"No dog pee" sign - is one style more effective?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Agree with a PP -

I have never seen these so called brown spots caused by pee.

Look. I have a bunch from my jerk neighbors. I have one lady who literally lets her off leash dog walk right up to my plants near my porch and pee on them. I say something to her when I’m out and see it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, if you put one up I will try to stop my dog from peeing. But know that you are in a minority of people that consider dog peeing somehow offensive, and now I as a neighbor know that about you.

It’s not offensive. It kills the grass, leaving little brown spots all over the yard.

Brown patch disease is caused by the fungus Rhizoctonia. This disease causes patches of dead brown grass in hot and humid weather. Not dog pee

Wrong. I’d love to show you the spots where the dogs stop on my street. I can not believe the bull shite dog owners come up with to justify their poor behavior.

This. I have a small dog. I take it to the curb strip first thing in the morning. It’s down to dirt there from the concentrated urine. Each spring I put down new sod and start the process over.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Agree with a PP - I have never seen these so called brown spots caused by pee.

I have a large male dog. I have yellow dead grass spots all over my backyard. Maybe some dogs’ urine doesn’t kill grass, but my dog’s does. Fortunately, he only pees a ton in our yard. When we go on walks he’s just peeing a tiny amount here and there and not doing the same kind of damage. I think it’s that really concentrated, first pee of the day that’s so damaging.

It's dose-dependent.

The people who don't think pee (of any species) hurts plants is because they've probably only had small critters, including small dogs, pee on their property.

But large quantities of urine will cause browning.

Right, but that usually doesn't happen on a walk. Every dog I've had does an initial "big pee" in our yard to start, and then does minor marking during the walk.

In my opinion, both sides of the sidewalk are fair game, but only a couple of feet in. As a homeowner, I am purposeful about what I plant right next to the sidewalk.

Not being sparky, genuinely curious. Do you let your dog go into flower beds that are adjacent to the sidewalk or do you limit your dog to the grass? Do you let your dog go through plants/shrubs or restrict it to open space?

[Anonymous]

We live in a suburban neighborhood in Falls Church (22043) without any sidewalks, so there is no “strip next to sidewalk” that others refer to - is all lawn. As a dog owner, there is literally no other option than to allow my dog to go to the bathroom on someone’s lawn. I do not let him sniff or go on a lawn with any signage asking not to, but tbh we have deer, foxes, squirrels, raccoons, neighbors roaming cats, etc - so ppl who think their OUTDOOR space is not being used as natures bathroom are deluding themselves.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We live in a suburban neighborhood in Falls Church (22043) without any sidewalks, so there is no “strip next to sidewalk” that others refer to - is all lawn. As a dog owner, there is literally no other option than to allow my dog to go to the bathroom on someone’s lawn. I do not let him sniff or go on a lawn with any signage asking not to, but tbh we have deer, foxes, squirrels, raccoons, neighbors roaming cats, etc - so ppl who think their OUTDOOR space is not being used as natures bathroom are deluding themselves.

No, wildlife urinating is not the same as domesticated dogs urinating. Wildlife does not seem a familiar path and mark the path. Wildlife does not seek out the same spots to mark and continue to mark the same spot. Wildlife will not look for paths that other animals have used and follow similar paths and mark similar spaces.

As has been noted above, small amounts of urine are not a problem but larger amounts are. So, a small dog may not deposit much urine, but when they visit the same place continuously, they wlll kill the grass. A large dog usually leaves more urine and fewer visits by a larger dog will cause the same problem. Also, there are some dogs that will smell for markers from other dogs and may use the same places to mark and follow the same trail. When multiple dogs use the same spot, the killing of the grass will happen more frequently.

If you have the situation that you describe, you should pick different paths every time you walk the dog so that the dog is not marking the same trail over and over. If you vary the path, then the urine will be less likely to kill the grass.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that there are some respectful dog owners. Those owners will tend to do the right thing whether you have a sign or not. But there are many apathetic dog owners who don't care about anyone else's property, especially post-pandemic. There are many people who acquired a Covid canine and don't really know or don't care about the etiquette of dog ownership and respecting other people's property.

Pre-pandemic, signs were good. Post-pandemic with many more of the apathetic dog owners, I just get the large container of cayenne from Costco and sprinkle around my mailbox and the edge of my property along the sidewalk (only my side, not the edge along the verge). I do this whenever I see signs of dogs on my property. The dogs learn and tend to stay away. So, I've found that you have to do it more often when someone gets a new dog or moves in but it gets further and further apart as the dogs learn to stay away.

Will wind blow the cayenne? I have next door neighbors that have dogs, and are great about their dogs and very respectful. I wouldn't want cayenne from my yard blowing into theirs. But the neighborhood dogs that step on my own property... that's different.

The way to prevent that is to dissolve cayenne into oil making a pepper oil and then spray the lawn. The oil will help the pepper to stick and not blow around. The cayenne will stay until the next rain. If needed, reapply after the rain.

