Money - Best Selective Colleges 2022

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Anonymous wrote:That is a wholly insufficient criterion. I hope people don’t put much faith in yet another ranking.

All the rankings are for your reference.
Just one of the variables in your decision making.

If the frequency and content of discussion here is any indication, some parents weigh perceived "reputation" of a school very, very heavily.

It's not just parents, it's employers as well.

Not true. Here's what employers value.....

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/page/5/

It is true for certain industries such as investment banking & consulting. Not important for those hired in the audit division of major accounting firms.

Also, look at page 61 of the 86 page study you reference.

The study focused on responses from executives,managers,and HR. Executives viewed one's college or university reputation as 60% more important than did HR or managers. Remember HR doesn't make hiring decisions and managers need approval from higher ups (executives).

Varies by industry, but some industries are very conscious of hiring from elite schools (investment banking, consulting, & law are 3 such industries).

From the same website cited above, here's a list of where the leadership of top investment banking firms attended college--

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/wall-street/

And here's a list where recent hires at a top law firm went--

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/law/

Not sure what type of consultants you're talking about, but I'll be it's the same in that industry, too. They want top talent, not fancy diplomas.

You don't seem to realize that the most prestigious law firms recruit almost exclusively from the top 14 law schools. Where a law student attended undergraduate school is not relevant. And, yes, I understand your point is that one's undergraduate is unimportant for a career in biglaw; but you need to inform readers that biglaw rarely recruits anywhere but at the Top 14 law schools (out of 192 ABA accredited law schools).

With respect to IB management, you are intentionally being misleading in order to make an invalid point. It matters to IB firms where one attends undergraduate school--probably more than in any other industry. Those in management from lesser known schools may have earned an MBA degree or a masters degree from an elite school. In order to get the best chance to work in the top IB firms, one needs to attend a target or semi-target school--which are all elite undergraduate institutions.

Based on the references contained in your post, you have lost all credibility--as you should.

This discussion is about Money's ranking of UNDERGRADUATE schools, and the point I was trying to make is in regard to undergraduate schools, unlike yours. I don't disagree with you about which law schools employers looks at the most, but I'll bet not all of the employees hired at the law firm mentioned attended top 14 schools.

Not PP, but you are the one brought up law school to UNDERGRADUATE discussion.
Law school is important for law firms, not the undergraduate degree.
Many people shooting for law schools strategically choose undergrad school for cost and gpa.

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Anonymous wrote:That is a wholly insufficient criterion. I hope people don’t put much faith in yet another ranking.

All the rankings are for your reference.
Just one of the variables in your decision making.

If the frequency and content of discussion here is any indication, some parents weigh perceived "reputation" of a school very, very heavily.

It's not just parents, it's employers as well.

Not true. Here's what employers value.....

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/page/5/

It is true for certain industries such as investment banking & consulting. Not important for those hired in the audit division of major accounting firms.

Also, look at page 61 of the 86 page study you reference.

The study focused on responses from executives,managers,and HR. Executives viewed one's college or university reputation as 60% more important than did HR or managers. Remember HR doesn't make hiring decisions and managers need approval from higher ups (executives).

Varies by industry, but some industries are very conscious of hiring from elite schools (investment banking, consulting, & law are 3 such industries).

From the same website cited above, here's a list of where the leadership of top investment banking firms attended college--

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/wall-street/

And here's a list where recent hires at a top law firm went--

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/law/

Not sure what type of consultants you're talking about, but I'll be it's the same in that industry, too. They want top talent, not fancy diplomas.

You don't seem to realize that the most prestigious law firms recruit almost exclusively from the top 14 law schools. Where a law student attended undergraduate school is not relevant. And, yes, I understand your point is that one's undergraduate is unimportant for a career in biglaw; but you need to inform readers that biglaw rarely recruits anywhere but at the Top 14 law schools (out of 192 ABA accredited law schools).

With respect to IB management, you are intentionally being misleading in order to make an invalid point. It matters to IB firms where one attends undergraduate school--probably more than in any other industry. Those in management from lesser known schools may have earned an MBA degree or a masters degree from an elite school. In order to get the best chance to work in the top IB firms, one needs to attend a target or semi-target school--which are all elite undergraduate institutions.

Based on the references contained in your post, you have lost all credibility--as you should.

This discussion is about Money's ranking of UNDERGRADUATE schools, and the point I was trying to make is in regard to undergraduate schools, unlike yours. I don't disagree with you about which law schools employers looks at the most, but I'll bet not all of the employees hired at the law firm mentioned attended top 14 schools.

Not PP, but you are the one brought up law school to UNDERGRADUATE discussion.
Law school is important for law firms, not the undergraduate degree.
Many people shooting for law schools strategically choose undergrad school for cost and gpa.

Look again. I brought up law firms, not law schools.

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Anonymous wrote:That is a wholly insufficient criterion. I hope people don’t put much faith in yet another ranking.

