Which Bethesda / Chevy Chase ES am I describing?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Chevy Chase ES for less stressful environment.

In my experience of Bethesda area schools, it is the best for that. They're not overcrowded like so many schools are, and they have a wealthy parent-funded foundation, so one room in the school is dedicated to relaxation and alternative learning, with walking desks, and yoga balls and bean bags, and a fountain (my daughter had standardized testing there, to reduce stress). The counselor is great and also has lots of fun stuff.

Bethesda Elementary has the best reputation for catering to special needs - they accept students from the area that other MCPS schools cannot welcome and they also get the kids undergoing treatment at NIH. They make it very easy to get an IEP or 504 if your child needs one - unlike in other MCPS schools, parents there rarely have to fight to for their child to receive accommodations. The Principal and Assistant Principal are wonderful people. However they are overcrowded due to the unending high-end condo and apartment construction in downtown Bethesda that attracts more families than developers and the school board (who is in the pocket of developers) ever thought possible.

Middle schools are the weakest link in any school system, due to raging hormones If your child has serious special needs, I have to say that it's best they then switch to North Bethesda MS then Walter Johnson HS, which is the neighboring cluster to the north that houses many excellent special programs (cluster switching is allowed if your child is approved for a special program). The teachers are great, the academics are very strong, but it's overcrowded. If you want to live in that cluster, please know that WJ is first in line to have its boundaries recalibrated because of the construction of the new high school, Woodward, to the north of it on Old Georgetown Rd. The boundary study will affect ALL Bethesda clusters and will be done in 2024, for a Woodward opening for 2025. BCC and WW boundaries might not change much, but they are included in the study.

Westland MS, the middle school in the BCC cluster after Bethesda ES, is small, not yet overcrowded, and tries not to create an atmosphere of academic striving - which has its drawbacks for kids who actually WANT that sort of thing. Special needs aren't well catered to, though.

BCC high school is nearly as good, academically, as WJ, Walt Whitman, and Winston Churchill. It's conveniently located in downtown Bethesda. It sells its IB program hard, but the dirty secret of IB is that it's not as well recognized by US/Canadian/UK college admissions officers as AP courses/exams. If you want a university in Singapore or Switzerland, then sure, IB is the way to go. As a result of offering IB, it has fewer AP courses than other "W" high schools in the area. So buyer beware.
If you're looking for a high school that's not a pressure cooker like WW or WJ, then BCC is also a good balance of academics and not sky-high stress.

There is no high school in MCPS that is quite as academically ambitious as Walt Whitman, OP. That comes with certain emotional sacrifices.

Did I make your head spin?

The bold seems off. As a BCC parent, I have seen many IB kids get offers to Canadian and European colleges. Kids regularly get offers to Canadian schools conditioned solely on hitting certain IB point total. Most of these kids are dual nationals.

UK schools and US schools “value” IB the same as AP in terms of the reflection that a kid has chosen a “challenging” program. IB to for credit conversions are murky, but the dirty secret of AP is that you are likely to get credit only if you hit a 5, maybe a 4 and even then the “credit” may be capped or taken only as elective or not counted toward your degree but inly to get you out of freshman 100 course. The more competitive the school, the less likely you will get any useful college credit for your AP class.

I don’t know what to say about the idea of “academically ambitious” Whitman. I have met a lot of wealthy but not too bright students who are admitted to very non/competitive colleges. But, there is a spread of all types in every MCPS school - academically ambitious to regular state or community college. Every kid develops differently and being wealthy enough to full pay for college makes admissions easier.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:CCES has a lot of problems especially the kooky but also vicious principal who may have finally retired. Check previous threads. I think there's just one person posting multiple positive things bout CCES.

I'm the poster whose daughter went there and had a great academic experience in the CES. Yes, the Principal did not like wearing masks during the pandemic, and I posted about it on DCUM when it happened, because she did not respond well to parent criticism about her mask-wearing, which got me upset! But the staff was all wonderful. Again, no experience with special need services there. For that Bethesda Elementary is better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Chevy Chase ES for less stressful environment.

In my experience of Bethesda area schools, it is the best for that. They're not overcrowded like so many schools are, and they have a wealthy parent-funded foundation, so one room in the school is dedicated to relaxation and alternative learning, with walking desks, and yoga balls and bean bags, and a fountain (my daughter had standardized testing there, to reduce stress). The counselor is great and also has lots of fun stuff.

