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Anonymous wrote:people here are so foul. i am not in favor of option schools but if there are unsafe bus stops it shouldn’t matter where kids go. APS has so many issues at this point let’s just add this to the list. please stop making jabs at families who entered a lottery and got in and put that time and energy to writing APS about stopping lottery schools. or any of the other issues we all have with APS.

What OP is describing isn't an unsafe bus stop. It is at an elementary school that many other children, OP's neighbors in fact, walk to every day. But that's not good enough for OP. OP wants to go to an option school that, by definition, needs to serve the whole county geography, and thinks they also deserve door to door bus service. Enough already.

OP is not complaining that the stop is unsafe. It's the route the kids have to walk to to get to the stop that is unsafe. If APS considers major roads in determining walk zones for neighborhood schools, they should be giving the same consideration to hub stops.

Ehhh...it seems that OP did directly say that the hub is unsafe, she asked why Glebe admin, parents, teachers weren't worried about Glebe parents mingling with option children or whatever it is she's worried about? What I don't understand is that OP's kids would have otherwise attended Glebe and would have had to cross Glebe Rd and most 5th graders are crossing alone to/from school. It seems to me she's just anti her own neighborhood, which tracks with an option school for many. I hope my kid gives her cooties.

Can you read? OP said that APS is providing a crossing guard for glebe students need one but not when the option school students need one.

OP is ignorant. They don’t provide a crossing guard.

Since that is the DRIVEWAY for the school, it’s just a teacher standing at the front of the school, they always do that at every school we’ve ever attended.

When her kids are walking, it’s not Glebe start time so no teacher.

Glebe parent here. Yes, there is always a crossing guard for Glebe Rd for Glebe students starting around 8:30 AM. It's not a teacher.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:people here are so foul. i am not in favor of option schools but if there are unsafe bus stops it shouldn’t matter where kids go. APS has so many issues at this point let’s just add this to the list. please stop making jabs at families who entered a lottery and got in and put that time and energy to writing APS about stopping lottery schools. or any of the other issues we all have with APS.

What OP is describing isn't an unsafe bus stop. It is at an elementary school that many other children, OP's neighbors in fact, walk to every day. But that's not good enough for OP. OP wants to go to an option school that, by definition, needs to serve the whole county geography, and thinks they also deserve door to door bus service. Enough already.

OP is not complaining that the stop is unsafe. It's the route the kids have to walk to to get to the stop that is unsafe. If APS considers major roads in determining walk zones for neighborhood schools, they should be giving the same consideration to hub stops.

Ehhh...it seems that OP did directly say that the hub is unsafe, she asked why Glebe admin, parents, teachers weren't worried about Glebe parents mingling with option children or whatever it is she's worried about? What I don't understand is that OP's kids would have otherwise attended Glebe and would have had to cross Glebe Rd and most 5th graders are crossing alone to/from school. It seems to me she's just anti her own neighborhood, which tracks with an option school for many. I hope my kid gives her cooties.

Can you read? OP said that APS is providing a crossing guard for glebe students need one but not when the option school students need one.

Yeah, good try OP. Here's what you originally wrote, "To boot, the parents mill around Glebe ES in the afternoon waiting for our own children's bus to arrive; often while Glebe kindergarten kids are having class outside on nice days. How is this not a huge safety and security concern for Glebe admins, teachers and parents?"

As a Glebe parent, no I have no safety concerns. But you do come across as really entitled to have someone else solve your self inflicted problem. Either teach your 5th grader to cross the street at Glebe without the crossing guard, while also watching their siblings, or walk your children. Or, wild thought here, make some adult friends who can take turns walking kids to the hub. Plenty of Glebe kids cross without the crossing guard because they get to school before she arrives or after she leaves, because they are in patrol, run clubs, enrichment and so on. Is crossing at Glebe ideal or reliably safe, nope, but also it seems to be both (a) your neighborhood school and thus the route your kids would take anyhow; and (b) your choice to attend an option. Lobby for a change in hubs stops to APS but don't pretend that there aren't decisions you can personally make to help your own kids.

