High School - MLS NEXT again

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Play whatever sport you want and don't advertise it. If your kid is able to function and show up for both, nobody is going to have a problem with it except for Karens trying to create conflict. Nobody owns these kids. Until someone gives my son something in return (scholarship or salary), nobody controls what he does in his time outside of club-related activities. If you're on scholarship of getting your club fees covered, different story.

Well he’s not going to have that happen playing high school lol

Actually you're being short sighted. At Bethesda there are several kids who are at private schools on scholarship for soccer and they have to work out an arrangement with the club. Rare case, yes. But it happens.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Play whatever sport you want and don't advertise it. If your kid is able to function and show up for both, nobody is going to have a problem with it except for Karens trying to create conflict. Nobody owns these kids. Until someone gives my son something in return (scholarship or salary), nobody controls what he does in his time outside of club-related activities. If you're on scholarship of getting your club fees covered, different story.

Well he’s not going to have that happen playing high school lol

Actually you're being short sighted. At Bethesda there are several kids who are at private schools on scholarship for soccer and they have to work out an arrangement with the club. Rare case, yes. But it happens.

First of all, there are few, very few, doing this. And get real, they are lying about being on scholarship. They aren’t getting scholarship. The majority are full pay. Some might get some financial aid like a bunch of kids who aren’t athletes. But they aren’t going around offering soccer scholarships to boys at these schools. They certainly are luring football and basketball players, not soccer. They don’t need to for soccer. They get a good pool from just normal applicants every year without having to recruit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: I've seen too many lopsided games where 1-2 MLSNext players dominate the game and it's unfair to the rest of the kids.

I call BS. All the MLSN players are sitting on the bench because stupid Chemistry teachers want to play physical, over-the-top bullyball.

At least that's what DCUM told me. <rolleyes>

I call BS because very very few mlsnext players choose to play HS soccer. It’s too sh@tty. There isn’t enough time and the risk of injury is great. Perhaps some of the kids that ride the bench on their mlsnext team might, but the top players aren’t. A kid serious about playing at the next level will avoid HS play.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Philly Union is not Bethesda, SYC, Achilles or Alexandria. It’s not even MLS Next Let’s use some realistic examples that a competitive soccer player in Virginia might consider.

When there are clubs that are equal caliber to each other (ie- MLS- SYC or Alexandria or Achilles vs VDA or Arlington or Richmond) then yeah some kids might actually prefer to play where they are able to have the high school soccer experience in addition to a competitive one).

Considering the short HS season, poor quality of training/games plus high incidents of injuries, is it safe to say that anyone who prioritizes HS soccer over MLS Next isn't really serious about soccer?
But more into the social aspect.

Yes. Fair.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: I've seen too many lopsided games where 1-2 MLSNext players dominate the game and it's unfair to the rest of the kids.

I call BS. All the MLSN players are sitting on the bench because stupid Chemistry teachers want to play physical, over-the-top bullyball.

At least that's what DCUM told me. <rolleyes>

I call BS because very very few mlsnext players choose to play HS soccer. It’s too sh@tty. There isn’t enough time and the risk of injury is great. Perhaps some of the kids that ride the bench on their mlsnext team might, but the top players aren’t. A kid serious about playing at the next level will avoid HS play.

In VA there were a whole bunch of them playing last spring. I don’t know that any DCU kids were playing, but definitely did in past years. There is an 18 yo who is now on Loudoun United. He was a top DCU Academy player and he played HS a couple of years ago and used to play all over the place - indoor, guest play, pick up. He is a baller…and ballers want to ball.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: I've seen too many lopsided games where 1-2 MLSNext players dominate the game and it's unfair to the rest of the kids.

I call BS. All the MLSN players are sitting on the bench because stupid Chemistry teachers want to play physical, over-the-top bullyball.

At least that's what DCUM told me. <rolleyes>

I call BS because very very few mlsnext players choose to play HS soccer. It’s too sh@tty. There isn’t enough time and the risk of injury is great. Perhaps some of the kids that ride the bench on their mlsnext team might, but the top players aren’t. A kid serious about playing at the next level will avoid HS play.

In VA there were a whole bunch of them playing last spring. I don’t know that any DCU kids were playing, but definitely did in past years. There is an 18 yo who is now on Loudoun United. He was a top DCU Academy player and he played HS a couple of years ago and used to play all over the place - indoor, guest play, pick up. He is a baller…and ballers want to ball.

It's not uncommon in Maryland too. Could name 4-5 kids on different teams off the top of my head.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: I've seen too many lopsided games where 1-2 MLSNext players dominate the game and it's unfair to the rest of the kids.

I call BS. All the MLSN players are sitting on the bench because stupid Chemistry teachers want to play physical, over-the-top bullyball.

At least that's what DCUM told me. <rolleyes>

I call BS because very very few mlsnext players choose to play HS soccer. It’s too sh@tty. There isn’t enough time and the risk of injury is great. Perhaps some of the kids that ride the bench on their mlsnext team might, but the top players aren’t. A kid serious about playing at the next level will avoid HS play.

In VA there were a whole bunch of them playing last spring. I don’t know that any DCU kids were playing, but definitely did in past years. There is an 18 yo who is now on Loudoun United. He was a top DCU Academy player and he played HS a couple of years ago and used to play all over the place - indoor, guest play, pick up. He is a baller…and ballers want to ball.

He's 18 and "played a couple of years ago". That is the pattern if they play at all that I see. They might do it Freshmen, sophomore year when demands are less and academics aren't ramped up yet, but the ones at our school focused solely on mlsnext in their recruiting years/jr and sr year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: I've seen too many lopsided games where 1-2 MLSNext players dominate the game and it's unfair to the rest of the kids.