Bethesda Elementary has the best reputation for catering to special needs - they accept students from the area that other MCPS schools cannot welcome and they also get the kids undergoing treatment at NIH. They make it very easy to get an IEP or 504 if your child needs one - unlike in other MCPS schools, parents there rarely have to fight to for their child to receive accommodations. The Principal and Assistant Principal are wonderful people. However they are overcrowded due to the unending high-end condo and apartment construction in downtown Bethesda that attracts more families than developers and the school board (who is in the pocket of developers) ever thought possible.

Middle schools are the weakest link in any school system, due to raging hormones If your child has serious special needs, I have to say that it's best they then switch to North Bethesda MS then Walter Johnson HS, which is the neighboring cluster to the north that houses many excellent special programs (cluster switching is allowed if your child is approved for a special program). The teachers are great, the academics are very strong, but it's overcrowded. If you want to live in that cluster, please know that WJ is first in line to have its boundaries recalibrated because of the construction of the new high school, Woodward, to the north of it on Old Georgetown Rd. The boundary study will affect ALL Bethesda clusters and will be done in 2024, for a Woodward opening for 2025. BCC and WW boundaries might not change much, but they are included in the study.

Westland MS, the middle school in the BCC cluster after Bethesda ES, is small, not yet overcrowded, and tries not to create an atmosphere of academic striving - which has its drawbacks for kids who actually WANT that sort of thing. Special needs aren't well catered to, though.

BCC high school is nearly as good, academically, as WJ, Walt Whitman, and Winston Churchill. It's conveniently located in downtown Bethesda. It sells its IB program hard, but the dirty secret of IB is that it's not as well recognized by US/Canadian/UK college admissions officers as AP courses/exams. If you want a university in Singapore or Switzerland, then sure, IB is the way to go. As a result of offering IB, it has fewer AP courses than other "W" high schools in the area. So buyer beware.
If you're looking for a high school that's not a pressure cooker like WW or WJ, then BCC is also a good balance of academics and not sky-high stress.

There is no high school in MCPS that is quite as academically ambitious as Walt Whitman, OP. That comes with certain emotional sacrifices.

Did I make your head spin?

The bold seems off. As a BCC parent, I have seen many IB kids get offers to Canadian and European colleges. Kids regularly get offers to Canadian schools conditioned solely on hitting certain IB point total. Most of these kids are dual nationals.

UK schools and US schools “value” IB the same as AP in terms of the reflection that a kid has chosen a “challenging” program. IB to for credit conversions are murky, but the dirty secret of AP is that you are likely to get credit only if you hit a 5, maybe a 4 and even then the “credit” may be capped or taken only as elective or not counted toward your degree but inly to get you out of freshman 100 course. The more competitive the school, the less likely you will get any useful college credit for your AP class.

I don’t know what to say about the idea of “academically ambitious” Whitman. I have met a lot of wealthy but not too bright students who are admitted to very non/competitive colleges. But, there is a spread of all types in every MCPS school - academically ambitious to regular state or community college. Every kid develops differently and being wealthy enough to full pay for college makes admissions easier.

Then you haven't paid close attention. You need even better IB grades to get an equal amount of recognition compared to APs, and an excellent IB grade is even harder to get than an excellent AP score, because the writing is more challenging.
Of course students can be accepted to universities abroad with all sorts of high school profiles. But Oxbridge, for example requires a set number of 5s on AP exams from US students as a prerequisite to taking their entrance exams. If you come from the US with an IB diploma, it's not the expected framework, and anything that's not expected, in my experience, just makes it harder. You can't just dismiss it all can say it's all the same. No. It's not. And for very selective universities, even a little bit of difference can make or break an acceptance.

And if you don't know about the pressure cooker that is WW, then WJ and Churchill, then I don't know what to tell you. BCC is less stressful as a whole.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CCES has a lot of problems especially the kooky but also vicious principal who may have finally retired. Check previous threads. I think there's just one person posting multiple positive things bout CCES.

I'm the poster whose daughter went there and had a great academic experience in the CES. Yes, the Principal did not like wearing masks during the pandemic, and I posted about it on DCUM when it happened, because she did not respond well to parent criticism about her mask-wearing, which got me upset! But the staff was all wonderful. Again, no experience with special need services there. For that Bethesda Elementary is better.

CES is totally different from the general ed program. The principal dotes on CES students and gives them the best, most experienced teachers. The experience of the gen ed students is really different. If OP is moving to be inbounds, it would most likely be for general ed program. She should not make a decision based on CES.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Chevy Chase ES for less stressful environment.