And considering how hard it is to find and keep crossing guards, no I don't think we should be paying for a crossing guard to help a few kids across a busy road in their own neighborhood simply because their parents chose to not use the neighborhood school. We all have to make the same decisions that you are making, we just take ownership of them. Either utilize the option system and advocate for a change to hubs or grow up and take responsibility for your choice to utilize an option and its impact on your kid's safety. In short, pound sand.

Can I read...ha...yes, yes I can.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:people here are so foul. i am not in favor of option schools but if there are unsafe bus stops it shouldn’t matter where kids go. APS has so many issues at this point let’s just add this to the list. please stop making jabs at families who entered a lottery and got in and put that time and energy to writing APS about stopping lottery schools. or any of the other issues we all have with APS.

What OP is describing isn't an unsafe bus stop. It is at an elementary school that many other children, OP's neighbors in fact, walk to every day. But that's not good enough for OP. OP wants to go to an option school that, by definition, needs to serve the whole county geography, and thinks they also deserve door to door bus service. Enough already.

OP is not complaining that the stop is unsafe. It's the route the kids have to walk to to get to the stop that is unsafe. If APS considers major roads in determining walk zones for neighborhood schools, they should be giving the same consideration to hub stops.

Ehhh...it seems that OP did directly say that the hub is unsafe, she asked why Glebe admin, parents, teachers weren't worried about Glebe parents mingling with option children or whatever it is she's worried about? What I don't understand is that OP's kids would have otherwise attended Glebe and would have had to cross Glebe Rd and most 5th graders are crossing alone to/from school. It seems to me she's just anti her own neighborhood, which tracks with an option school for many. I hope my kid gives her cooties.

Can you read? OP said that APS is providing a crossing guard for glebe students need one but not when the option school students need one.

OP is ignorant. They don’t provide a crossing guard.

Since that is the DRIVEWAY for the school, it’s just a teacher standing at the front of the school, they always do that at every school we’ve ever attended.

When her kids are walking, it’s not Glebe start time so no teacher.

Glebe parent here. Yes, there is always a crossing guard for Glebe Rd for Glebe students starting around 8:30 AM. It's not a teacher.

How do you know? They all wear orange vests. Do you know ALL the teachers at Glebe? It’s not a crossing guard. It’s the entrance teacher.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Eh, I think people aren't realizing how poorly thought out the hub stops are. I'm fine with the Glebe one (and have used it) but we were originally assigned to one that was ridiculous and our MS hub stop is awful.

Before hub stops there were 6-8 kids who all caught a bus to an option school at our corner. Now with hub stops there are often only 1-2 kids getting on at the hub (which should cover those 6-8 kids plus a dozen more), with nearly all the kids just being driven. If the hub stops were near the students, e.g., in the middle of a walkable neighborhood instead of in arbitrary public locations on busy roads, they could be a lot easier for students to access.

In short, the idea of hub stops is fine, but it would be great if someone put more thought into where they should be located.

I don't have any knowledge or experience with specific hub stops; but objectively speaking, this is rational thinking. Hub stops aren't effective if (1) people don't use them or (2) you have to drive to get to one.

Perhaps more hub locations rather than minimal hub stops?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:people here are so foul. i am not in favor of option schools but if there are unsafe bus stops it shouldn’t matter where kids go. APS has so many issues at this point let’s just add this to the list. please stop making jabs at families who entered a lottery and got in and put that time and energy to writing APS about stopping lottery schools. or any of the other issues we all have with APS.

What OP is describing isn't an unsafe bus stop. It is at an elementary school that many other children, OP's neighbors in fact, walk to every day. But that's not good enough for OP. OP wants to go to an option school that, by definition, needs to serve the whole county geography, and thinks they also deserve door to door bus service. Enough already.

OP is not complaining that the stop is unsafe. It's the route the kids have to walk to to get to the stop that is unsafe. If APS considers major roads in determining walk zones for neighborhood schools, they should be giving the same consideration to hub stops.

