Athletes vs everyone else at SLACS?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s that these schools are small and sell the idea of tight knit togetherness and lifelong bonds, and it feels crappy to be excluded or lonely. I had a freshman roommate who played soccer. Super nice person but never around. Gone every weekend for games on the road, always at practice or team activities or team study sessions. It makes a small school much smaller than expected.

Finally! A sensible and humane observation.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s been less of a divide at the extreme liberal schools since there’s been open discussion of the racism (particularly anti-Black racism) inherent in a lot of the anti-athlete attitudes.

It depends on the school's "top" sports though. At many LACs, the "top" sports are sports like Lacrosse, that are almost 100% white and private school.

Yes, but that doesn’t remove the fact that on many campuses, anti-athlete sentiment was (and is) a very, very thin cover for anti-Black racism.

Are you saying the hostility to lacrosse bros at Amherst stems from anti-Black racism?? This makes zero sense.

Anti-athlete sentiment in universities is frequently a cover for anti-Black racism. It doesn’t matter that the lacrosse team is white; it’s often the Black students who receive the brunt of the anti-athlete sentiment, even if they are a small percentage of the athletes as a whole on a team (and often they aren’t; on many campuses the athletic teams have a higher percentage of Black students than other groups of students).

At Amherst and other elite LACs this is also true. The hostility to athletes is and has been a cover for white liberals to engage in anti-Black racism that they otherwise wouldn’t publicly express (but that they clearly feel). The comments and nastiness directed towards Black athletes on these campuses is appalling.

This really doesn’t make any sense. At elite LACs, athletes skew white and privileged. That is a bit part of why the white lefties have a problem with them. The popped collar lax bro is like cryptonite for them. As a non-lefty, I’m inclined to support theories of white liberal racism (which I think is under discussed) but it feels wrong to me that these attacks on athletes are really going after the handful of black athletes on the teams. Even the sports with relatively high black participation are still like 80 percent white at elite lacs and some sports are almost totally white/Asian.

I think your numbers are a bit off but in any event, I think the point is that a lot of white liberals who are taking anti-athlete positions are doing it as a way to verbally express the racism they feel across the board but don’t express verbally (but do act on), and if they can target the white lax bro at the same time, that’s just an added benefit.

Here’s a piece from a recent Black athlete at Amherst:

https://athletics.amherst.edu/news/2022/2/28/womens-basketball-an-ode-to-amherst-colleges-black-athletes.aspx

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Anonymous wrote:Huge divide at Skidmore

I had received the same info from a Skidmore athlete - we removed it from the list due to this info.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s been less of a divide at the extreme liberal schools since there’s been open discussion of the racism (particularly anti-Black racism) inherent in a lot of the anti-athlete attitudes.

It depends on the school's "top" sports though. At many LACs, the "top" sports are sports like Lacrosse, that are almost 100% white and private school.

Yes, but that doesn’t remove the fact that on many campuses, anti-athlete sentiment was (and is) a very, very thin cover for anti-Black racism.

Are you saying the hostility to lacrosse bros at Amherst stems from anti-Black racism?? This makes zero sense.

Anti-athlete sentiment in universities is frequently a cover for anti-Black racism. It doesn’t matter that the lacrosse team is white; it’s often the Black students who receive the brunt of the anti-athlete sentiment, even if they are a small percentage of the athletes as a whole on a team (and often they aren’t; on many campuses the athletic teams have a higher percentage of Black students than other groups of students).

At Amherst and other elite LACs this is also true. The hostility to athletes is and has been a cover for white liberals to engage in anti-Black racism that they otherwise wouldn’t publicly express (but that they clearly feel). The comments and nastiness directed towards Black athletes on these campuses is appalling.

This really doesn’t make any sense. At elite LACs, athletes skew white and privileged. That is a bit part of why the white lefties have a problem with them. The popped collar lax bro is like cryptonite for them. As a non-lefty, I’m inclined to support theories of white liberal racism (which I think is under discussed) but it feels wrong to me that these attacks on athletes are really going after the handful of black athletes on the teams. Even the sports with relatively high black participation are still like 80 percent white at elite lacs and some sports are almost totally white/Asian.