[Anonymous]

I direct my male dog carefully in the beginning of a walk when he really has to pee which is usually right in front of our house - well into the walk where it is more performative i don't really police him as nothing is coming out. I have had 2 older women one in her house and one at a bus stop scream at me for letting him raise his leg over some plants in the tree box (in DC where the City owns the tree boxes). It's sad how unhinged some people are. If you live in the City dogs are going to pee in the tree boxes.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, if you put one up I will try to stop my dog from peeing. But know that you are in a minority of people that consider dog peeing somehow offensive, and now I as a neighbor know that about you.

It’s not offensive. It kills the grass, leaving little brown spots all over the yard.

Brown patch disease is caused by the fungus Rhizoctonia. This disease causes patches of dead brown grass in hot and humid weather. Not dog pee

Wrong. I’d love to show you the spots where the dogs stop on my street. I can not believe the bull shite dog owners come up with to justify their poor behavior.

This. I have a small dog. I take it to the curb strip first thing in the morning. It’s down to dirt there from the concentrated urine. Each spring I put down new sod and start the process over.

That is a YOUR DOG issue, not an all dog issue. I have a large dog who pees everywhere in our yard. As well as a second dog. And other neighborhood dogs in my yard most days for playdates, sometimes 3 at a time. And there zero brown spots in my yard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I direct my male dog carefully in the beginning of a walk when he really has to pee which is usually right in front of our house - well into the walk where it is more performative i don't really police him as nothing is coming out. I have had 2 older women one in her house and one at a bus stop scream at me for letting him raise his leg over some plants in the tree box (in DC where the City owns the tree boxes). It's sad how unhinged some people are. If you live in the City dogs are going to pee in the tree boxes.

I just smile and wave.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We live in a suburban neighborhood in Falls Church (22043) without any sidewalks, so there is no “strip next to sidewalk” that others refer to - is all lawn. As a dog owner, there is literally no other option than to allow my dog to go to the bathroom on someone’s lawn. I do not let him sniff or go on a lawn with any signage asking not to, but tbh we have deer, foxes, squirrels, raccoons, neighbors roaming cats, etc - so ppl who think their OUTDOOR space is not being used as natures bathroom are deluding themselves.

No, wildlife urinating is not the same as domesticated dogs urinating. Wildlife does not seem a familiar path and mark the path. Wildlife does not seek out the same spots to mark and continue to mark the same spot. Wildlife will not look for paths that other animals have used and follow similar paths and mark similar spaces.

As has been noted above, small amounts of urine are not a problem but larger amounts are. So, a small dog may not deposit much urine, but when they visit the same place continuously, they wlll kill the grass. A large dog usually leaves more urine and fewer visits by a larger dog will cause the same problem. Also, there are some dogs that will smell for markers from other dogs and may use the same places to mark and follow the same trail. When multiple dogs use the same spot, the killing of the grass will happen more frequently.

If you have the situation that you describe, you should pick different paths every time you walk the dog so that the dog is not marking the same trail over and over. If you vary the path, then the urine will be less likely to kill the grass.

I posted above with the large dog and dog playdates in my yard and this is categorically false. It may be true for YOUR DOG but has never been an issue for mine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I direct my male dog carefully in the beginning of a walk when he really has to pee which is usually right in front of our house - well into the walk where it is more performative i don't really police him as nothing is coming out. I have had 2 older women one in her house and one at a bus stop scream at me for letting him raise his leg over some plants in the tree box (in DC where the City owns the tree boxes). It's sad how unhinged some people are. If you live in the City dogs are going to pee in the tree boxes.

It’s not unhinged. Honestly, you’re just rude, disrespectful and entitled (and I don’t even live in DC so I’m certainly not one of the women). So many of you dog owners are. The fact that you repeatedly allow your dog to do this at two homes where you know the owners don’t like it and are caring for the tree boxes so that their street looks nicer - you are part of the problem with today’s society.

[Anonymous]

I don't understand why anyone defends this.

It doesn't matter if *you* don't think it leaves brown spots. Just because wild animals go wherever, doesn't mean your animal (your property) has the right to urinate on other people's private properties. Your animal should be under your control at all times - that's the law. So control it, and don't let it use people's plants and yards as a toilet. The squirrels and birds are irrelevant.

There is literally nothing to justify this. Don't wait until people ask you not to--the *default* is not trespassing and vandalizing other people's property, unless you ask permission and receive explicit consent.

I am so tired of entitled and lazy dog owners. Your dog, your problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I hate the ones that say “be respectful.” It’s so smug and kindergarten teacher. I sometimes ignore those. But if a sign just says “curb your dog” or “please no pee” I definitely respect those.

Wait, so otherwise you just let your dog go in someone's yard?!

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I wish brown spots in tree boxes were worth getting this worked up about. In my neighborhood the problem is off-leash dogs and people not picking up their dog's crap; I could care less where they pee.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Agree with a PP - I have never seen these so called brown spots caused by pee.

Have your eyes checked by an optometrist. My dog has been trained to go in one particular spot in the yard and the grass in that spot is dead.

Why would you train your dog to pee in the same spot over and over again if you know that brown spots are a result of dog pee in the same spot over and over again?