AART is not helpful

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. This is not a center school. I was under the impression that AART are there to help parents/act as a resource/be a guide in the process. Getting scripted answers feels fake and doesn't accomplish those goals. And I know she's been more helpful to some others.

Well, in that case, just do the best you can with the samples. My son is in a center school and the AART wasn’t helpful at all. But you can always try for principal placement if the child doesn’t get in.

OP. Child is already principal placed. Our school does clusters but kid has been in an AAP cluster but I've just really been hoping to get DC admitted into AAP before MS and I've been desperate for more guidance given past year rejections.

There is a big difference between you begging the principal to let your child in AAP every year and him saying yes (because he always says yes to everyone, FYI) and your child actually deserving to get in. We all know that you called the week before 3rd grade to beg him to let your kid in because you didn't like the cohort your child was placed with and the fact that the teacher was new to the school, and then because your child was successful in class in 3rd, you asked that they put your kid in one of the advanced classes this year. That STILL doesn't mean your child deserves to be LLIV. Just keep begging and the principal will let your child stay advanced for 5th and 6th, and then you can place your kid in Honors in middle school, which is the same thing as AAP. As for the AART, she's just doing her job, leave her alone.

Interesting how OP replied to everything and then stopped once I posted this. She knows it's true.

[Anonymous]

There are cases where the parents are right about a child's ability and the school is wrong. I think that there is a difference in how the parent is viewing her child and how the school is viewing her child here but that doesn’t mean that the parent stops advocating for her kid.

In my case, my parents insisted I was going to go to college and the school insisted I wouldn’t be able to graduate high school. We sent those Teachers and Principal an invitation to my graduation when I earned my Doctorate. My parents did nothing to advocate for me once I got to College but my Mom fought the public schools tooth and nail.

The difference in this case is that AAP really isn’t that huge a deal for most kids. Parents and Teachers have posted regularly that no one can tell the difference between an LIV kid and a non LIV kid in high school. Perhaps the OP is worried that their kid won’t get Advanced Math without the designation. Perhaps the OP wants her kid to attend the Center School for the same reason many people on this board want them there (cohort, better program). Perhaps the OP wants the Center MS because it has a better reputation or they are thinking TJ.

Whatever the reason, there is no reason to be nasty about it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are cases where the parents are right about a child's ability and the school is wrong. I think that there is a difference in how the parent is viewing her child and how the school is viewing her child here but that doesn’t mean that the parent stops advocating for her kid.

In my case, my parents insisted I was going to go to college and the school insisted I wouldn’t be able to graduate high school. We sent those Teachers and Principal an invitation to my graduation when I earned my Doctorate. My parents did nothing to advocate for me once I got to College but my Mom fought the public schools tooth and nail.

The difference in this case is that AAP really isn’t that huge a deal for most kids. Parents and Teachers have posted regularly that no one can tell the difference between an LIV kid and a non LIV kid in high school. Perhaps the OP is worried that their kid won’t get Advanced Math without the designation. Perhaps the OP wants her kid to attend the Center School for the same reason many people on this board want them there (cohort, better program). Perhaps the OP wants the Center MS because it has a better reputation or they are thinking TJ.

Whatever the reason, there is no reason to be nasty about it.

there are more cases where a parents wants their kid to be in what they perceive to be a better environment whether or not their child is actually qualified

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are cases where the parents are right about a child's ability and the school is wrong. I think that there is a difference in how the parent is viewing her child and how the school is viewing her child here but that doesn’t mean that the parent stops advocating for her kid.

In my case, my parents insisted I was going to go to college and the school insisted I wouldn’t be able to graduate high school. We sent those Teachers and Principal an invitation to my graduation when I earned my Doctorate. My parents did nothing to advocate for me once I got to College but my Mom fought the public schools tooth and nail.

The difference in this case is that AAP really isn’t that huge a deal for most kids. Parents and Teachers have posted regularly that no one can tell the difference between an LIV kid and a non LIV kid in high school. Perhaps the OP is worried that their kid won’t get Advanced Math without the designation. Perhaps the OP wants her kid to attend the Center School for the same reason many people on this board want them there (cohort, better program). Perhaps the OP wants the Center MS because it has a better reputation or they are thinking TJ.

Whatever the reason, there is no reason to be nasty about it.

Nor should they have, you were a full grown adult in college. It appears they were too busy building your sense of entitlement to teach you how to advocate for yourself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here. This is not a center school. I was under the impression that AART are there to help parents/act as a resource/be a guide in the process. Getting scripted answers feels fake and doesn't accomplish those goals. And I know she's been more helpful to some others.

I've wondered if principals in schools without AAp don't want their higher scorers to leave.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. This is not a center school. I was under the impression that AART are there to help parents/act as a resource/be a guide in the process. Getting scripted answers feels fake and doesn't accomplish those goals. And I know she's been more helpful to some others.

Well, in that case, just do the best you can with the samples. My son is in a center school and the AART wasn’t helpful at all. But you can always try for principal placement if the child doesn’t get in.

OP. Child is already principal placed. Our school does clusters but kid has been in an AAP cluster but I've just really been hoping to get DC admitted into AAP before MS and I've been desperate for more guidance given past year rejections.