Ehhh...it seems that OP did directly say that the hub is unsafe, she asked why Glebe admin, parents, teachers weren't worried about Glebe parents mingling with option children or whatever it is she's worried about? What I don't understand is that OP's kids would have otherwise attended Glebe and would have had to cross Glebe Rd and most 5th graders are crossing alone to/from school. It seems to me she's just anti her own neighborhood, which tracks with an option school for many. I hope my kid gives her cooties.

Can you read? OP said that APS is providing a crossing guard for glebe students need one but not when the option school students need one.

OP is ignorant. They don’t provide a crossing guard.

Since that is the DRIVEWAY for the school, it’s just a teacher standing at the front of the school, they always do that at every school we’ve ever attended.

When her kids are walking, it’s not Glebe start time so no teacher.

Glebe parent here. Yes, there is always a crossing guard for Glebe Rd for Glebe students starting around 8:30 AM. It's not a teacher.

How do you know? They all wear orange vests. Do you know ALL the teachers at Glebe? It’s not a crossing guard. It’s the entrance teacher.

Um, my kids are friendly with her and bring her presents? They talk to her daily as they wait to cross? There was also an email from Principal Borg identifying her as the crossing guard recently, if personal knowledge isn't enough.

She's also not helping kids across the driveway, as you state, but across Glebe Rd.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:people here are so foul. i am not in favor of option schools but if there are unsafe bus stops it shouldn’t matter where kids go. APS has so many issues at this point let’s just add this to the list. please stop making jabs at families who entered a lottery and got in and put that time and energy to writing APS about stopping lottery schools. or any of the other issues we all have with APS.

What OP is describing isn't an unsafe bus stop. It is at an elementary school that many other children, OP's neighbors in fact, walk to every day. But that's not good enough for OP. OP wants to go to an option school that, by definition, needs to serve the whole county geography, and thinks they also deserve door to door bus service. Enough already.

OP is not complaining that the stop is unsafe. It's the route the kids have to walk to to get to the stop that is unsafe. If APS considers major roads in determining walk zones for neighborhood schools, they should be giving the same consideration to hub stops.

Ehhh...it seems that OP did directly say that the hub is unsafe, she asked why Glebe admin, parents, teachers weren't worried about Glebe parents mingling with option children or whatever it is she's worried about? What I don't understand is that OP's kids would have otherwise attended Glebe and would have had to cross Glebe Rd and most 5th graders are crossing alone to/from school. It seems to me she's just anti her own neighborhood, which tracks with an option school for many. I hope my kid gives her cooties.

Can you read? OP said that APS is providing a crossing guard for glebe students need one but not when the option school students need one.

Yeah, good try OP. Here's what you originally wrote, "To boot, the parents mill around Glebe ES in the afternoon waiting for our own children's bus to arrive; often while Glebe kindergarten kids are having class outside on nice days. How is this not a huge safety and security concern for Glebe admins, teachers and parents?"

As a Glebe parent, no I have no safety concerns. But you do come across as really entitled to have someone else solve your self inflicted problem. Either teach your 5th grader to cross the street at Glebe without the crossing guard, while also watching their siblings, or walk your children. Or, wild thought here, make some adult friends who can take turns walking kids to the hub. Plenty of Glebe kids cross without the crossing guard because they get to school before she arrives or after she leaves, because they are in patrol, run clubs, enrichment and so on. Is crossing at Glebe ideal or reliably safe, nope, but also it seems to be both (a) your neighborhood school and thus the route your kids would take anyhow; and (b) your choice to attend an option. Lobby for a change in hubs stops to APS but don't pretend that there aren't decisions you can personally make to help your own kids.

And considering how hard it is to find and keep crossing guards, no I don't think we should be paying for a crossing guard to help a few kids across a busy road in their own neighborhood simply because their parents chose to not use the neighborhood school. We all have to make the same decisions that you are making, we just take ownership of them. Either utilize the option system and advocate for a change to hubs or grow up and take responsibility for your choice to utilize an option and its impact on your kid's safety. In short, pound sand.

