Us sending 1500 troops to Mexican border

[Anonymous]

I am a Democrat and pro-immigration, but am very conflicted about what is happening at the border. The majority of people at the border will line up/walk up to Customs and Border agents and request asylum. The majority are not running undetected across the border. After asylum officers interview them, many will be scheduled for an immigration court hearing for asylum, which will be years away. They are considered illegal in that they did not enter the US at a port of entry, yet they have a pending court date with an immigration judge to decide if they should be granted asylum or sent back to their country. Not sure how this can be fixed unless prohibiting asylum if someone does not enter at our ports of entry, but that means changing the law. I am concerned that anyone from anywhere in the world can fly into Mexico and then go to the border, especially if they “lose” their documents, claim smugglers took them, etc. I don’t see this as a Biden issue, but something every president has to deal with.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Look what’s happening in NYC, Chicago, DC.

So many illegals in public services. Not enough shelters, costing NYC 4 Billion alone!

Then you have the border states, you have 1000’s of on the streets like in El Paso. Just look at news reports from local news there.

And we went to bring even more in at a faster rate??????!?


Enough.

Can anyone here explains why you support bringing in even more migrants in?

When people fly to Mexico from Europe, Africa, Asia, and then cross the border to the US for “asylum”, that is complete BS.

Once you are out of the country you are fleeing, t you need to make an asylum claim and try e next county you enter. The asylum laws need to be changed,

Sending over 1500 or 200,000 troops won’t help if we just let everyone in and give them a court date in 2 years to show up.

Says the person who has never set foot in Honduras.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look what’s happening in NYC, Chicago, DC.

So many illegals in public services. Not enough shelters, costing NYC 4 Billion alone!

Then you have the border states, you have 1000’s of on the streets like in El Paso. Just look at news reports from local news there.

And we went to bring even more in at a faster rate??????!?


Enough.

Can anyone here explains why you support bringing in even more migrants in?

When people fly to Mexico from Europe, Africa, Asia, and then cross the border to the US for “asylum”, that is complete BS.

Once you are out of the country you are fleeing, t you need to make an asylum claim and try e next county you enter. The asylum laws need to be changed,

Sending over 1500 or 200,000 troops won’t help if we just let everyone in and give them a court date in 2 years to show up.

Says the person who has never set foot in Honduras.

DP
To claim asylum, you need:

To demonstrate a reasonable fear, the individual must show that there is a “reasonable possibility” that he or she will be tortured in the country of removal or persecuted on the basis of race, religion, nationality, political opinion, or membership in a particular social group.

Violence in your home country is not a criterion for asylum.

And, it may surprise you that the murder rate in Honduras is not as high as some of our cities...

"However, a little dig into crime statistics in some American cities show that in the case of Honduras and Guatemala, their cities are in fact safer than cities such as Baltimore and St. Louis."
https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/fleeing-crime-american-cities-more-violent-than-honduras-guatemala/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Illegal immigrants are about 10% of the population. This will jump to about 15% under Biden.

Oh, we're doing made-up statistics?

No, illegals don't make up anywhere near 10% of the population, nor is it heading to 15%.

Whoever told you that is 100% full of crap (in this case, the 100% is not a made-up statistic).

It is actually 15% of the population. You just look incredibly ignorant. -DP

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/percentage-of-illegal-immigrants-by-country

There is no citation for this data. Choose better sources.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Illegal immigrants are about 10% of the population. This will jump to about 15% under Biden.

Oh, we're doing made-up statistics?

No, illegals don't make up anywhere near 10% of the population, nor is it heading to 15%.

Whoever told you that is 100% full of crap (in this case, the 100% is not a made-up statistic).

It is actually 15% of the population. You just look incredibly ignorant. -DP

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/percentage-of-illegal-immigrants-by-country

There is no citation for this data. Choose better sources.

Here you go.

MIT and Yale are pretty credible.

This was also 5 years ago and the numbers are even higher.

Your welcome.

https://thehill.com/latino/407848-yale-mit-study-22-million-not-11-million-undocumented-immigrants-in-us/amp/

[Anonymous]

Hispanics are trending right


Send the army to the Border!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone actually support letting in 8000 migrants a day??? Or possibly even double that with what our actually capacity it to process, house, or even deport them.

What other country in the world would even allow this? Not even the progressive European countries allow this?

Yes fine with. We need to add fresh blood to this country. Too many have become dependent on the state.julook at the republicans party.

Because the thousands of illegals won’t be dependent on the state at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone actually support letting in 8000 migrants a day??? Or possibly even double that with what our actually capacity it to process, house, or even deport them.

What other country in the world would even allow this? Not even the progressive European countries allow this?

Yes fine with. We need to add fresh blood to this country. Too many have become dependent on the state.julook at the republicans party.

Because the thousands of illegals won’t be dependent on the state at all.

You mean Millions…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone actually support letting in 8000 migrants a day??? Or possibly even double that with what our actually capacity it to process, house, or even deport them.

What other country in the world would even allow this? Not even the progressive European countries allow this?

Yes fine with. We need to add fresh blood to this country. Too many have become dependent on the state.julook at the republicans party.

Because the thousands of illegals won’t be dependent on the state at all.

