Fairfax county pilot program to give 750 a month to low income families

[Anonymous]

Great. Fairfax is one its way to becoming MoCo 2.0.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Liberal here, I do not approve.

Give them food stamps. Health insurance.
Subsidize housing.
School Supplies. Clothes. Gas.
Education - skills, ESL, whatever is needed.

But not cash. I want to know exactly what my taxes are being used for.

With guaranteed income programs, you know exactly what your taxes are being used for: extra income for low-income families, to do what they believe will provide the most benefit for them.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/in-mississippi-a-long-running-guaranteed-income-program-is-helping-black-mothers

DP. A better plan would be to identify the gaps not covered by current programs and identify specific things that these low income families need the cash for and then supply those things rather than providing cash.

A lot of people are low-income because they are dysfunctional, can't manage budget, have misplaced priorities, addictions of various types whether booze/substances/gambling/etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Liberal here, I do not approve.

Give them food stamps. Health insurance.
Subsidize housing.
School Supplies. Clothes. Gas.
Education - skills, ESL, whatever is needed.

But not cash. I want to know exactly what my taxes are being used for.

With guaranteed income programs, you know exactly what your taxes are being used for: extra income for low-income families, to do what they believe will provide the most benefit for them.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/in-mississippi-a-long-running-guaranteed-income-program-is-helping-black-mothers

I understand and I read the article.

It also could be used for mani pedis, cigarettes and booze. Never mind anything illegal.

This is not what I want from a poverty relief program. If we want to keep our poverty relief programs, they need to be palatable to some majority of taxpayers. If even I can't get behind this, I can only imagine what conservative people think.

+1 I work in federal government procurement and there are so many hoops we have to jump through to make sure tax players dollars are used responsibly. We would never get away with just trusting people to use the money wisely. I'm closer to the left than right, and this sort of thing is frustrating. I think it's performative, actually, and does more harm than good in the long run because it makes so many people mad and distrustful of government programs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Great. Fairfax is one its way to becoming MoCo 2.0.

That is EXACTLY what I am afraid of.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Liberal here, I do not approve.

Give them food stamps. Health insurance.
Subsidize housing.
School Supplies. Clothes. Gas.
Education - skills, ESL, whatever is needed.

But not cash. I want to know exactly what my taxes are being used for.

With guaranteed income programs, you know exactly what your taxes are being used for: extra income for low-income families, to do what they believe will provide the most benefit for them.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/in-mississippi-a-long-running-guaranteed-income-program-is-helping-black-mothers

I understand and I read the article.

It also could be used for mani pedis, cigarettes and booze. Never mind anything illegal.

This is not what I want from a poverty relief program. If we want to keep our poverty relief programs, they need to be palatable to some majority of taxpayers. If even I can't get behind this, I can only imagine what conservative people think.

+1 I work in federal government procurement and there are so many hoops we have to jump through to make sure tax players dollars are used responsibly. We would never get away with just trusting people to use the money wisely. I'm closer to the left than right, and this sort of thing is frustrating. I think it's performative, actually, and does more harm than good in the long run because it makes so many people mad and distrustful of government programs.

Yes. I also fear it feeds into conservative rants about people on food stamps buying STEAK! Buying LOBSTER! OMG how dare they.

If we make sure the poor have basic needs met, most good people cannot object to those things. Food, health care, housing, clothing, clean water to drink (ahem). Most good people would agree they don't want to see little kids hungry, sick, homeless, etc. You can at least try to appeal to their sense of right and wrong. But you start talking about just giving their parents cash and you are inviting fury about how that cash is spent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Great. Fairfax is one its way to becoming MoCo 2.0.

ask MoCo how they ended up
getting several participants bumped off Medicaid because they now made too much. idiots

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What a dumb idea. Must be election time soon. Let’s buy all the votes we can.

It works. Every jurisdiction that has done it, has been a success. People end up working more and being more successful. The reason is that it takes just a little help to get someone out of poverty. What hurts poor people is that unexpected expense that pushes them back. This helps with that.