In my experience of Bethesda area schools, it is the best for that. They're not overcrowded like so many schools are, and they have a wealthy parent-funded foundation, so one room in the school is dedicated to relaxation and alternative learning, with walking desks, and yoga balls and bean bags, and a fountain (my daughter had standardized testing there, to reduce stress). The counselor is great and also has lots of fun stuff.

Bethesda Elementary has the best reputation for catering to special needs - they accept students from the area that other MCPS schools cannot welcome and they also get the kids undergoing treatment at NIH. They make it very easy to get an IEP or 504 if your child needs one - unlike in other MCPS schools, parents there rarely have to fight to for their child to receive accommodations. The Principal and Assistant Principal are wonderful people. However they are overcrowded due to the unending high-end condo and apartment construction in downtown Bethesda that attracts more families than developers and the school board (who is in the pocket of developers) ever thought possible.

Middle schools are the weakest link in any school system, due to raging hormones If your child has serious special needs, I have to say that it's best they then switch to North Bethesda MS then Walter Johnson HS, which is the neighboring cluster to the north that houses many excellent special programs (cluster switching is allowed if your child is approved for a special program). The teachers are great, the academics are very strong, but it's overcrowded. If you want to live in that cluster, please know that WJ is first in line to have its boundaries recalibrated because of the construction of the new high school, Woodward, to the north of it on Old Georgetown Rd. The boundary study will affect ALL Bethesda clusters and will be done in 2024, for a Woodward opening for 2025. BCC and WW boundaries might not change much, but they are included in the study.

Westland MS, the middle school in the BCC cluster after Bethesda ES, is small, not yet overcrowded, and tries not to create an atmosphere of academic striving - which has its drawbacks for kids who actually WANT that sort of thing. Special needs aren't well catered to, though.

BCC high school is nearly as good, academically, as WJ, Walt Whitman, and Winston Churchill. It's conveniently located in downtown Bethesda. It sells its IB program hard, but the dirty secret of IB is that it's not as well recognized by US/Canadian/UK college admissions officers as AP courses/exams. If you want a university in Singapore or Switzerland, then sure, IB is the way to go. As a result of offering IB, it has fewer AP courses than other "W" high schools in the area. So buyer beware.
If you're looking for a high school that's not a pressure cooker like WW or WJ, then BCC is also a good balance of academics and not sky-high stress.

There is no high school in MCPS that is quite as academically ambitious as Walt Whitman, OP. That comes with certain emotional sacrifices.

Did I make your head spin?

The bold seems off. As a BCC parent, I have seen many IB kids get offers to Canadian and European colleges. Kids regularly get offers to Canadian schools conditioned solely on hitting certain IB point total. Most of these kids are dual nationals.

UK schools and US schools “value” IB the same as AP in terms of the reflection that a kid has chosen a “challenging” program. IB to for credit conversions are murky, but the dirty secret of AP is that you are likely to get credit only if you hit a 5, maybe a 4 and even then the “credit” may be capped or taken only as elective or not counted toward your degree but inly to get you out of freshman 100 course. The more competitive the school, the less likely you will get any useful college credit for your AP class.

I don’t know what to say about the idea of “academically ambitious” Whitman. I have met a lot of wealthy but not too bright students who are admitted to very non/competitive colleges. But, there is a spread of all types in every MCPS school - academically ambitious to regular state or community college. Every kid develops differently and being wealthy enough to full pay for college makes admissions easier.

Then you haven't paid close attention. You need even better IB grades to get an equal amount of recognition compared to APs, and an excellent IB grade is even harder to get than an excellent AP score, because the writing is more challenging.
Of course students can be accepted to universities abroad with all sorts of high school profiles. But Oxbridge, for example requires a set number of 5s on AP exams from US students as a prerequisite to taking their entrance exams. If you come from the US with an IB diploma, it's not the expected framework, and anything that's not expected, in my experience, just makes it harder. You can't just dismiss it all can say it's all the same. No. It's not. And for very selective universities, even a little bit of difference can make or break an acceptance.

And if you don't know about the pressure cooker that is WW, then WJ and Churchill, then I don't know what to tell you. BCC is less stressful as a whole.