All the rankings are for your reference.
Just one of the variables in your decision making.

If the frequency and content of discussion here is any indication, some parents weigh perceived "reputation" of a school very, very heavily.

It's not just parents, it's employers as well.

Not true. Here's what employers value.....

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/page/5/

It is true for certain industries such as investment banking & consulting. Not important for those hired in the audit division of major accounting firms.

Also, look at page 61 of the 86 page study you reference.

The study focused on responses from executives,managers,and HR. Executives viewed one's college or university reputation as 60% more important than did HR or managers. Remember HR doesn't make hiring decisions and managers need approval from higher ups (executives).

Varies by industry, but some industries are very conscious of hiring from elite schools (investment banking, consulting, & law are 3 such industries).

From the same website cited above, here's a list of where the leadership of top investment banking firms attended college--

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/wall-street/

And here's a list where recent hires at a top law firm went--

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/law/

Not sure what type of consultants you're talking about, but I'll be it's the same in that industry, too. They want top talent, not fancy diplomas.

No, it's a known fact that there are lists of top schools that top firms like to go to recruit.

https://www.peakframeworks.com/post/ib-target-schools

https://www.peakframeworks.com/post/consulting-target-schools

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-banking

School name has less impact, but still increase your chance

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-tech

Of course you can still get in with less than fancy diploma, but you have to put extra effort and have luck.
Why go harder way.

Recruiting somewhere doesn't mean you have a preference for graduates of that school. It's just more efficient to go somewhere you know has already done the work of finding a cohort of really smart, ambitious people. So sure, the graduate of a less well-known, less visited place may have to be more proactive, but they're just as likely to get the job if their performance in college and in the interview is just as impressive.

With positions that are client facing (like consulting firms) it is usually more preferable to have an impressive school on the resume. My kid had a very easy time finding an internship, which will apparently turn into a job offer next summer.

Congratulations to your kid (really!), but I'll bet their success is due to their being awesome and not to where they went to college.

How old are you ? It is clear that you have no real world experience in these topics.

Old enough to use facts to try to make a point instead of insults. And old enough to know many, many people who have succeeded in their careers despite the 'handicap' of not attending an 'elite' college.

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Anonymous wrote:That is a wholly insufficient criterion. I hope people don’t put much faith in yet another ranking.

All the rankings are for your reference.
Just one of the variables in your decision making.

If the frequency and content of discussion here is any indication, some parents weigh perceived "reputation" of a school very, very heavily.

It's not just parents, it's employers as well.

Not true. Here's what employers value.....

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/page/5/

It is true for certain industries such as investment banking & consulting. Not important for those hired in the audit division of major accounting firms.

Also, look at page 61 of the 86 page study you reference.

The study focused on responses from executives,managers,and HR. Executives viewed one's college or university reputation as 60% more important than did HR or managers. Remember HR doesn't make hiring decisions and managers need approval from higher ups (executives).

Varies by industry, but some industries are very conscious of hiring from elite schools (investment banking, consulting, & law are 3 such industries).

From the same website cited above, here's a list of where the leadership of top investment banking firms attended college--

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/wall-street/

And here's a list where recent hires at a top law firm went--

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/law/

Not sure what type of consultants you're talking about, but I'll be it's the same in that industry, too. They want top talent, not fancy diplomas.

You don't seem to realize that the most prestigious law firms recruit almost exclusively from the top 14 law schools. Where a law student attended undergraduate school is not relevant. And, yes, I understand your point is that one's undergraduate is unimportant for a career in biglaw; but you need to inform readers that biglaw rarely recruits anywhere but at the Top 14 law schools (out of 192 ABA accredited law schools).

With respect to IB management, you are intentionally being misleading in order to make an invalid point. It matters to IB firms where one attends undergraduate school--probably more than in any other industry. Those in management from lesser known schools may have earned an MBA degree or a masters degree from an elite school. In order to get the best chance to work in the top IB firms, one needs to attend a target or semi-target school--which are all elite undergraduate institutions.

Based on the references contained in your post, you have lost all credibility--as you should.

This discussion is about Money's ranking of UNDERGRADUATE schools, and the point I was trying to make is in regard to undergraduate schools, unlike yours. I don't disagree with you about which law schools employers looks at the most, but I'll bet not all of the employees hired at the law firm mentioned attended top 14 schools.

Not PP, but you are the one brought up law school to UNDERGRADUATE discussion.
Law school is important for law firms, not the undergraduate degree.
Many people shooting for law schools strategically choose undergrad school for cost and gpa.

Look again. I brought up law firms, not law schools.

?? Law firms don't hire directly from undergraduate.
HELLO ANYBODY HOME???

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Anonymous wrote:That is a wholly insufficient criterion. I hope people don’t put much faith in yet another ranking.

All the rankings are for your reference.
Just one of the variables in your decision making.