It may work for the few who get it. Extending it county wide would require the budget to grow by a third.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Love how DCUM brings so many retrograde Reaganites out of the woodwork.

Cash transfers to low-income households are one of the best ways we have to fight poverty and improve the lives of the most vulnerable, especially children. Turns out giving money to impoverished people relieves poverty. What a concept!

Here’s one recent study finding that cash transfers are associated with reduced mortality among women and kids: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-023-06116-2

Then, they can grow up and expect the taxpayers to fund their college education. And, maybe their house too.
Why work when the tax payers pay for everything you want or need?

I am so glad I moved out of Fairfax County.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Love how DCUM brings so many retrograde Reaganites out of the woodwork.

Cash transfers to low-income households are one of the best ways we have to fight poverty and improve the lives of the most vulnerable, especially children. Turns out giving money to impoverished people relieves poverty. What a concept!

Here’s one recent study finding that cash transfers are associated with reduced mortality among women and kids: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-023-06116-2

Absolutely. Now let's find half a billion dollars to implement this county wide! Never gonna happen.

Frankly the foolishness of this freebie is astounding- no mandatory participation in accounting for the household and financial advising. https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/08/23/virginia-fairfax-basic-income-pilot/

If I win $11k plus I have to report it as income. So what about the part not from free covid cash? How could this cash received not go into public assistance determinations? "If you are a tax filer, can you still apply? Yes. The financial assistance payments from this pilot are not included in gross income or taxable due to being disaster COVID-19 relief. Please note that these payments are likely to be counted as income for the purpose of public assistance eligibility determination."

Basically the county wants to give tax free money and some recipients might not have even been in the USA from Jan 2020 through 2021. I guess FX will declare this a resounding success ...maybe Eric Adams helped draft it during some personal cell phone calls.

I'm pp quoted. WaPO "also report a “lightening of people’s mental load.”

Alexandria residents say they no longer need to worry about food prices when they are at the grocery store, Mullen said, or report that they are now able to spend more time with their children because the payments have allowed them to quit second jobs.

2nd jobs? The fact is one low income household wih 1 child or 2 and 2 adults could have 1 adult employed.

[Anonymous]

Yet another reason to take my money and flee democrat controlled regions of the country

[Anonymous]

It's not going to help except if you also provide financial literacy. Someone not used to having much money isn't going to benefit like they think and once the pilot is over it's going to do more harm than good. The other issue is if their income is just on the limits for food stamps, child care, housing and medical it could impoverish people more if they lose those benefits as that amount would not cover what they lose.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Liberal here, I do not approve.

Give them food stamps. Health insurance.
Subsidize housing.
School Supplies. Clothes. Gas.
Education - skills, ESL, whatever is needed.

But not cash. I want to know exactly what my taxes are being used for.

With guaranteed income programs, you know exactly what your taxes are being used for: extra income for low-income families, to do what they believe will provide the most benefit for them.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/in-mississippi-a-long-running-guaranteed-income-program-is-helping-black-mothers

DP. A better plan would be to identify the gaps not covered by current programs and identify specific things that these low income families need the cash for and then supply those things rather than providing cash.

A lot of people are low-income because they are dysfunctional, can't manage budget, have misplaced priorities, addictions of various types whether booze/substances/gambling/etc.

Doing things like increasing the amount of food stamps a family long term would be far more beneficial. Or, increasing the income limits for other means tested programs like child care, housing and medical (especially medical).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To the tune of U2’s Desire:

“Infla-a-aation”

Damn and I thought inflation was mostly a result of greedy cooperations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To the tune of U2’s Desire:

“Infla-a-aation”

Damn and I thought inflation was mostly a result of greedy cooperations.

Corporations can only be as greedy as the money that is being printed and out there sloshing around.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sounds like a great way to attract residents dependent on a hand out. If they have enough money for this, then you can safely vote no bonds

Exactly this.