Actually, it’s such an expected framework that Oxford has very clear parameters about what IB scores are pre-requisite foe admission on this page - IB requirements from the US are under “International Baccalaureate” and AP and SAT qualifications are listed under “United States”

https://www.ox.ac.uk/admissions/undergraduate/applying-to-oxford/for-international-students/international-qualifications

One can argue about whether it’s harder to achieve high IB scores or high AP scores. I think it depends a lot on the individual. Good writer or not? Able to memorize a lot of random facts and concepts? Don’t get thrown by trick answer wording on multiple choice Qs?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CCES has a lot of problems especially the kooky but also vicious principal who may have finally retired. Check previous threads. I think there's just one person posting multiple positive things bout CCES.

I'm the poster whose daughter went there and had a great academic experience in the CES. Yes, the Principal did not like wearing masks during the pandemic, and I posted about it on DCUM when it happened, because she did not respond well to parent criticism about her mask-wearing, which got me upset! But the staff was all wonderful. Again, no experience with special need services there. For that Bethesda Elementary is better.

CES is totally different from the general ed program. The principal dotes on CES students and gives them the best, most experienced teachers. The experience of the gen ed students is really different. If OP is moving to be inbounds, it would most likely be for general ed program. She should not make a decision based on CES.

This is just nonsense. One of the teacher of the year finalists this year was a gen Ed teacher and a different gen Ed teacher recently won a rising star educator award. The teachers are all, for the most part, strong. I don’t know what you mean by the principal dotes on the CES students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Chevy Chase ES for less stressful environment.

In my experience of Bethesda area schools, it is the best for that. They're not overcrowded like so many schools are, and they have a wealthy parent-funded foundation, so one room in the school is dedicated to relaxation and alternative learning, with walking desks, and yoga balls and bean bags, and a fountain (my daughter had standardized testing there, to reduce stress). The counselor is great and also has lots of fun stuff.

Bethesda Elementary has the best reputation for catering to special needs - they accept students from the area that other MCPS schools cannot welcome and they also get the kids undergoing treatment at NIH. They make it very easy to get an IEP or 504 if your child needs one - unlike in other MCPS schools, parents there rarely have to fight to for their child to receive accommodations. The Principal and Assistant Principal are wonderful people. However they are overcrowded due to the unending high-end condo and apartment construction in downtown Bethesda that attracts more families than developers and the school board (who is in the pocket of developers) ever thought possible.

Middle schools are the weakest link in any school system, due to raging hormones If your child has serious special needs, I have to say that it's best they then switch to North Bethesda MS then Walter Johnson HS, which is the neighboring cluster to the north that houses many excellent special programs (cluster switching is allowed if your child is approved for a special program). The teachers are great, the academics are very strong, but it's overcrowded. If you want to live in that cluster, please know that WJ is first in line to have its boundaries recalibrated because of the construction of the new high school, Woodward, to the north of it on Old Georgetown Rd. The boundary study will affect ALL Bethesda clusters and will be done in 2024, for a Woodward opening for 2025. BCC and WW boundaries might not change much, but they are included in the study.

Westland MS, the middle school in the BCC cluster after Bethesda ES, is small, not yet overcrowded, and tries not to create an atmosphere of academic striving - which has its drawbacks for kids who actually WANT that sort of thing. Special needs aren't well catered to, though.

BCC high school is nearly as good, academically, as WJ, Walt Whitman, and Winston Churchill. It's conveniently located in downtown Bethesda. It sells its IB program hard, but the dirty secret of IB is that it's not as well recognized by US/Canadian/UK college admissions officers as AP courses/exams. If you want a university in Singapore or Switzerland, then sure, IB is the way to go. As a result of offering IB, it has fewer AP courses than other "W" high schools in the area. So buyer beware.
If you're looking for a high school that's not a pressure cooker like WW or WJ, then BCC is also a good balance of academics and not sky-high stress.

There is no high school in MCPS that is quite as academically ambitious as Walt Whitman, OP. That comes with certain emotional sacrifices.

Did I make your head spin?

The bold seems off. As a BCC parent, I have seen many IB kids get offers to Canadian and European colleges. Kids regularly get offers to Canadian schools conditioned solely on hitting certain IB point total. Most of these kids are dual nationals.

UK schools and US schools “value” IB the same as AP in terms of the reflection that a kid has chosen a “challenging” program. IB to for credit conversions are murky, but the dirty secret of AP is that you are likely to get credit only if you hit a 5, maybe a 4 and even then the “credit” may be capped or taken only as elective or not counted toward your degree but inly to get you out of freshman 100 course. The more competitive the school, the less likely you will get any useful college credit for your AP class.

