Teachers Resigning Like Crazy?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We talked about this, IMO it shouldn’t be allowed, and they shouldn’t be doing it if they care about the kids. My DS bio teacher quit after winter break.

Sorry for your kid; the martyr complex you place on teachers might have been a contributing cause.

Yes, their mental and physical health is more important than a job. They have to choose themselves first.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My prediction is we're going to get to essentially a nationwide teacher crisis, which could show in a ton of ways (absurdly high/dangerous class sizes, allowing people with no qualifications teach, have an "aide" watch a class for half the day so a teacher does essentially two classes at once). Only once it reaches truly crisis levels will there be enough pressure on state and local governments to shift their thinking on teachers, dramatically increase teacher pay, and start treating teachers like professionals.

The "pink collar" issue for teachers is terrible - basically, we're still treating teachers like they're women who want to earn a little pocket money and get out of the house while their husbands are supporting the family, rather than like the professionals they are. Major disruption is needed. On the whole, this will be a positive change for society, but the kids who have to deal with this situation in the meantime are kinda screwed.

And for those who are thinking "we're there! This is a crisis!" - No. It can get much, much worse, and it'll have to for the kind of change I'm talking about. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

Paying teachers more and treating them like professionals will only compensate them for their troubles, and Im in favor of that to an extent, but it wont fix the troubles. Teachers can only do what the law/policies allow. So their hands are tied in some of this. But even if we went back to more disciplined student model of yesterday, bad kids would still be a product of their parenting. I guess at least schools could kick them out with more ease. But it definitely doesnt "fix" it. This starts and ends at home.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From what I've witnessed kids are behaving better this year than at the beginning of the 2021-22 school year, when middle school students and 9th graders seemed particularly feral. It's just going to take some time given the disruption to learning and development. Parents can't expect teachers to be miracle workers nor can teachers expect parents to have fully compensated for the disruption forced upon them by the public schools. What the teachers can and should do is push back against the refusal of school administrators to discipline students or the imposition of oppressive training and ongoing reporting requirements that interferes with their ability to function effectively in a classroom.

Parents are fed up with this too. I feel like no one is listening.

I think school administrators are hesitant to discipline because parents are quick to sue and usually win. Too bad teachers can't sue to make sure that their workplaces are safe.

No, they aren’t. They are hesitant to discipline because county leadership and ridiculous people like NAACP Education Chair Sujatha Hampton (herself, a pampered Langley parent) are going to criticize them if there are disparities in the suspension or expulsion rates among different student cohorts at individual schools or within FCPS as a whole.

Agree that both entitled parents who fight any consequences for their kids and far left forces like Sujatha focused only on proportionality are to blame for this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My prediction is we're going to get to essentially a nationwide teacher crisis, which could show in a ton of ways (absurdly high/dangerous class sizes, allowing people with no qualifications teach, have an "aide" watch a class for half the day so a teacher does essentially two classes at once). Only once it reaches truly crisis levels will there be enough pressure on state and local governments to shift their thinking on teachers, dramatically increase teacher pay, and start treating teachers like professionals.

The "pink collar" issue for teachers is terrible - basically, we're still treating teachers like they're women who want to earn a little pocket money and get out of the house while their husbands are supporting the family, rather than like the professionals they are. Major disruption is needed. On the whole, this will be a positive change for society, but the kids who have to deal with this situation in the meantime are kinda screwed.

And for those who are thinking "we're there! This is a crisis!" - No. It can get much, much worse, and it'll have to for the kind of change I'm talking about. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

Disruption is the right word.

I think there are two approaches. Privatizing the hell out of schools to make money while making the system even crappier until people are just resigned to education being terrible like healthcare or doing what you just said. My guess is the former will win.

The wildcard is, of course, real estate. A lot of value is tied up in school quality. I don't know how people will navigate voting for politicians who want to turn their schools into crap and tank their real estate value.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My prediction is we're going to get to essentially a nationwide teacher crisis, which could show in a ton of ways (absurdly high/dangerous class sizes, allowing people with no qualifications teach, have an "aide" watch a class for half the day so a teacher does essentially two classes at once). Only once it reaches truly crisis levels will there be enough pressure on state and local governments to shift their thinking on teachers, dramatically increase teacher pay, and start treating teachers like professionals.

