New development next to our over capacity ES

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Anonymous wrote:The county council has approved construction of a huge new apartment complex in our neighborhood, but our local ES is already over capacity with no new updates/improvements on the horizon. Do the council and MCPS talk to each other about this sort of thing? How do they approve these types of projects without having a plan on where the kids can go (besides adding portables which is not a solution). There doesn’t seem to be any thought as to the long term impacts to our schools……

Portables ARE the permanent solution in MCPS. County council loves them and has been using them for 45 years. Schools will always be overcrowded. The council loves the optics of looking like poor Montgomery county needs more money for its sad overcrowded schools.
Overcrowded schools are needed to get the budget increased every year. MCPS is then free to waste as much money as they like.
Next year schools will still be overcrowded and MCPS will go back and cry for more money again.

Many schools are undercrowded, but somehow we never talk about undercrowded schools on DCUM.

They could redraw boundaries every few years like Howard County does, and it would address most of the overcrowding and save all the money they spend leasing 400+ portable classrooms. But there's no political will to deal with the inevitable complaints from parents.

It would not address most of the overcrowding. It would address some of the overcrowding.

In fact, MCPS paid a consultant to look into this issue. Remember the boundary analysis, which some posters on DCUM kept trying to alarm and horrify everyone with?

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/departments/publicinfo/Boundary_Analysis/interim-report/02b_Utilization.pdf

Unfortunately the boundary analysis's numbers are no longer accurate. The data was already a year or two old even when the report came out. There have been building projects since, and more in progress now and about to start that will increase the overall capacity significantly.

Good grief. This was a district-wide boundary analysis. Things haven't changed that much, district-wide, in less than 5 years.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The county council has approved construction of a huge new apartment complex in our neighborhood, but our local ES is already over capacity with no new updates/improvements on the horizon. Do the council and MCPS talk to each other about this sort of thing? How do they approve these types of projects without having a plan on where the kids can go (besides adding portables which is not a solution). There doesn’t seem to be any thought as to the long term impacts to our schools……

Portables ARE the permanent solution in MCPS. County council loves them and has been using them for 45 years. Schools will always be overcrowded. The council loves the optics of looking like poor Montgomery county needs more money for its sad overcrowded schools.
Overcrowded schools are needed to get the budget increased every year. MCPS is then free to waste as much money as they like.
Next year schools will still be overcrowded and MCPS will go back and cry for more money again.

Many schools are undercrowded, but somehow we never talk about undercrowded schools on DCUM.

They could redraw boundaries every few years like Howard County does, and it would address most of the overcrowding and save all the money they spend leasing 400+ portable classrooms. But there's no political will to deal with the inevitable complaints from parents.

What happened the last time Howard County did that?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The county council has approved construction of a huge new apartment complex in our neighborhood, but our local ES is already over capacity with no new updates/improvements on the horizon. Do the council and MCPS talk to each other about this sort of thing? How do they approve these types of projects without having a plan on where the kids can go (besides adding portables which is not a solution). There doesn’t seem to be any thought as to the long term impacts to our schools……

Portables ARE the permanent solution in MCPS. County council loves them and has been using them for 45 years. Schools will always be overcrowded. The council loves the optics of looking like poor Montgomery county needs more money for its sad overcrowded schools.
Overcrowded schools are needed to get the budget increased every year. MCPS is then free to waste as much money as they like.
Next year schools will still be overcrowded and MCPS will go back and cry for more money again.

Many schools are undercrowded, but somehow we never talk about undercrowded schools on DCUM.

They could redraw boundaries every few years like Howard County does, and it would address most of the overcrowding and save all the money they spend leasing 400+ portable classrooms. But there's no political will to deal with the inevitable complaints from parents.

Sure, there might be a backlash, but they need to think of the greater good and just do it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The county council has approved construction of a huge new apartment complex in our neighborhood, but our local ES is already over capacity with no new updates/improvements on the horizon. Do the council and MCPS talk to each other about this sort of thing? How do they approve these types of projects without having a plan on where the kids can go (besides adding portables which is not a solution). There doesn’t seem to be any thought as to the long term impacts to our schools……

Portables ARE the permanent solution in MCPS. County council loves them and has been using them for 45 years. Schools will always be overcrowded. The council loves the optics of looking like poor Montgomery county needs more money for its sad overcrowded schools.
Overcrowded schools are needed to get the budget increased every year. MCPS is then free to waste as much money as they like.
Next year schools will still be overcrowded and MCPS will go back and cry for more money again.

This. Look at Einstein and RM. Permanent portables.

I agree hat the county council loves to ask for more money, while the BOE and MCPS waste so much money on useless initiatives.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They can change school boundaries to move some of the kids out of the boundary for the school that will be overcapacity to other schools. If those other schools will come over capacity, they do can have their boundaries changes. Ultimately this will trickle across the county and ideally schools that are under capacity will become closer to capacity, while schools that are over capacity will be brought down to capacity.

^ This. This year part of Bethesda Elementary’s former catchment area is now being bused to Somerset ES..