I don’t know what to say about the idea of “academically ambitious” Whitman. I have met a lot of wealthy but not too bright students who are admitted to very non/competitive colleges. But, there is a spread of all types in every MCPS school - academically ambitious to regular state or community college. Every kid develops differently and being wealthy enough to full pay for college makes admissions easier.

Then you haven't paid close attention. You need even better IB grades to get an equal amount of recognition compared to APs, and an excellent IB grade is even harder to get than an excellent AP score, because the writing is more challenging.
Of course students can be accepted to universities abroad with all sorts of high school profiles. But Oxbridge, for example requires a set number of 5s on AP exams from US students as a prerequisite to taking their entrance exams. If you come from the US with an IB diploma, it's not the expected framework, and anything that's not expected, in my experience, just makes it harder. You can't just dismiss it all can say it's all the same. No. It's not. And for very selective universities, even a little bit of difference can make or break an acceptance.

And if you don't know about the pressure cooker that is WW, then WJ and Churchill, then I don't know what to tell you. BCC is less stressful as a whole.

Yes, you can take more or less the same courses @BCC so the education is comparable and comes with less stress.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CCES has a lot of problems especially the kooky but also vicious principal who may have finally retired. Check previous threads. I think there's just one person posting multiple positive things bout CCES.

I'm the poster whose daughter went there and had a great academic experience in the CES. Yes, the Principal did not like wearing masks during the pandemic, and I posted about it on DCUM when it happened, because she did not respond well to parent criticism about her mask-wearing, which got me upset! But the staff was all wonderful. Again, no experience with special need services there. For that Bethesda Elementary is better.

CES is totally different from the general ed program. The principal dotes on CES students and gives them the best, most experienced teachers. The experience of the gen ed students is really different. If OP is moving to be inbounds, it would most likely be for general ed program. She should not make a decision based on CES.

This is just nonsense. One of the teacher of the year finalists this year was a gen Ed teacher and a different gen Ed teacher recently won a rising star educator award. The teachers are all, for the most part, strong. I don’t know what you mean by the principal dotes on the CES students.

CCES is the BEST!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CCES has a lot of problems especially the kooky but also vicious principal who may have finally retired. Check previous threads. I think there's just one person posting multiple positive things bout CCES.

I'm the poster whose daughter went there and had a great academic experience in the CES. Yes, the Principal did not like wearing masks during the pandemic, and I posted about it on DCUM when it happened, because she did not respond well to parent criticism about her mask-wearing, which got me upset! But the staff was all wonderful. Again, no experience with special need services there. For that Bethesda Elementary is better.

CES is totally different from the general ed program. The principal dotes on CES students and gives them the best, most experienced teachers. The experience of the gen ed students is really different. If OP is moving to be inbounds, it would most likely be for general ed program. She should not make a decision based on CES.

This is just nonsense. One of the teacher of the year finalists this year was a gen Ed teacher and a different gen Ed teacher recently won a rising star educator award. The teachers are all, for the most part, strong. I don’t know what you mean by the principal dotes on the CES students.

I can't speak to CES, but in the regular program, it's like at all schools--there are some strong teachers, some weak teachers, and most are in between.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why Bethesda/CC?

Because that’s where they’ve decided they want to live???

[Anonymous]

Avoid CCES. Not supportive, not small, divided community between the CES and local kids and some local families resent the presence of CES families.
Try the smaller Whitman feeder schools. If your child is coming from small and supportive those will feel the most natural.

[Anonymous]

With respect to CCES, I am in no way an apologist for the principal. I think the school would be better with someone else in place. But overall, the teachers in the general education program have been excellent educators. Some of them are extraordinary. The principal does a good job with hiring, and I presume the teachers stay because they feel she supports them and creates a positive work environment. I do agree that there is a divide between the gen ed and CES programs. The gen ed and CES students don’t interact outside of instrumental music and after-school activities.

[Anonymous]

The teachers hate her and are afraid of her. There is a lot of turnover but the teachers in the CES program tend to stay longer as they are doted on and get a lot of freedom to write their own curriculum in a way they would not get anywhere in MCPS.

[Anonymous]

OP, before leaving DC try Mann!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, before leaving DC try Mann!!

If OP doesn’t care about the middle school feed then I agree. Mann families pony up over $1,000/kid for the PTA, and DCPS allows PTAs to pay for extra staff. There is no MCPS that is going to have anything comparable. But the middle school feed is a definite issue; we have friends at Hardy who are all moving to get into Deal or an MCPS.