What are the best law schools that give merit aid?

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A top law school will provide merit for a kid with top LSAT scores. I've helped my law school recruit top students and have seen law schools basically get into a bidding war over the amount of aid available.

Interesting that they got into a bidding war. Yet Imsaw on r/lawschooladmissions that a candidate had her offer rescinded when she tried to negotiate with UCLA for better merit aid.

The T14 don’t do this. Less elite schools will pay for a high GPA or LSAT but the top don’t because they don’t have to.

Maybe 20 years ago, but they do now. Maybe not Harvard and Yale, but Harvard cited the practice as a reason it was pulling out of the USNWR rankings (meaning its competitors are doing it and they were feeling the pressure to do it, too).

https://hls.harvard.edu/today/decision-to-withdraw-from-the-u-s-news-world-report-process/

Second, by heavily weighting students’ test scores and college grades, the U.S. News rankings have over the years created incentives for law schools to direct more financial aid toward applicants based on their LSAT scores and college GPAs without regard to their financial need. Though HLS and YLS have each resisted the pull toward so-called merit aid, it has become increasingly prevalent, absorbing scarce resources that could be allocated more directly on the basis of need.

That’s not what Dean Manning is saying at all (your claim that he addressed merit aid). Merit aid is given at the beginning of the law school career (and hopefully continued for the next two years to offset tuition. . What Dean Manning and the Yale Dean are referring to is their objections as to how USNWR calculated Harvard’s own financing of student careers in low-income public service careers -after they graduate. Harvard Law does not give merit aid.

As to the second point, yes, some of the lower ranked schools have given merit aid in exchange for high lsat and GPAs. But Harvard does not

Nope. Harvard doesn't give merit aid. You could google:

HLS does not award “merit” or “full-ride” scholarships (which typically are not need-based) because doing so would decrease the resources available for need-based aid, and significantly increase the debt burden of every financially needy student.

The Need-Based Aid Philosophy - Harvard Law School

I hope you didn’t go to law school, because your reading comprehension is lousy. No one said Harvard gives merit aid.

I did go to law school snd my reading comprehension is fine. Dean Manning (and the Yale Dean) is referring to merit aid given by OTHER law schools like Scalia/GMU in order to lure top stats kids so that GMU can report those stats to USNWR. The lower ranked schools are buying high GPAs and test scores. Manning is saying that is a wrong result and one if the reasons that Harvard, Yale and the others are pulling out of data supply to USNWR.



Well, yes, then you are agreeing with me, because that’s exactly what I said the first time. Here’s the quote:

Maybe not Harvard and Yale, but Harvard cited the practice as a reason it was pulling out of the USNWR rankings (meaning its competitors are doing it and they were feeling the pressure to do it, too).

(Followed by a quote from the Harvard letter saying exactly that.)

The poster I was responding to (presumably you) responded (and I quote):

“[b]That’s not what Dean Manning is saying at all (your claim that he addressed merit aid). Merit aid is given at the beginning of the law school career (and hopefully continued for the next two years to offset tuition. What Dean Manning and the Yale Dean objections as to how USNWR calculated Harvard’s own financing of student careers in low-income public service careers -after they graduate.”


I was simply pointing out that the letter addresses both issues, and that I represented the quote re: merit aid accurately. I’m glad to see you now agree with me.

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A top law school will provide merit for a kid with top LSAT scores. I've helped my law school recruit top students and have seen law schools basically get into a bidding war over the amount of aid available.

Interesting that they got into a bidding war. Yet Imsaw on r/lawschooladmissions that a candidate had her offer rescinded when she tried to negotiate with UCLA for better merit aid.

The T14 don’t do this. Less elite schools will pay for a high GPA or LSAT but the top don’t because they don’t have to.

Maybe 20 years ago, but they do now. Maybe not Harvard and Yale, but Harvard cited the practice as a reason it was pulling out of the USNWR rankings (meaning its competitors are doing it and they were feeling the pressure to do it, too).


https://hls.harvard.edu/today/decision-to-withdraw-from-the-u-s-news-world-report-process/

Second, by heavily weighting students’ test scores and college grades, the U.S. News rankings have over the years created incentives for law schools to direct more financial aid toward applicants based on their LSAT scores and college GPAs without regard to their financial need. Though HLS and YLS have each resisted the pull toward so-called merit aid, it has become increasingly prevalent, absorbing scarce resources that could be allocated more directly on the basis of need.

That’s not what Dean Manning is saying at all (your claim that he addressed merit aid). Merit aid is given at the beginning of the law school career (and hopefully continued for the next two years to offset tuition. . What Dean Manning and the Yale Dean are referring to is their objections as to how USNWR calculated Harvard’s own financing of student careers in low-income public service careers -after they graduate. Harvard Law does not give merit aid.

As to the second point, yes, some of the lower ranked schools have given merit aid in exchange for high lsat and GPAs. But Harvard does not

Nope. Harvard doesn't give merit aid. You could google:

HLS does not award “merit” or “full-ride” scholarships (which typically are not need-based) because doing so would decrease the resources available for need-based aid, and significantly increase the debt burden of every financially needy student.

The Need-Based Aid Philosophy - Harvard Law School

I hope you didn’t go to law school, because your reading comprehension is lousy. No one said Harvard gives merit aid.

I did go to law school snd my reading comprehension is fine. Dean Manning (and the Yale Dean) is referring to merit aid given by OTHER law schools like Scalia/GMU in order to lure top stats kids so that GMU can report those stats to USNWR. The lower ranked schools are buying high GPAs and test scores. Manning is saying that is a wrong result and one if the reasons that Harvard, Yale and the others are pulling out of data supply to USNWR.

Well, yes, then you are agreeing with me, because that’s exactly what I said the first time. Here’s the quote:

Maybe not Harvard and Yale, but Harvard cited the practice as a reason it was pulling out of the USNWR rankings (meaning its competitors are doing it and they were feeling the pressure to do it, too).

(Followed by a quote from the Harvard letter saying exactly that.)

The poster I was responding to (presumably you) responded (and I quote):

“[b]That’s not what Dean Manning is saying at all (your claim that he addressed merit aid). Merit aid is given at the beginning of the law school career (and hopefully continued for the next two years to offset tuition. What Dean Manning and the Yale Dean objections as to how USNWR calculated Harvard’s own financing of student careers in low-income public service careers -after they graduate.”


I was simply pointing out that the letter addresses both issues, and that I represented the quote re: merit aid accurately. I’m glad to see you now agree with me.


Oh brother. Twisted logic and fallacy. Anything to say you win an argument