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Anonymous wrote:The county council has approved construction of a huge new apartment complex in our neighborhood, but our local ES is already over capacity with no new updates/improvements on the horizon. Do the council and MCPS talk to each other about this sort of thing? How do they approve these types of projects without having a plan on where the kids can go (besides adding portables which is not a solution). There doesn’t seem to be any thought as to the long term impacts to our schools……

Portables ARE the permanent solution in MCPS. County council loves them and has been using them for 45 years. Schools will always be overcrowded. The council loves the optics of looking like poor Montgomery county needs more money for its sad overcrowded schools.
Overcrowded schools are needed to get the budget increased every year. MCPS is then free to waste as much money as they like.
Next year schools will still be overcrowded and MCPS will go back and cry for more money again.

This. Look at Einstein and RM. Permanent portables.

I agree hat the county council loves to ask for more money, while the BOE and MCPS waste so much money on useless initiatives.

For example, the new high schools at Woodward and Crown...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The county council has approved construction of a huge new apartment complex in our neighborhood, but our local ES is already over capacity with no new updates/improvements on the horizon. Do the council and MCPS talk to each other about this sort of thing? How do they approve these types of projects without having a plan on where the kids can go (besides adding portables which is not a solution). There doesn’t seem to be any thought as to the long term impacts to our schools……

Portables ARE the permanent solution in MCPS. County council loves them and has been using them for 45 years. Schools will always be overcrowded. The council loves the optics of looking like poor Montgomery county needs more money for its sad overcrowded schools.
Overcrowded schools are needed to get the budget increased every year. MCPS is then free to waste as much money as they like.
Next year schools will still be overcrowded and MCPS will go back and cry for more money again.

Many schools are undercrowded, but somehow we never talk about undercrowded schools on DCUM.

They could redraw boundaries every few years like Howard County does, and it would address most of the overcrowding and save all the money they spend leasing 400+ portable classrooms. But there's no political will to deal with the inevitable complaints from parents.

It would not address most of the overcrowding. It would address some of the overcrowding.

In fact, MCPS paid a consultant to look into this issue. Remember the boundary analysis, which some posters on DCUM kept trying to alarm and horrify everyone with?

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/departments/publicinfo/Boundary_Analysis/interim-report/02b_Utilization.pdf

Unfortunately the boundary analysis's numbers are no longer accurate. The data was already a year or two old even when the report came out. There have been building projects since, and more in progress now and about to start that will increase the overall capacity significantly.

Good grief. This was a district-wide boundary analysis. Things haven't changed that much, district-wide, in less than 5 years.

Yes, they actually have.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The county council has approved construction of a huge new apartment complex in our neighborhood, but our local ES is already over capacity with no new updates/improvements on the horizon. Do the council and MCPS talk to each other about this sort of thing? How do they approve these types of projects without having a plan on where the kids can go (besides adding portables which is not a solution). There doesn’t seem to be any thought as to the long term impacts to our schools……

Portables ARE the permanent solution in MCPS. County council loves them and has been using them for 45 years. Schools will always be overcrowded. The council loves the optics of looking like poor Montgomery county needs more money for its sad overcrowded schools.
Overcrowded schools are needed to get the budget increased every year. MCPS is then free to waste as much money as they like.
Next year schools will still be overcrowded and MCPS will go back and cry for more money again.

This. Look at Einstein and RM. Permanent portables.

I agree hat the county council loves to ask for more money, while the BOE and MCPS waste so much money on useless initiatives.

For example, the new high schools at Woodward and Crown...

They're probably talking about the endless antibias audits and studies that never go anywhere or emotional wellness programs like Leader in me.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The county council has approved construction of a huge new apartment complex in our neighborhood, but our local ES is already over capacity with no new updates/improvements on the horizon. Do the council and MCPS talk to each other about this sort of thing? How do they approve these types of projects without having a plan on where the kids can go (besides adding portables which is not a solution). There doesn’t seem to be any thought as to the long term impacts to our schools……

Portables ARE the permanent solution in MCPS. County council loves them and has been using them for 45 years. Schools will always be overcrowded. The council loves the optics of looking like poor Montgomery county needs more money for its sad overcrowded schools.
Overcrowded schools are needed to get the budget increased every year. MCPS is then free to waste as much money as they like.
Next year schools will still be overcrowded and MCPS will go back and cry for more money again.

Many schools are undercrowded, but somehow we never talk about undercrowded schools on DCUM.

They could redraw boundaries every few years like Howard County does, and it would address most of the overcrowding and save all the money they spend leasing 400+ portable classrooms. But there's no political will to deal with the inevitable complaints from parents.

What happened the last time Howard County did that?

People complained, and they changed the boundaries anyway.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The county council has approved construction of a huge new apartment complex in our neighborhood, but our local ES is already over capacity with no new updates/improvements on the horizon. Do the council and MCPS talk to each other about this sort of thing? How do they approve these types of projects without having a plan on where the kids can go (besides adding portables which is not a solution). There doesn’t seem to be any thought as to the long term impacts to our schools……

Portables ARE the permanent solution in MCPS. County council loves them and has been using them for 45 years. Schools will always be overcrowded. The council loves the optics of looking like poor Montgomery county needs more money for its sad overcrowded schools.
Overcrowded schools are needed to get the budget increased every year. MCPS is then free to waste as much money as they like.
Next year schools will still be overcrowded and MCPS will go back and cry for more money again.