I call BS. All the MLSN players are sitting on the bench because stupid Chemistry teachers want to play physical, over-the-top bullyball.

At least that's what DCUM told me. <rolleyes>

I call BS because very very few mlsnext players choose to play HS soccer. It’s too sh@tty. There isn’t enough time and the risk of injury is great. Perhaps some of the kids that ride the bench on their mlsnext team might, but the top players aren’t. A kid serious about playing at the next level will avoid HS play.

In VA there were a whole bunch of them playing last spring. I don’t know that any DCU kids were playing, but definitely did in past years. There is an 18 yo who is now on Loudoun United. He was a top DCU Academy player and he played HS a couple of years ago and used to play all over the place - indoor, guest play, pick up. He is a baller…and ballers want to ball.

He's 18 and "played a couple of years ago". That is the pattern if they play at all that I see. They might do it Freshmen, sophomore year when demands are less and academics aren't ramped up yet, but the ones at our school focused solely on mlsnext in their recruiting years/jr and sr year.

You might be right. I know of a number of MLSNext players playing high school but they are all freshman or sophomores.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: I've seen too many lopsided games where 1-2 MLSNext players dominate the game and it's unfair to the rest of the kids.

I call BS. All the MLSN players are sitting on the bench because stupid Chemistry teachers want to play physical, over-the-top bullyball.

At least that's what DCUM told me. <rolleyes>

I call BS because very very few mlsnext players choose to play HS soccer. It’s too sh@tty. There isn’t enough time and the risk of injury is great. Perhaps some of the kids that ride the bench on their mlsnext team might, but the top players aren’t. A kid serious about playing at the next level will avoid HS play.

In VA there were a whole bunch of them playing last spring. I don’t know that any DCU kids were playing, but definitely did in past years. There is an 18 yo who is now on Loudoun United. He was a top DCU Academy player and he played HS a couple of years ago and used to play all over the place - indoor, guest play, pick up. He is a baller…and ballers want to ball.

He's 18 and "played a couple of years ago". That is the pattern if they play at all that I see. They might do it Freshmen, sophomore year when demands are less and academics aren't ramped up yet, but the ones at our school focused solely on mlsnext in their recruiting years/jr and sr year.

He’s been on Loudoun United the last 2 years. Juniors and Seniors who are trying to go places need to get out of the youth leagues. No point in continuing to play only with kids.

[Anonymous]

At our FCPS HS regional game this past spring, there was a player for the opposing team that skipped school to attend the MLS Flex showcase at the soccerplex and then ran late to the HS stadium to play the HS regional game. Kid announced it as he was running in.

Two fouls for that player - playing in HS game when not attending school that day and thr MLS Next rule about playing HS, never mind both in the same day. Looking at you SYC.

[Anonymous]

Can a kid be selected for an MLS Next team in August, but only play on that team in the spring so that he can play high school soccer in the fall? Assume a waiver does not apply -- is this allowed under the MLS Next rules?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can a kid be selected for an MLS Next team in August, but only play on that team in the spring so that he can play high school soccer in the fall? Assume a waiver does not apply -- is this allowed under the MLS Next rules?

I don’t see why not but the more relevant question is whether the kid is good enough for the MLSNext team that they’ll let you keep a spot for just half a year. I don’t think they can have more than 24 or 25 on the team.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can a kid be selected for an MLS Next team in August, but only play on that team in the spring so that he can play high school soccer in the fall? Assume a waiver does not apply -- is this allowed under the MLS Next rules?

I don’t see why not but the more relevant question is whether the kid is good enough for the MLSNext team that they’ll let you keep a spot for just half a year. I don’t think they can have more than 24 or 25 on the team.

Thanks. A local DMV club does in fact do this -- they have a roster of 24 kids, but about 6-8 of them only play in the spring so they can play high school soccer in the fall. For this club, it is not a matter if the players are good enough, but rather this is the only way the club can field a team.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can a kid be selected for an MLS Next team in August, but only play on that team in the spring so that he can play high school soccer in the fall? Assume a waiver does not apply -- is this allowed under the MLS Next rules?

I don’t see why not but the more relevant question is whether the kid is good enough for the MLSNext team that they’ll let you keep a spot for just half a year. I don’t think they can have more than 24 or 25 on the team.

More relevant is how much the kids that miss Fall season for HS soccer get —and it adds up over time. The older U17/18/19 mlsnext years are pretty critical and going to play subpar ball with zero game competition 5 days/nights a week for 3 months instead of mlsnext—-I’ve seen kids over 2 years get considerably worse and not progress

You can’t give 80% to one team and 20% the other or even 50% and 50%. The team gets short changed. At that level there are too many committed mlsnext caliber players to come in and take that spot away…unless of course you are one of those clubs that is less about talent and more your connection/relationships.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can a kid be selected for an MLS Next team in August, but only play on that team in the spring so that he can play high school soccer in the fall? Assume a waiver does not apply -- is this allowed under the MLS Next rules?

I don’t see why not but the more relevant question is whether the kid is good enough for the MLSNext team that they’ll let you keep a spot for just half a year. I don’t think they can have more than 24 or 25 on the team.

More relevant is how much the kids that miss Fall season for HS soccer get —and it adds up over time. The older U17/18/19 mlsnext years are pretty critical and going to play subpar ball with zero game competition 5 days/nights a week for 3 months instead of mlsnext—-I’ve seen kids over 2 years get considerably worse and not progress

You can’t give 80% to one team and 20% the other or even 50% and 50%. The team gets short changed. At that level there are too many committed mlsnext caliber players to come in and take that spot away…unless of course you are one of those clubs that is less about talent and more your connection/relationships.

You're right. But this club is unusual -- the coach for the MLS Next team owns the club and also is the head coach for a high school team. Many kids from the high school team play on his MLS Next team. Huge conflict of interest.