Can I read...ha...yes, yes I can.

I’m not OP though. You are so hostile to parents of option schools. Quite pathetic really.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:people here are so foul. i am not in favor of option schools but if there are unsafe bus stops it shouldn’t matter where kids go. APS has so many issues at this point let’s just add this to the list. please stop making jabs at families who entered a lottery and got in and put that time and energy to writing APS about stopping lottery schools. or any of the other issues we all have with APS.

What OP is describing isn't an unsafe bus stop. It is at an elementary school that many other children, OP's neighbors in fact, walk to every day. But that's not good enough for OP. OP wants to go to an option school that, by definition, needs to serve the whole county geography, and thinks they also deserve door to door bus service. Enough already.

OP is not complaining that the stop is unsafe. It's the route the kids have to walk to to get to the stop that is unsafe. If APS considers major roads in determining walk zones for neighborhood schools, they should be giving the same consideration to hub stops.

Ehhh...it seems that OP did directly say that the hub is unsafe, she asked why Glebe admin, parents, teachers weren't worried about Glebe parents mingling with option children or whatever it is she's worried about? What I don't understand is that OP's kids would have otherwise attended Glebe and would have had to cross Glebe Rd and most 5th graders are crossing alone to/from school. It seems to me she's just anti her own neighborhood, which tracks with an option school for many. I hope my kid gives her cooties.

Can you read? OP said that APS is providing a crossing guard for glebe students need one but not when the option school students need one.

Yeah, good try OP. Here's what you originally wrote, "To boot, the parents mill around Glebe ES in the afternoon waiting for our own children's bus to arrive; often while Glebe kindergarten kids are having class outside on nice days. How is this not a huge safety and security concern for Glebe admins, teachers and parents?"

As a Glebe parent, no I have no safety concerns. But you do come across as really entitled to have someone else solve your self inflicted problem. Either teach your 5th grader to cross the street at Glebe without the crossing guard, while also watching their siblings, or walk your children. Or, wild thought here, make some adult friends who can take turns walking kids to the hub. Plenty of Glebe kids cross without the crossing guard because they get to school before she arrives or after she leaves, because they are in patrol, run clubs, enrichment and so on. Is crossing at Glebe ideal or reliably safe, nope, but also it seems to be both (a) your neighborhood school and thus the route your kids would take anyhow; and (b) your choice to attend an option. Lobby for a change in hubs stops to APS but don't pretend that there aren't decisions you can personally make to help your own kids.

And considering how hard it is to find and keep crossing guards, no I don't think we should be paying for a crossing guard to help a few kids across a busy road in their own neighborhood simply because their parents chose to not use the neighborhood school. We all have to make the same decisions that you are making, we just take ownership of them. Either utilize the option system and advocate for a change to hubs or grow up and take responsibility for your choice to utilize an option and its impact on your kid's safety. In short, pound sand.

Can I read...ha...yes, yes I can.

I’m not OP though. You are so hostile to parents of option schools. Quite pathetic really.

Yes, I'm hostile to entitled parents who do not take responsibility for their own choices. Correct.

[Anonymous]

New poster. Haven't read all of the comments, but, have noted the general hostility.

We are an option school family. Our hub stop requires crossing S Carlin Springs Road. Thankfully either my spouse or myself are able to escort or drive our children to the stop everyday, but, there is no way I'd allow our kindergartener and 4th grader to attempt that crossing on their own.

Now my own safety concerns aside, S Carlin Springs Road is the main artery for Kenmore, Campbell, and accessing Carlin Springs Elementary School. Every day there are countless kids trying to navigate that wildly unsafe stretch of road--which has no buffer between the street and sidewalk in many long stretches, and it boggles my mind that the county does not even at least put in a crossing guard at one of the key interchanges. For a county and school system that will die on the hill of equity, they apparently are only willing to do in certain instances which most suit them. I have raised my concerns to the County Board and School Board, and know that there are even groups advocating for greater pedestrian safety, and yet, here we are...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Send your kid to a neighborhood school or STFU

The school board should say they’re not providing transportation to option schools or make sure safe transportation is provided for all students. If half the kids at an option school have safe and convenient bus stops, and the other half don’t, that starts to feel like unequal access.