This. Look at Einstein and RM. Permanent portables.

I agree hat the county council loves to ask for more money, while the BOE and MCPS waste so much money on useless initiatives.

For example, the new high schools at Woodward and Crown...

They're probably talking about the endless antibias audits and studies that never go anywhere or emotional wellness programs like Leader in me.

The PP was specifically complaining about capacity at Einstein and RM. What is MCPS doing about capacity at Einstein and RM? Building two new high schools, and using the boundary analysis to help define the scope of the boundary studies.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The county council has approved construction of a huge new apartment complex in our neighborhood, but our local ES is already over capacity with no new updates/improvements on the horizon. Do the council and MCPS talk to each other about this sort of thing? How do they approve these types of projects without having a plan on where the kids can go (besides adding portables which is not a solution). There doesn’t seem to be any thought as to the long term impacts to our schools……

Portables ARE the permanent solution in MCPS. County council loves them and has been using them for 45 years. Schools will always be overcrowded. The council loves the optics of looking like poor Montgomery county needs more money for its sad overcrowded schools.
Overcrowded schools are needed to get the budget increased every year. MCPS is then free to waste as much money as they like.
Next year schools will still be overcrowded and MCPS will go back and cry for more money again.

Many schools are undercrowded, but somehow we never talk about undercrowded schools on DCUM.

They could redraw boundaries every few years like Howard County does, and it would address most of the overcrowding and save all the money they spend leasing 400+ portable classrooms. But there's no political will to deal with the inevitable complaints from parents.

MCPS being hesitant to do this is why the planning board and council gave up on moratoria.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The county council has approved construction of a huge new apartment complex in our neighborhood, but our local ES is already over capacity with no new updates/improvements on the horizon. Do the council and MCPS talk to each other about this sort of thing? How do they approve these types of projects without having a plan on where the kids can go (besides adding portables which is not a solution). There doesn’t seem to be any thought as to the long term impacts to our schools……

Portables ARE the permanent solution in MCPS. County council loves them and has been using them for 45 years. Schools will always be overcrowded. The council loves the optics of looking like poor Montgomery county needs more money for its sad overcrowded schools.
Overcrowded schools are needed to get the budget increased every year. MCPS is then free to waste as much money as they like.
Next year schools will still be overcrowded and MCPS will go back and cry for more money again.

This. Look at Einstein and RM. Permanent portables.

I agree hat the county council loves to ask for more money, while the BOE and MCPS waste so much money on useless initiatives.

For example, the new high schools at Woodward and Crown...

They're probably talking about the endless antibias audits and studies that never go anywhere or emotional wellness programs like Leader in me.

Both will open over capacity.

[Anonymous]

The lying brain trust on the planning board held new construction and did a study to determine if new construction was causing school overcrowding and then, incredulously, determined it did not.

So they lifted the moratorium and you people keep voting for the same clowns. So enjoy the overcrowding and everything that comes with it

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The county council has approved construction of a huge new apartment complex in our neighborhood, but our local ES is already over capacity with no new updates/improvements on the horizon. Do the council and MCPS talk to each other about this sort of thing? How do they approve these types of projects without having a plan on where the kids can go (besides adding portables which is not a solution). There doesn’t seem to be any thought as to the long term impacts to our schools……

Portables ARE the permanent solution in MCPS. County council loves them and has been using them for 45 years. Schools will always be overcrowded. The council loves the optics of looking like poor Montgomery county needs more money for its sad overcrowded schools.
Overcrowded schools are needed to get the budget increased every year. MCPS is then free to waste as much money as they like.
Next year schools will still be overcrowded and MCPS will go back and cry for more money again.

This. Look at Einstein and RM. Permanent portables.

I agree hat the county council loves to ask for more money, while the BOE and MCPS waste so much money on useless initiatives.

For example, the new high schools at Woodward and Crown...

They're probably talking about the endless antibias audits and studies that never go anywhere or emotional wellness programs like Leader in me.

Both will open over capacity.

No school opens over capacity.

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Anonymous wrote:I think these new developments have to pay into a fund to help offset the costs of things like schools, but typically the county council exempts their developer pals since they help finance their reelection bids. In a few areas, there have been moratoriums on new development since the schools are already overcapacity but they also often waive that.

Can you tell us more about that? I know many on the county council accept a lot of money from realtors. Kind of a conflict of interest if they are then able to waive these much needed fees that then go towards schools….

More about impact taxes: https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/DPS/Resources/Files/Fees/UPP-Rates-Handout.pdf

I’m not sure what this is saying. Is this what residents pay/should be paying based on the type and location of their home? Do developers pay these fees or are they waived by the council (as some have mentioned already)? A little more context would be helpful.