DC taking dead national issues and making them local

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Anonymous wrote:They're not banning gas stoves in D.C., anyway, they're proposing an incentive for households who earn less than $80,000 to replace them.

The studies notwithstanding, the more we can shift to electric power instead of gas, the better for climate change — making the electric grid greener is far easier than mitigating the effects of burning natural gas.

Also, it's possible that the D.C. Council is doing this because they think it's a good idea on the merits, not to be part of The Discourse?

I don't see this as serious with an income limit of $80k. How many families in that income range even own a home in DC? Or is this a giveaway to the Georgetown people who have no income but lots of assets?

Easy, it's for elderly/retired people. Their income can own a home and have an income below 80k anywhere in the city. I'm pro getting rid of gas stoves, but this is a huge, expensive program by the city. Homeowners aren't the poor here, they own an asset!

Very clear that Allen has announced many such programs recently. The city is not planning ahead for 2025 when the $2 billion in federal funding disappears (and commercial real estate will be re-valued). $500 billion in surplus now, with a $2 billion subsidy, is a $1.5 billion shortfall soon.

I’m more curious what the plan is for when these cheap gas stoves they buy everyone inevitably break. Are they going to pay to fix/replace them too? I had a brand new induction stove top break within the first year of owning it and the guy who came to replace it said he sees it happen all the time.

Induction stoves are pricey to repair due to the additional electronics and limited parts . I suspect repairing a non-induction electric stove isn't much more complicated that repairing a gas stove. The only thing that really breaks are the heating elements. The following implies electric, probably non-induction, is cheaper to repair. Switching from gas to electric means a new dedicated appliance circuit. That's not going to be cheap since you should have the work done by a licensed electrician.


https://www.homeadvisor.com/cost/kitchens/oven-repair/

[Anonymous]

Gas stoves need to be banned, period.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Gas stoves need to be banned, period.

Pet ownership is worse for your home air quality than a gas stove. Let's get real people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They're not banning gas stoves in D.C., anyway, they're proposing an incentive for households who earn less than $80,000 to replace them.

The studies notwithstanding, the more we can shift to electric power instead of gas, the better for climate change — making the electric grid greener is far easier than mitigating the effects of burning natural gas.

Also, it's possible that the D.C. Council is doing this because they think it's a good idea on the merits, not to be part of The Discourse?

I don't see this as serious with an income limit of $80k. How many families in that income range even own a home in DC? Or is this a giveaway to the Georgetown people who have no income but lots of assets?

Easy, it's for elderly/retired people. Their income can own a home and have an income below 80k anywhere in the city. I'm pro getting rid of gas stoves, but this is a huge, expensive program by the city. Homeowners aren't the poor here, they own an asset!

Very clear that Allen has announced many such programs recently. The city is not planning ahead for 2025 when the $2 billion in federal funding disappears (and commercial real estate will be re-valued). $500 billion in surplus now, with a $2 billion subsidy, is a $1.5 billion shortfall soon.

The justification for this is to prevent childhood asthma not retired people's renos. A DC homeowner making $90k with kids isn't going to replace a gas stove based on studies unless it's a legit risk of death because they don't have the budget.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They're not banning gas stoves in D.C., anyway, they're proposing an incentive for households who earn less than $80,000 to replace them.

The studies notwithstanding, the more we can shift to electric power instead of gas, the better for climate change — making the electric grid greener is far easier than mitigating the effects of burning natural gas.

Also, it's possible that the D.C. Council is doing this because they think it's a good idea on the merits, not to be part of The Discourse?

I don't see this as serious with an income limit of $80k. How many families in that income range even own a home in DC? Or is this a giveaway to the Georgetown people who have no income but lots of assets?

Easy, it's for elderly/retired people. Their income can own a home and have an income below 80k anywhere in the city. I'm pro getting rid of gas stoves, but this is a huge, expensive program by the city. Homeowners aren't the poor here, they own an asset!

Very clear that Allen has announced many such programs recently. The city is not planning ahead for 2025 when the $2 billion in federal funding disappears (and commercial real estate will be re-valued). $500 billion in surplus now, with a $2 billion subsidy, is a $1.5 billion shortfall soon.

The justification for this is to prevent childhood asthma not retired people's renos. A DC homeowner making $90k with kids isn't going to replace a gas stove based on studies unless it's a legit risk of death because they don't have the budget.

Lots of kids live in multigenerational homes, purchased by their grandparents decades ago when homes were actually affordable. Gotta think that is the target audience here because yeah, a young family with <$80k HHI is not buying a house in DC anymore.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They're not banning gas stoves in D.C., anyway, they're proposing an incentive for households who earn less than $80,000 to replace them.

The studies notwithstanding, the more we can shift to electric power instead of gas, the better for climate change — making the electric grid greener is far easier than mitigating the effects of burning natural gas.

Also, it's possible that the D.C. Council is doing this because they think it's a good idea on the merits, not to be part of The Discourse?

I don't see this as serious with an income limit of $80k. How many families in that income range even own a home in DC? Or is this a giveaway to the Georgetown people who have no income but lots of assets?

Easy, it's for elderly/retired people. Their income can own a home and have an income below 80k anywhere in the city. I'm pro getting rid of gas stoves, but this is a huge, expensive program by the city. Homeowners aren't the poor here, they own an asset!

Very clear that Allen has announced many such programs recently. The city is not planning ahead for 2025 when the $2 billion in federal funding disappears (and commercial real estate will be re-valued). $500 billion in surplus now, with a $2 billion subsidy, is a $1.5 billion shortfall soon.

The justification for this is to prevent childhood asthma not retired people's renos. A DC homeowner making $90k with kids isn't going to replace a gas stove based on studies unless it's a legit risk of death because they don't have the budget.

Lots of kids live in multigenerational homes, purchased by their grandparents decades ago when homes were actually affordable. Gotta think that is the target audience here because yeah, a young family with <$80k HHI is not buying a house in DC anymore.

Those people are more likely to the renters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Gas stoves need to be banned, period.

DC needs to take the lead in banning all gas stoves and appliances in the city.

Why not just do it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gas stoves need to be banned, period.

DC needs to take the lead in banning all gas stoves and appliances in the city.

Why not just do it?

When DC builds an electric power plant it can ban gas stoves.