Why don't colleges require students to maintain the same minimum gpa they would need to get a job?

[Anonymous]

I feel like the posters in this thread are 45+ with high schoolers or young college students and speaking from their own experiences, which isn’t accurate or relevant.

Op is a little dramatic, and students are responsible for their own gpa. I don’t think parents would prefer a situation like my grad program where anything below a B (including a B-) is a fail and must be retaken.

And for the record, no one puts their gpa on their resume. That’s super tacky. Addresses and photos also do not belong on resumes. And please stop using Word templates with colors.

However, most applications will ask for your gpa. Especially anything in business or STEM. About half will also want to see a transcript during the process. I have twin college seniors. One in Public Health and one in Finance. Both had to submit GPAs and transcripts for internship and job applications.

It’s competitive out there. Hiring managers want to see what classes you took and how you did. They know every program is different so it helps them to see if an program is fluff or applicable content.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I feel like the posters in this thread are 45+ with high schoolers or young college students and speaking from their own experiences, which isn’t accurate or relevant.

Op is a little dramatic, and students are responsible for their own gpa. I don’t think parents would prefer a situation like my grad program where anything below a B (including a B-) is a fail and must be retaken.

And for the record, no one puts their gpa on their resume. That’s super tacky. Addresses and photos also do not belong on resumes. And please stop using Word templates with colors.

However, most applications will ask for your gpa. Especially anything in business or STEM. About half will also want to see a transcript during the process. I have twin college seniors. One in Public Health and one in Finance. Both had to submit GPAs and transcripts for internship and job applications.

It’s competitive out there. Hiring managers want to see what classes you took and how you did. They know every program is different so it helps them to see if an program is fluff or applicable content.

I can tell you that GPAs on resumé are 100% required to get an internship at a desirable employer in my field. I’m 28. Please stay in your own lane.

[Anonymous]

I’m wondering what that menial job that OP is talking about. The one driving buses making $75k a year? The one fixing your car with a starting salary of $55k?

[Anonymous]

The purpose of college is to broaden your mind, not become a corporate drone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do employers actually ask for GPA? I’ve never heard of that.

Federal gov't - absolutely. Which is absurd when you're 50 and applying for jobs and they *still* require your GPA.

It’s not about the GPA in most federal hiring, it’s to make sure that you have met the degree requirements for the position. For example. If you are applying for an engineering position, you will have to submit a transcript to prove you have a degree in engineering. I’ve done a ton of fed hiring over the years and never look at GPA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The purpose of college is to broaden your mind, not become a corporate drone.

Yes by all means go to college to “broaden your mind” if you’re independently wealthy.

Reason #46423764 why I oppose student loan cancellation

[Anonymous]

In my field and fields like it, GPA does matter very much for grad school applications, even if time has passed since the bachelor's degree. We start to worry a little below a 3.5, and under a 3.0 we would likely not admit unless there has been outstanding career experience in the field since the bachelor's.

One strong recommendation I would give is that newer college students be helped to understand right away how difficult it is to raise a GPA later if the earlier data points are weak. Simple math, but most of them don't think too hard about it at the beginning, or are used to weighting at the HS level that obscures things, or figure they will buckle down in the upperclass years when they're settled in a major they care about. Nailing those comparatively easy gen-ed courses, even if you're bored, can really make a difference.

--College prof

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I graduated with a 2.2 GPA from undergrad. I’m currently employed as an attorney. Undergraduate GPA isn’t the end of things

Where did you go to law school?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Graduating high school by the skin of one's teeth is better than not graduating at all. Said student may not have many university options, but they can still go to community college, and even many menial jobs want their employers to have at-least a high school diploma. However, the whole point of going to college is to be able to get a better job than one you could get with just a high school diploma. Most colleges require students to maintain a minimum of a 2.0, but most companies won't even consider a candidate with that low of a gpa. By allowing students with C averages to stay in their program, they are wasting said students' time.

College is a business. So is high school. Literally nobody cares about your kid. Hell, most parents don’t really care.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The purpose of college is to broaden your mind, not become a corporate drone.

Yes by all means go to college to “broaden your mind” if you’re independently wealthy.

Reason #46423764 why I oppose student loan cancellation

So you're one of those who wants a stupid population who will vote for whoever and continue to destroy environment, social contracts etc? Those who want a job training program can go to vocational school. We need teachers who know about the world, scientists who will consider the ethical and societal implications of their discoveries, soldiers who have some understanding of history and politics and understand why they are in the land they are and what their enemies societal differences are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The purpose of college is to broaden your mind, not become a corporate drone.