I think your numbers are a bit off but in any event, I think the point is that a lot of white liberals who are taking anti-athlete positions are doing it as a way to verbally express the racism they feel across the board but don’t express verbally (but do act on), and if they can target the white lax bro at the same time, that’s just an added benefit.

Here’s a piece from a recent Black athlete at Amherst:

https://athletics.amherst.edu/news/2022/2/28/womens-basketball-an-ode-to-amherst-colleges-black-athletes.aspx

Alright, it’s not clicking for me but I do think there is an inherent racism in the progressive perspective, DEI, etc. Those who believe in the ever present reality of white supremacy are in fact the white supremacists (even if they notionally condemn it).

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Anonymous wrote:What is the goal here? Will you only really feel good about life when a lax bro and theater person is hanging out on a regular basis.

Why?

Not PP but it really limits social life.

OP- I mean, given everyone’s obsession with the benefits of diversity, it could be seen as disappointing if campuses are segregated in such a way.

In many sports it promotes diversity. It's up to the actual sport to make sure it is diverse.

A lax bro will have 44 friends on his team.
A theater person will have about the same amount of people they hang out with actors, set, lights, etc.

I'm confused why they need more friends.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s that these schools are small and sell the idea of tight knit togetherness and lifelong bonds, and it feels crappy to be excluded or lonely. I had a freshman roommate who played soccer. Super nice person but never around. Gone every weekend for games on the road, always at practice or team activities or team study sessions. It makes a small school much smaller than expected.

That's a huge assumption that you were not friends due to sports. The person was busy, they could have been busy with chorus.

Why didn't you join clubs? Make friends elsewhere.

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Anonymous wrote:What is the goal here? Will you only really feel good about life when a lax bro and theater person is hanging out on a regular basis.

Why?

Not PP but it really limits social life.

OP- I mean, given everyone’s obsession with the benefits of diversity, it could be seen as disappointing if campuses are segregated in such a way.

In many sports it promotes diversity. It's up to the actual sport to make sure it is diverse.

A lax bro will have 44 friends on his team.
A theater person will have about the same amount of people they hang out with actors, set, lights, etc.

I'm confused why they need more friends.

This attitude exposes the lie that is "diversity." Diversity advocates have no real belief that mixing different people together produces better educational outcomes. They are perfectly happy to let all the kids be siloed by their interests, background, abilities, gender, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Huge divide at Skidmore

Skidmore?!?

LOL

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Anonymous wrote:Huge divide at Skidmore

Skidmore?!?

LOL

what's so funny? Skidmore is exactly the type of school where you would see a divide-- recruited athletes paired with artsy hippy dippy types.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There’s been less of a divide at the extreme liberal schools since there’s been open discussion of the racism (particularly anti-Black racism) inherent in a lot of the anti-athlete attitudes.

Examples of "extreme liberal" schools?

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Anonymous wrote:There’s been less of a divide at the extreme liberal schools since there’s been open discussion of the racism (particularly anti-Black racism) inherent in a lot of the anti-athlete attitudes.

Examples of "extreme liberal" schools?

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Aren't they all? (Except for Hillsdale, etc)

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Anonymous wrote:There’s been less of a divide at the extreme liberal schools since there’s been open discussion of the racism (particularly anti-Black racism) inherent in a lot of the anti-athlete attitudes.

Examples of "extreme liberal" schools?

Which ones aren’t?

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Anonymous wrote:Huge divide at Skidmore

Skidmore?!?

LOL

what's so funny? Skidmore is exactly the type of school where you would see a divide-- recruited athletes paired with artsy hippy dippy types.

From what I’ve heard, the divide at Skidmore was more pronounced 10-15 years ago but has gotten less so.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s that these schools are small and sell the idea of tight knit togetherness and lifelong bonds, and it feels crappy to be excluded or lonely. I had a freshman roommate who played soccer. Super nice person but never around. Gone every weekend for games on the road, always at practice or team activities or team study sessions. It makes a small school much smaller than expected.

Finally! A sensible and humane observation.

Oh come on. You could say the same thing about a dedicated pre-med major.

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