 6yos have talent in. And other people's 4yos taught themselves to read and still others can throw so well they can pitch to a batter. All our kids have strengths and weaknesses, no need to look for an opportunity to brag about your kids strengths when it has nothing to do with the question ask.

She is above average, she is no math genius. This is not an algebra problem, this is a simple logic problem that can be drawn out. They covered fractions in first grade, so she knows what a half is. It blows my mind that this is not being covered until 6th grade, the average kid can absolutely do this work earlier.

You don’t have to be a math genius to solve this problem, you just have to have a certain type of brain for visualizing the world. Some kids have it and can do this problem about as early as they can read it. Kids who need to be taught this kind of thing in a structured way because they can’t visualize/mentally understand the problem intuitively have to learn a bunch of other things too/first. Same goes for learning to pitch and critiquing a poem and playing a tune on the piano. The range different kids can pick these skills up is widely variable but most of them can do all of the above by middle school if they receive consistent support and instruction. You’re being ingenuous here.

Maybe i am being ingenious, i'm not an educator, but US kids rank 38th worldwide in Math proficiency. Clearly this stuff is being covered earlier and more sucessfully in dozens of countries.

You might be good at math, but you're still bad at logic. There is nothing about the US' ranking that indicates it teaches topics later than other countries do. And teaching things early is not necessarily correlated with teaching them well. For example, many countries with higher language arts performance than the US teach reading later than the US does (see Finland).

ps: ingenious does not mean what you seem to think it does.

My logic/instinct seems to be right on. The scores represent level of achievement in terms
of complexity. All the top scoring countries, including our neighbors up north in Canada, introduce concepts much earlier than US. They don’t teach in a rigid, formulaic way, they will introduce this in third grade and teach kids how to draw this out. They teach algebraic, geometry and statistical concepts in 3rd grade in integrated math.

You are describing Common Core.

Common Core does not specify the methods to teach, but Read Draw Write is very common (if not "standard") in US. What you are saying "Canada does" is exactly what the "anti-Common Core / pro Traditional Math" gang says makes kids stupid in the US.

Kids in Finland are introduced to statistics in 5th grade. German kids are doing quadratic equations in 7th grade. In Singapore this problem is introduced in 3rd grade.

Common core is merely a set of standards, the standards are below those of other countries.

Okay? I don’t remember elementary school well enough to know about OP’s problem but I know I did quadratic equations in an ordinary US middle school. So I’m not sure what your point is? I did a year in the UK in high school doing A-level further maths: they knew more statistics than me but no calculus or pre calculus, both of which were offered at my American high school and which almost all students who liked math took. Difference countries prioritize different skills and different times to teach specific lessons.

The point is "America Bad" and their feelings don't care about facts. All these "America Bad" posters compare the college prep students in foreign countries to the minimum standards for non-cognitively-impaired students in USA. .

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Only public school children in America have to take these state-mandated competency tests. What private schooled and homeschooled children can do mathematically is more of a mystery and can range from being a few grade levels ahead of public schooled children, to a few grades behind. Other countries also have only a subset of their school-aged children tested for competency. Take it all with a grain of salt.