DC is now drowning. Hotel space filled, migrants refusing to leave.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone actually support letting in 8000 migrants a day??? Or possibly even double that with what our actually capacity it to process, house, or even deport them.

What other country in the world would even allow this? Not even the progressive European countries allow this?

Yes fine with. We need to add fresh blood to this country. Too many have become dependent on the state.julook at the republicans party.

Because the thousands of illegals won’t be dependent on the state at all.

You mean Millions…

Yes definitely. I stand corrected.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Illegal immigrants are about 10% of the population. This will jump to about 15% under Biden.

Oh, we're doing made-up statistics?

No, illegals don't make up anywhere near 10% of the population, nor is it heading to 15%.

Whoever told you that is 100% full of crap (in this case, the 100% is not a made-up statistic).

It is actually 15% of the population. You just look incredibly ignorant. -DP

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/percentage-of-illegal-immigrants-by-country

There is no citation for this data. Choose better sources.

Here you go.

MIT and Yale are pretty credible.

This was also 5 years ago and the numbers are even higher.

Your welcome.

https://thehill.com/latino/407848-yale-mit-study-22-million-not-11-million-undocumented-immigrants-in-us/amp/

The paper says it's a simulation, and its inputs are based on highly unreliable numbers - and its outputs vary wildly by millions.

I wouldn't call it terribly reliable.

[Anonymous]

I'm in favor of helping refugees who genuinely need it but one big issue in the US is that we actually don't have capacity.

We have a housing shortage, of 7.3 million homes. https://nlihc.org/news/nlihc-releases-gap-2023-shortage-affordable-homes

There's no place to put anyone.

I'm glad that a deal was made for Mexico to accept migrants - https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mexico-agrees-accept-non-mexican-migrants-deported-by-us/

We should reinforce and solidify that deal with funding and support to Mexico. Along with communicating to countries sending migrants that there really isn't anything here for them, and that people promising them a future in the US are lying to them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm in favor of helping refugees who genuinely need it but one big issue in the US is that we actually don't have capacity.

We have a housing shortage, of 7.3 million homes. https://nlihc.org/news/nlihc-releases-gap-2023-shortage-affordable-homes

There's no place to put anyone.

I'm glad that a deal was made for Mexico to accept migrants - https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mexico-agrees-accept-non-mexican-migrants-deported-by-us/

We should reinforce and solidify that deal with funding and support to Mexico. Along with communicating to countries sending migrants that there really isn't anything here for them, and that people promising them a future in the US are lying to them.

And we need to work with Mexico to help them smash the cartels. It's not just the drugs, moving migrants is big business for them and they are the biggest marketers of lies to the migrants.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone actually support letting in 8000 migrants a day??? Or possibly even double that with what our actually capacity it to process, house, or even deport them.

What other country in the world would even allow this? Not even the progressive European countries allow this?

I support immigration. I do think the rate has to be limited. I have no idea what number we can reasonably absorb and support, but I know there is a limiting factor. I can remember the flood of Syrian refugees throwing some European economies into crisis, purely because of their volume, which I think had a destabilizing effect on the EU as a whole.

Once we determine the “correct” number for immigration, then we need to determine how to allot it. I do believe in the Statue of Liberty’s promise. I do believe that most of the people crossing the border sincerely want to build a better life for themselves and their families. I think most of them would eventually make wonderful citizens. Do I think they’d make better citizens than those who follow our immigration procedures, jump through all our hoops, and still wait years for their turn? Would they be better citizens than the Syrian refugees, or the Ukrainian refugees? How about Haitian refugees? Sudan suffered through years of genocide and seems to be destabilizing, I bet there are a lot of desperate people there who would be good citizens. Here’s a crazy idea, how about we make good on our promises to the Afghans who helped us, putting themselves and their while families at risk, because I bet they’d be good citizens too. Maybe we could really go wild and start by granting citizenship to American Samoans - they’ve been good Americans for generations, they’d probably be good citizens too.

The point is, that unless you think we can just open our borders and allow unlimited immigration, hard choices have to be made. There are desperate people all over the world, who would jump at the chance to be good US citizens, because their likely alternative is death. Do we want to limit immigration to Mexican nationals or those coming over our southern border, as a type of good neighbor policy? That’s probably the most racist option available, but from a practical standpoint, it has a certain logic. If that’s going to be our policy, let’s state it and stand behind it. Even if we apportion 100% of our immigration quota to immigration from Mexico, I am dubious that we can accommodate 100% of those wanting to come.

Moreover, we should either enforce our immigration procedures or drop them. It seems like our most common method immigration has become:
1. Sneak over the border.
2. Hide for years from official notice.
3. Wait for an amnesty.
This not only puts the illegal immigrants in tremendous danger, both in coming here and in trying to live here without the safeguards legal residents have, it is a cruel farce to those who are trying to immigrate the way we tell them they should.

Reasonable perspective. I once heard someone say something like "immigration enforcement is inherently inhumane but necessary" I think the currently confusion and incentives around the process only adds to the inhumane situation. I personally know undocumented people who add a tremendous amount of value to US economy, several of whom are job creators. But, not enforcing our laws will create additional problems and disincentives down the road. I hope that Biden and Congress can figure something out.