The "pink collar" issue for teachers is terrible - basically, we're still treating teachers like they're women who want to earn a little pocket money and get out of the house while their husbands are supporting the family, rather than like the professionals they are. Major disruption is needed. On the whole, this will be a positive change for society, but the kids who have to deal with this situation in the meantime are kinda screwed.

And for those who are thinking "we're there! This is a crisis!" - No. It can get much, much worse, and it'll have to for the kind of change I'm talking about. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

Aren't most public-school teachers making around the median average for the local area per person? I think our starting salary in white collar is $45k. Maybe $50k in hard times. Right out of college. Teachers have better benefit and start above this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My prediction is we're going to get to essentially a nationwide teacher crisis, which could show in a ton of ways (absurdly high/dangerous class sizes, allowing people with no qualifications teach, have an "aide" watch a class for half the day so a teacher does essentially two classes at once). Only once it reaches truly crisis levels will there be enough pressure on state and local governments to shift their thinking on teachers, dramatically increase teacher pay, and start treating teachers like professionals.

The "pink collar" issue for teachers is terrible - basically, we're still treating teachers like they're women who want to earn a little pocket money and get out of the house while their husbands are supporting the family, rather than like the professionals they are. Major disruption is needed. On the whole, this will be a positive change for society, but the kids who have to deal with this situation in the meantime are kinda screwed.

And for those who are thinking "we're there! This is a crisis!" - No. It can get much, much worse, and it'll have to for the kind of change I'm talking about. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

Aren't most public-school teachers making around the median average for the local area per person? I think our starting salary in white collar is $45k. Maybe $50k in hard times. Right out of college. Teachers have better benefit and start above this.

Okay but everyone who left my department in the last 3 years shared they got at least a 50% pay raise on day 1 of the new job. Hard to say $70k is good when you can get paid $110 with no additional education doing something else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My prediction is we're going to get to essentially a nationwide teacher crisis, which could show in a ton of ways (absurdly high/dangerous class sizes, allowing people with no qualifications teach, have an "aide" watch a class for half the day so a teacher does essentially two classes at once). Only once it reaches truly crisis levels will there be enough pressure on state and local governments to shift their thinking on teachers, dramatically increase teacher pay, and start treating teachers like professionals.

The "pink collar" issue for teachers is terrible - basically, we're still treating teachers like they're women who want to earn a little pocket money and get out of the house while their husbands are supporting the family, rather than like the professionals they are. Major disruption is needed. On the whole, this will be a positive change for society, but the kids who have to deal with this situation in the meantime are kinda screwed.

And for those who are thinking "we're there! This is a crisis!" - No. It can get much, much worse, and it'll have to for the kind of change I'm talking about. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

We're already there. These things are happening. We've got classes well over 30 where there's not enough desks even for the kids to sit, people with no qualifications teaching, teachers with no special education license or endorsement teaching special education classes b/c we literally cannot even find special ed teachers anymore, etc. It's a nightmare *now* and will get worse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is this happening anywhere else? My DC's ES has has have five teachers resign mid year. Is this normal? What is happening?!

And then doing what for income?? Waitressing?
going back to school?
They are not qualified for anything else

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From what I've witnessed kids are behaving better this year than at the beginning of the 2021-22 school year, when middle school students and 9th graders seemed particularly feral. It's just going to take some time given the disruption to learning and development. Parents can't expect teachers to be miracle workers nor can teachers expect parents to have fully compensated for the disruption forced upon them by the public schools. What the teachers can and should do is push back against the refusal of school administrators to discipline students or the imposition of oppressive training and ongoing reporting requirements that interferes with their ability to function effectively in a classroom.

Parents are fed up with this too. I feel like no one is listening.

I think school administrators are hesitant to discipline because parents are quick to sue and usually win. Too bad teachers can't sue to make sure that their workplaces are safe.

Where in Fairfax County have parents sued and won because of a discipline issue?

Anyone? Or is this a blatant lie?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is this happening anywhere else? My DC's ES has has have five teachers resign mid year. Is this normal? What is happening?!

And then doing what for income?? Waitressing?
going back to school?
They are not qualified for anything else

Just stop- you're trolling

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We talked about this, IMO it shouldn’t be allowed, and they shouldn’t be doing it if they care about the kids. My DS bio teacher quit after winter break.