We should just be like fairfax— no transportation provided for option schools. We copy fairfax for everything else already!
Either that or make it a you pay for the bus for an option school (free if you are f/rl). The hub stop are trying to make it more efficient and reduce the number of buses. There are other ways of achieving the same goal.

Fairfax actually provides transportation from the home school to AP centers or other “option” schools. That would work fine. The current hubs are not well-located.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:people here are so foul. i am not in favor of option schools but if there are unsafe bus stops it shouldn’t matter where kids go. APS has so many issues at this point let’s just add this to the list. please stop making jabs at families who entered a lottery and got in and put that time and energy to writing APS about stopping lottery schools. or any of the other issues we all have with APS.

What OP is describing isn't an unsafe bus stop. It is at an elementary school that many other children, OP's neighbors in fact, walk to every day. But that's not good enough for OP. OP wants to go to an option school that, by definition, needs to serve the whole county geography, and thinks they also deserve door to door bus service. Enough already.

OP is not complaining that the stop is unsafe. It's the route the kids have to walk to to get to the stop that is unsafe. If APS considers major roads in determining walk zones for neighborhood schools, they should be giving the same consideration to hub stops.

Ehhh...it seems that OP did directly say that the hub is unsafe, she asked why Glebe admin, parents, teachers weren't worried about Glebe parents mingling with option children or whatever it is she's worried about? What I don't understand is that OP's kids would have otherwise attended Glebe and would have had to cross Glebe Rd and most 5th graders are crossing alone to/from school. It seems to me she's just anti her own neighborhood, which tracks with an option school for many. I hope my kid gives her cooties.

Can you read? OP said that APS is providing a crossing guard for glebe students need one but not when the option school students need one.

Yeah, good try OP. Here's what you originally wrote, "To boot, the parents mill around Glebe ES in the afternoon waiting for our own children's bus to arrive; often while Glebe kindergarten kids are having class outside on nice days. How is this not a huge safety and security concern for Glebe admins, teachers and parents?"

As a Glebe parent, no I have no safety concerns. But you do come across as really entitled to have someone else solve your self inflicted problem. Either teach your 5th grader to cross the street at Glebe without the crossing guard, while also watching their siblings, or walk your children. Or, wild thought here, make some adult friends who can take turns walking kids to the hub. Plenty of Glebe kids cross without the crossing guard because they get to school before she arrives or after she leaves, because they are in patrol, run clubs, enrichment and so on. Is crossing at Glebe ideal or reliably safe, nope, but also it seems to be both (a) your neighborhood school and thus the route your kids would take anyhow; and (b) your choice to attend an option. Lobby for a change in hubs stops to APS but don't pretend that there aren't decisions you can personally make to help your own kids.

And considering how hard it is to find and keep crossing guards, no I don't think we should be paying for a crossing guard to help a few kids across a busy road in their own neighborhood simply because their parents chose to not use the neighborhood school. We all have to make the same decisions that you are making, we just take ownership of them. Either utilize the option system and advocate for a change to hubs or grow up and take responsibility for your choice to utilize an option and its impact on your kid's safety. In short, pound sand.

Can I read...ha...yes, yes I can.

I’m not OP though. You are so hostile to parents of option schools. Quite pathetic really.

Yes, I'm hostile to entitled parents who do not take responsibility for their own choices. Correct.

There is no reason to be hostile to the idea that the hub stops could be better located. They are poorly thought out. What does that have to do with parents taking responsibility? There's no reason to think that parents are responsible for the placement of the current hub stops.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:people here are so foul. i am not in favor of option schools but if there are unsafe bus stops it shouldn’t matter where kids go. APS has so many issues at this point let’s just add this to the list. please stop making jabs at families who entered a lottery and got in and put that time and energy to writing APS about stopping lottery schools. or any of the other issues we all have with APS.