There is a big difference between you begging the principal to let your child in AAP every year and him saying yes (because he always says yes to everyone, FYI) and your child actually deserving to get in. We all know that you called the week before 3rd grade to beg him to let your kid in because you didn't like the cohort your child was placed with and the fact that the teacher was new to the school, and then because your child was successful in class in 3rd, you asked that they put your kid in one of the advanced classes this year. That STILL doesn't mean your child deserves to be LLIV. Just keep begging and the principal will let your child stay advanced for 5th and 6th, and then you can place your kid in Honors in middle school, which is the same thing as AAP. As for the AART, she's just doing her job, leave her alone.

Interesting how OP replied to everything and then stopped once I posted this. She knows it's true.

OP probably didn't think your post deserved acknowledgment. It's not unreasonable for someone to want guidance with putting together a package=-certainly if AART is helping others

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are cases where the parents are right about a child's ability and the school is wrong. I think that there is a difference in how the parent is viewing her child and how the school is viewing her child here but that doesn’t mean that the parent stops advocating for her kid.

In my case, my parents insisted I was going to go to college and the school insisted I wouldn’t be able to graduate high school. We sent those Teachers and Principal an invitation to my graduation when I earned my Doctorate. My parents did nothing to advocate for me once I got to College but my Mom fought the public schools tooth and nail.

The difference in this case is that AAP really isn’t that huge a deal for most kids. Parents and Teachers have posted regularly that no one can tell the difference between an LIV kid and a non LIV kid in high school. Perhaps the OP is worried that their kid won’t get Advanced Math without the designation. Perhaps the OP wants her kid to attend the Center School for the same reason many people on this board want them there (cohort, better program). Perhaps the OP wants the Center MS because it has a better reputation or they are thinking TJ.

Whatever the reason, there is no reason to be nasty about it.

Nor should they have, you were a full grown adult in college. It appears they were too busy building your sense of entitlement to teach you how to advocate for yourself.

No one is a fully grown adult at 19.

[Anonymous]

It's a political game at our school. AART only helps those who schmooze her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are cases where the parents are right about a child's ability and the school is wrong. I think that there is a difference in how the parent is viewing her child and how the school is viewing her child here but that doesn’t mean that the parent stops advocating for her kid.

In my case, my parents insisted I was going to go to college and the school insisted I wouldn’t be able to graduate high school. We sent those Teachers and Principal an invitation to my graduation when I earned my Doctorate. My parents did nothing to advocate for me once I got to College but my Mom fought the public schools tooth and nail.

The difference in this case is that AAP really isn’t that huge a deal for most kids. Parents and Teachers have posted regularly that no one can tell the difference between an LIV kid and a non LIV kid in high school. Perhaps the OP is worried that their kid won’t get Advanced Math without the designation. Perhaps the OP wants her kid to attend the Center School for the same reason many people on this board want them there (cohort, better program). Perhaps the OP wants the Center MS because it has a better reputation or they are thinking TJ.

Whatever the reason, there is no reason to be nasty about it.

Nor should they have, you were a full grown adult in college. It appears they were too busy building your sense of entitlement to teach you how to advocate for yourself.

No one is a fully grown adult at 19.

You REALLY think that a 19 year old's mommy should be calling her professors and asking for extra time to take a test, etc.? If her parents had included her and taught her how to advocate for herself as a teen, she would have been much better off.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are cases where the parents are right about a child's ability and the school is wrong. I think that there is a difference in how the parent is viewing her child and how the school is viewing her child here but that doesn’t mean that the parent stops advocating for her kid.

In my case, my parents insisted I was going to go to college and the school insisted I wouldn’t be able to graduate high school. We sent those Teachers and Principal an invitation to my graduation when I earned my Doctorate. My parents did nothing to advocate for me once I got to College but my Mom fought the public schools tooth and nail.

The difference in this case is that AAP really isn’t that huge a deal for most kids. Parents and Teachers have posted regularly that no one can tell the difference between an LIV kid and a non LIV kid in high school. Perhaps the OP is worried that their kid won’t get Advanced Math without the designation. Perhaps the OP wants her kid to attend the Center School for the same reason many people on this board want them there (cohort, better program). Perhaps the OP wants the Center MS because it has a better reputation or they are thinking TJ.

Whatever the reason, there is no reason to be nasty about it.

Nor should they have, you were a full grown adult in college. It appears they were too busy building your sense of entitlement to teach you how to advocate for yourself.

No one is a fully grown adult at 19.

You REALLY think that a 19 year old's mommy should be calling her professors and asking for extra time to take a test, etc.? If her parents had included her and taught her how to advocate for herself as a teen, she would have been much better off.

Read what was written. The parents did nothing when the kid went to college. They did their job in the public schools who had written the kid off. There are times when parents have a better grasp on what the kid is capable of then the school. And the parent should fight for their kid.

The OP has a different read on her kids ability then the school does. It sounds like the OPs kid has not been getting the GBRSs or the test scores for AAP. I don’t think the AART is there to help the parent. I wouldn’t keep applying for AAP but if the OP thinks that is the best place for their kid, then go for it. Nothing wrong with believing in your kid.

But it is not the AARTs job to help the parents with packets or provide info to the parents. The OPs kid is probably just fine in Gen Ed but we don’t know what school they are at. Maybe it is one of the schools where there is a huge difference between LIV and Gen Ed. But the parent who is being snarky to the OP for wanting her kid in LIV is being unnecessarily cruel.