Sorry for your kid; the martyr complex you place on teachers might have been a contributing cause.

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You don't know why the teacher left, and it is none of your business. I don't blame the teacher for leaving if parents were acting like the PP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is this happening anywhere else? My DC's ES has has have five teachers resign mid year. Is this normal? What is happening?!

And then doing what for income?? Waitressing?
going back to school?
They are not qualified for anything else

Excuse me? They aren't qualified for anything else?

What is wrong with you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is this happening anywhere else? My DC's ES has has have five teachers resign mid year. Is this normal? What is happening?!

And then doing what for income?? Waitressing?
going back to school?
They are not qualified for anything else

I earn more as a professional nanny.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When I bring my daughter to toddler storytime at the library the behaviors and parenting is shocking. We dont go anymore after a boy kept putting hands on my daughter. I know they are toddlers but parents/caregivers are all there and everyone is too busy on their phones and not actually present.

Fast forward a few years and put them in a school building without parents and I am afraid if what that will look like.

Things are out of control. You see it everywhere. Teachers are abused and are not paid enough to stay I get it.

I really think this is the crux of it. Parents are checked out these days, and they let their kids check out on electronics. If you look at research on how parents shape their kids' behavior, it's through interaction. When parents aren't interacting with their kids as much, the chance to shape their behavior is lost. I go to the grocery store and I see toddlers in the cart zoned out on a tablet. I am all for parents getting a quiet moment to themselves, but all those times parents do that kind of thing are missed opportunities to talk to their children, explain things, observe their behavior, and make corrections as needed. Sure the kid is quiet and well-behaved when they're watching a screen. But they certainly aren't learning how to act in the world when there's not a screen in front of them. I am not a no-screens parent by any means, it just feels like screens have become many people's first resort instead of a last resort when out in public. I can only imagine the same and more is happening at home.

I've also seen the poor behavior a PP described at sports practices. My kid's coach got really mad at the team about it one day, and wrote a message to the parents. He followed up privately to us saying the message was not directed at my child, which was nice to hear. He has his moments but I like to think we have raised him to respect other adults. But I am surprised at what I see in our very UMC area. I really think it's the screens. One day practice had to be paused to wait for a storm to leave the area. 99% of the kids immediately asked for their parents' phones. God forbid they talk to each other, or just wait quietly until practice can resume. Every day these screens are chipping away at kids' ability to self-regulate, interact with adults and each other. Covid made it so much worse because everyone was stuck at home and probably formed permanent habits with respect to type and frequency of screen time. I don't know how we come back from this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My prediction is we're going to get to essentially a nationwide teacher crisis, which could show in a ton of ways (absurdly high/dangerous class sizes, allowing people with no qualifications teach, have an "aide" watch a class for half the day so a teacher does essentially two classes at once). Only once it reaches truly crisis levels will there be enough pressure on state and local governments to shift their thinking on teachers, dramatically increase teacher pay, and start treating teachers like professionals.

The "pink collar" issue for teachers is terrible - basically, we're still treating teachers like they're women who want to earn a little pocket money and get out of the house while their husbands are supporting the family, rather than like the professionals they are. Major disruption is needed. On the whole, this will be a positive change for society, but the kids who have to deal with this situation in the meantime are kinda screwed.

And for those who are thinking "we're there! This is a crisis!" - No. It can get much, much worse, and it'll have to for the kind of change I'm talking about. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

Aren't most public-school teachers making around the median average for the local area per person? I think our starting salary in white collar is $45k. Maybe $50k in hard times. Right out of college. Teachers have better benefit and start above this.

My sister and her best friend both graduated from college with a BS in chemistry, and both got a MS in a subset of chemistry. My sister then added a teaching license on top of that. Her friend did not.

When they both began their careers, my sister was making $40K teaching HS chemistry, while her friend was making $75K working for a private research company.

Now, X-years into their careers, my sister, who now has two Masters degrees, is making less than $90K, while her friend (working for the same company she's worked for for X-years) is making well over $250K.

Obviously teachers aren't making what others are.

Plus, very few teachers are only Bachelors-prepared. Most have at least one advanced degree. Therefore looking at what they make "straight out of college" is a skewed view.