What OP is describing isn't an unsafe bus stop. It is at an elementary school that many other children, OP's neighbors in fact, walk to every day. But that's not good enough for OP. OP wants to go to an option school that, by definition, needs to serve the whole county geography, and thinks they also deserve door to door bus service. Enough already.

OP is not complaining that the stop is unsafe. It's the route the kids have to walk to to get to the stop that is unsafe. If APS considers major roads in determining walk zones for neighborhood schools, they should be giving the same consideration to hub stops.

Ehhh...it seems that OP did directly say that the hub is unsafe, she asked why Glebe admin, parents, teachers weren't worried about Glebe parents mingling with option children or whatever it is she's worried about? What I don't understand is that OP's kids would have otherwise attended Glebe and would have had to cross Glebe Rd and most 5th graders are crossing alone to/from school. It seems to me she's just anti her own neighborhood, which tracks with an option school for many. I hope my kid gives her cooties.

Can you read? OP said that APS is providing a crossing guard for glebe students need one but not when the option school students need one.

Yeah, good try OP. Here's what you originally wrote, "To boot, the parents mill around Glebe ES in the afternoon waiting for our own children's bus to arrive; often while Glebe kindergarten kids are having class outside on nice days. How is this not a huge safety and security concern for Glebe admins, teachers and parents?"

As a Glebe parent, no I have no safety concerns. But you do come across as really entitled to have someone else solve your self inflicted problem. Either teach your 5th grader to cross the street at Glebe without the crossing guard, while also watching their siblings, or walk your children. Or, wild thought here, make some adult friends who can take turns walking kids to the hub. Plenty of Glebe kids cross without the crossing guard because they get to school before she arrives or after she leaves, because they are in patrol, run clubs, enrichment and so on. Is crossing at Glebe ideal or reliably safe, nope, but also it seems to be both (a) your neighborhood school and thus the route your kids would take anyhow; and (b) your choice to attend an option. Lobby for a change in hubs stops to APS but don't pretend that there aren't decisions you can personally make to help your own kids.

And considering how hard it is to find and keep crossing guards, no I don't think we should be paying for a crossing guard to help a few kids across a busy road in their own neighborhood simply because their parents chose to not use the neighborhood school. We all have to make the same decisions that you are making, we just take ownership of them. Either utilize the option system and advocate for a change to hubs or grow up and take responsibility for your choice to utilize an option and its impact on your kid's safety. In short, pound sand.

Can I read...ha...yes, yes I can.

I’m not OP though. You are so hostile to parents of option schools. Quite pathetic really.

Yes, I'm hostile to entitled parents who do not take responsibility for their own choices. Correct.

There is no reason to be hostile to the idea that the hub stops could be better located. They are poorly thought out. What does that have to do with parents taking responsibility? There's no reason to think that parents are responsible for the placement of the current hub stops.

Not OP but PP that hostile PP is responding to. My sense is that hostile PP hates option school families and believes that option school families should not advocate for safer stops because they willingly chose to send their kids to an option school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:people here are so foul. i am not in favor of option schools but if there are unsafe bus stops it shouldn’t matter where kids go. APS has so many issues at this point let’s just add this to the list. please stop making jabs at families who entered a lottery and got in and put that time and energy to writing APS about stopping lottery schools. or any of the other issues we all have with APS.

What OP is describing isn't an unsafe bus stop. It is at an elementary school that many other children, OP's neighbors in fact, walk to every day. But that's not good enough for OP. OP wants to go to an option school that, by definition, needs to serve the whole county geography, and thinks they also deserve door to door bus service. Enough already.

OP is not complaining that the stop is unsafe. It's the route the kids have to walk to to get to the stop that is unsafe. If APS considers major roads in determining walk zones for neighborhood schools, they should be giving the same consideration to hub stops.

