Mix honors and regular kids in the same classroom

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Anonymous wrote:On another thread, someone mentioned a BCC high school class that teaches the honors class kids and the regular class kids in the same classroom. Is this just happening at BCC?

OMG OMG I just read this in the other thread!!

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Anonymous wrote:This has been happening in ES and MS for years. Now, MCPS is extending the same concept to HS.

Our MS only offers one English class - Advanced English. It is a mix of kids who are very proficient and some kids who are ESOL and kids who are at grade level.

MCPS doesn’t support differentiation because it is not Equitable.

Unfortunately, this system helps nobody. The kids who are below level just struggle, even with ‘supports’ in place and often end up being disruptive because they’re not engaged in learning. And the kids who are above grade level get bored and disengage.

So they're achieving equity by dumbing everyone down to the least common denominator?

That's not good since most on-level classes today seem remedial and honors was more like average.

And with honors courses being "scored" the same way at AP courses, the weighted GPAs of students today feels really inflated.

+1 another way to close the achievement gap, even if it's superficial.

Don't worry colleges ignore that weighting and use their own.

It's not about colleges. It's purely about MCPS stats. They want to make sure that in MCPS, certain groups look like they are doing better than they are.

Does any of this really matter? It's all become meaningless. The only objective measures in my opinion are SATs and ACT scores. Maybe AP scores in hard classes like calc bc or physics C. Like if you have a weighted gpa of 4.7 in a W school and yet you still have a 1200 SAT maybe some of your knowledge is just padding.

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Anonymous wrote:This has been happening in ES and MS for years. Now, MCPS is extending the same concept to HS.

Our MS only offers one English class - Advanced English. It is a mix of kids who are very proficient and some kids who are ESOL and kids who are at grade level.

MCPS doesn’t support differentiation because it is not Equitable.

Unfortunately, this system helps nobody. The kids who are below level just struggle, even with ‘supports’ in place and often end up being disruptive because they’re not engaged in learning. And the kids who are above grade level get bored and disengage.

So they're achieving equity by dumbing everyone down to the least common denominator?

That's not good since most on-level classes today seem remedial and honors was more like average.

And with honors courses being "scored" the same way at AP courses, the weighted GPAs of students today feels really inflated.

+1 another way to close the achievement gap, even if it's superficial.

Don't worry colleges ignore that weighting and use their own.

It's not about colleges. It's purely about MCPS stats. They want to make sure that in MCPS, certain groups look like they are doing better than they are.

Does any of this really matter? It's all become meaningless. The only objective measures in my opinion are SATs and ACT scores. Maybe AP scores in hard classes like calc bc or physics C. Like if you have a weighted gpa of 4.7 in a W school and yet you still have a 1200 SAT maybe some of your knowledge is just padding.

And now that many colleges are test optional, even the SAT is meaningless.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone have any idea what percentage of parents oppose this model, and whether there is an organized group in place to oppose it?

There might be a group at the MCCPTA level, but honestly MCPS doesn't seem to care about what the MCCPTA thinks or does.

Don't think anyone should really care about MCCPTA, either. I trust professionals who base these decisions on actual data and analysis.

Where is the data that shows forcing Black and Brown kids into Honors classes helps Black and Brown kids perform better in college? Please provide and actual data and analysis that MCPS is using to support this nonsense.

Lots of data out there. Jay Matthews has written extensively about POC taking APs and doing better in college for having done so.