Yes by all means go to college to “broaden your mind” if you’re independently wealthy.

Reason #46423764 why I oppose student loan cancellation

So you're one of those who wants a stupid population who will vote for whoever and continue to destroy environment, social contracts etc? Those who want a job training program can go to vocational school. We need teachers who know about the world, scientists who will consider the ethical and societal implications of their discoveries, soldiers who have some understanding of history and politics and understand why they are in the land they are and what their enemies societal differences are.

Trolll

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Graduating high school by the skin of one's teeth is better than not graduating at all. Said student may not have many university options, but they can still go to community college, and even many menial jobs want their employers to have at-least a high school diploma. However, the whole point of going to college is to be able to get a better job than one you could get with just a high school diploma. Most colleges require students to maintain a minimum of a 2.0, but most companies won't even consider a candidate with that low of a gpa. By allowing students with C averages to stay in their program, they are wasting said students' time.

College is a business. So is high school. Literally nobody cares about your kid. Hell, most parents don’t really care.

+1000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In what world can college graduates with a C average NOT get a job. OP what evidence to you have to support your claim?

But, more important, why does the OP think a college student has to stay in the same program? That’s why I think the OP is part of a non-U.S. propaganda effort. Many bachelor’s degree programs in Europe do lock students onto a particular track. U.S. schools are famous for not doing that.

I think another red flag is the use of the term “menial jobs.” That’s perfectly good English, but it’s the kind of phrase that would show up in an RT editorial, not a phrase that angry American parents or students would be likely to use.

Maybe some AI program or poorly paid live-human homework helper uses triggers like the original post to get us to generate language and ideas that could go into an AI system, or into a canned term paper database.

Another possibility is that a company that puts ads on DCUM hires freelancers to start fights here to increase time on site and feed the ads more hits.

So, it’s possible that the fight-starting posts are apolitical in nature.

But they simply are weird and artificial. They aren’t just examples of people like me putting off doing the dishes by posting random thoughts online.

Um... maybe have a drink and relax. This is some incredibly weird overthinking.
NP

I’m a different poster, but I’ve definitely noticed the quantity of non-specific sh-t stirring posts (e.g. some flavor of “liberal arts degrees suck”) has gone up. These posts seem designed solely to generate argument and engagement. The OP never returns to comment or ask questions. I think Jeff may be paying cheap labor in the Philippines or somewhere to post in order to generate engagement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In my field and fields like it, GPA does matter very much for grad school applications, even if time has passed since the bachelor's degree. We start to worry a little below a 3.5, and under a 3.0 we would likely not admit unless there has been outstanding career experience in the field since the bachelor's.

One strong recommendation I would give is that newer college students be helped to understand right away how difficult it is to raise a GPA later if the earlier data points are weak. Simple math, but most of them don't think too hard about it at the beginning, or are used to weighting at the HS level that obscures things, or figure they will buckle down in the upperclass years when they're settled in a major they care about. Nailing those comparatively easy gen-ed courses, even if you're bored, can really make a difference.

--College prof

To the college professor. You're in the academia bubble too long. You need to get out and see the real world once in a while. My DS graduated with 2.7 GPA from UNC, and after working for four years, he applied to the MBA program at UVA and got accepted, and he didn't have an outstanding career after graduation. He got accepted because he is a friend of the company CEO who is a UVA alum and a major financial contributor to UVA, and the CEO recommended him to the UVA MBA program. Who you know matters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel like the posters in this thread are 45+ with high schoolers or young college students and speaking from their own experiences, which isn’t accurate or relevant.

Op is a little dramatic, and students are responsible for their own gpa. I don’t think parents would prefer a situation like my grad program where anything below a B (including a B-) is a fail and must be retaken.

And for the record, no one puts their gpa on their resume. That’s super tacky. Addresses and photos also do not belong on resumes. And please stop using Word templates with colors.

However, most applications will ask for your gpa. Especially anything in business or STEM. About half will also want to see a transcript during the process. I have twin college seniors. One in Public Health and one in Finance. Both had to submit GPAs and transcripts for internship and job applications.

It’s competitive out there. Hiring managers want to see what classes you took and how you did. They know every program is different so it helps them to see if an program is fluff or applicable content.

I can tell you that GPAs on resumé are 100% required to get an internship at a desirable employer in my field. I’m 28. Please stay in your own lane.

Right!! GPAs are required for most internships and first jobs. After1-2 years of work experience, gpa does not really matter