Ehhh...it seems that OP did directly say that the hub is unsafe, she asked why Glebe admin, parents, teachers weren't worried about Glebe parents mingling with option children or whatever it is she's worried about? What I don't understand is that OP's kids would have otherwise attended Glebe and would have had to cross Glebe Rd and most 5th graders are crossing alone to/from school. It seems to me she's just anti her own neighborhood, which tracks with an option school for many. I hope my kid gives her cooties.

Can you read? OP said that APS is providing a crossing guard for glebe students need one but not when the option school students need one.

Yeah, good try OP. Here's what you originally wrote, "To boot, the parents mill around Glebe ES in the afternoon waiting for our own children's bus to arrive; often while Glebe kindergarten kids are having class outside on nice days. How is this not a huge safety and security concern for Glebe admins, teachers and parents?"

As a Glebe parent, no I have no safety concerns. But you do come across as really entitled to have someone else solve your self inflicted problem. Either teach your 5th grader to cross the street at Glebe without the crossing guard, while also watching their siblings, or walk your children. Or, wild thought here, make some adult friends who can take turns walking kids to the hub. Plenty of Glebe kids cross without the crossing guard because they get to school before she arrives or after she leaves, because they are in patrol, run clubs, enrichment and so on. Is crossing at Glebe ideal or reliably safe, nope, but also it seems to be both (a) your neighborhood school and thus the route your kids would take anyhow; and (b) your choice to attend an option. Lobby for a change in hubs stops to APS but don't pretend that there aren't decisions you can personally make to help your own kids.

And considering how hard it is to find and keep crossing guards, no I don't think we should be paying for a crossing guard to help a few kids across a busy road in their own neighborhood simply because their parents chose to not use the neighborhood school. We all have to make the same decisions that you are making, we just take ownership of them. Either utilize the option system and advocate for a change to hubs or grow up and take responsibility for your choice to utilize an option and its impact on your kid's safety. In short, pound sand.

Can I read...ha...yes, yes I can.

I’m not OP though. You are so hostile to parents of option schools. Quite pathetic really.

Yes, I'm hostile to entitled parents who do not take responsibility for their own choices. Correct.

There is no reason to be hostile to the idea that the hub stops could be better located. They are poorly thought out. What does that have to do with parents taking responsibility? There's no reason to think that parents are responsible for the placement of the current hub stops.

Not OP but PP that hostile PP is responding to. My sense is that hostile PP hates option school families and believes that option school families should not advocate for safer stops because they willingly chose to send their kids to an option school.

If there are street lights with walk signals how is that not "safe"? DP.

[Anonymous]

We couldn't get a crossing guard for our neighborhood school for YEARS. Get in line, option schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We couldn't get a crossing guard for our neighborhood school for YEARS. Get in line, option schools.

+1, they got rid of one of ours, and it was at an intersection without a traffic light vs. a major intersection on Glebe Rd.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:New poster. Haven't read all of the comments, but, have noted the general hostility.

We are an option school family. Our hub stop requires crossing S Carlin Springs Road. Thankfully either my spouse or myself are able to escort or drive our children to the stop everyday, but, there is no way I'd allow our kindergartener and 4th grader to attempt that crossing on their own.

Now my own safety concerns aside, S Carlin Springs Road is the main artery for Kenmore, Campbell, and accessing Carlin Springs Elementary School. Every day there are countless kids trying to navigate that wildly unsafe stretch of road--which has no buffer between the street and sidewalk in many long stretches, and it boggles my mind that the county does not even at least put in a crossing guard at one of the key interchanges. For a county and school system that will die on the hill of equity, they apparently are only willing to do in certain instances which most suit them. I have raised my concerns to the County Board and School Board, and know that there are even groups advocating for greater pedestrian safety, and yet, here we are...

Carlin Springs Rd near Kenmore is such a dangerous stretch of road for pedestrians and vehicular traffic. You could dispatch an entire fleet of crossing guards and it would still be unsafe. I agree that the county needs to take significant measures to fix that mess. I’ve had kids literally fall off the sidewalk in front of my vehicle as school is letting out (I stopped without incident, but it’s not something a crossing guard would have prevented).