If the frequency and content of discussion here is any indication, some parents weigh perceived "reputation" of a school very, very heavily.

It's not just parents, it's employers as well.

Not true. Here's what employers value.....

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/page/5/

It is true for certain industries such as investment banking & consulting. Not important for those hired in the audit division of major accounting firms.

Also, look at page 61 of the 86 page study you reference.

The study focused on responses from executives,managers,and HR. Executives viewed one's college or university reputation as 60% more important than did HR or managers. Remember HR doesn't make hiring decisions and managers need approval from higher ups (executives).

Varies by industry, but some industries are very conscious of hiring from elite schools (investment banking, consulting, & law are 3 such industries).

From the same website cited above, here's a list of where the leadership of top investment banking firms attended college--

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/wall-street/

And here's a list where recent hires at a top law firm went--

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/law/

Not sure what type of consultants you're talking about, but I'll be it's the same in that industry, too. They want top talent, not fancy diplomas.

You don't seem to realize that the most prestigious law firms recruit almost exclusively from the top 14 law schools. Where a law student attended undergraduate school is not relevant. And, yes, I understand your point is that one's undergraduate is unimportant for a career in biglaw; but you need to inform readers that biglaw rarely recruits anywhere but at the Top 14 law schools (out of 192 ABA accredited law schools).

With respect to IB management, you are intentionally being misleading in order to make an invalid point. It matters to IB firms where one attends undergraduate school--probably more than in any other industry. Those in management from lesser known schools may have earned an MBA degree or a masters degree from an elite school. In order to get the best chance to work in the top IB firms, one needs to attend a target or semi-target school--which are all elite undergraduate institutions.

Based on the references contained in your post, you have lost all credibility--as you should.

This discussion is about Money's ranking of UNDERGRADUATE schools, and the point I was trying to make is in regard to undergraduate schools, unlike yours. I don't disagree with you about which law schools employers looks at the most, but I'll bet not all of the employees hired at the law firm mentioned attended top 14 schools.

Not PP, but you are the one brought up law school to UNDERGRADUATE discussion.
Law school is important for law firms, not the undergraduate degree.
Many people shooting for law schools strategically choose undergrad school for cost and gpa.

Look again. I brought up law firms, not law schools.

I think that you miss the point. Sorry, but you have lost all credibility in my view.

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Anonymous wrote:That is a wholly insufficient criterion. I hope people don’t put much faith in yet another ranking.

All the rankings are for your reference.
Just one of the variables in your decision making.

If the frequency and content of discussion here is any indication, some parents weigh perceived "reputation" of a school very, very heavily.

It's not just parents, it's employers as well.

Not true. Here's what employers value.....

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/page/5/

It is true for certain industries such as investment banking & consulting. Not important for those hired in the audit division of major accounting firms.

Also, look at page 61 of the 86 page study you reference.

The study focused on responses from executives,managers,and HR. Executives viewed one's college or university reputation as 60% more important than did HR or managers. Remember HR doesn't make hiring decisions and managers need approval from higher ups (executives).

Varies by industry, but some industries are very conscious of hiring from elite schools (investment banking, consulting, & law are 3 such industries).

From the same website cited above, here's a list of where the leadership of top investment banking firms attended college--

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/wall-street/

And here's a list where recent hires at a top law firm went--

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/law/

Not sure what type of consultants you're talking about, but I'll be it's the same in that industry, too. They want top talent, not fancy diplomas.

You don't seem to realize that the most prestigious law firms recruit almost exclusively from the top 14 law schools. Where a law student attended undergraduate school is not relevant. And, yes, I understand your point is that one's undergraduate is unimportant for a career in biglaw; but you need to inform readers that biglaw rarely recruits anywhere but at the Top 14 law schools (out of 192 ABA accredited law schools).

With respect to IB management, you are intentionally being misleading in order to make an invalid point. It matters to IB firms where one attends undergraduate school--probably more than in any other industry. Those in management from lesser known schools may have earned an MBA degree or a masters degree from an elite school. In order to get the best chance to work in the top IB firms, one needs to attend a target or semi-target school--which are all elite undergraduate institutions.

Based on the references contained in your post, you have lost all credibility--as you should.

This discussion is about Money's ranking of UNDERGRADUATE schools, and the point I was trying to make is in regard to undergraduate schools, unlike yours. I don't disagree with you about which law schools employers looks at the most, but I'll bet not all of the employees hired at the law firm mentioned attended top 14 schools.

Not PP, but you are the one brought up law school to UNDERGRADUATE discussion.
Law school is important for law firms, not the undergraduate degree.
Many people shooting for law schools strategically choose undergrad school for cost and gpa.

Look again. I brought up law firms, not law schools.

?? Law firms don't hire directly from undergraduate.
HELLO ANYBODY HOME???

The point I was trying to make is that high school students who are capable of being successful at but aren't admitted to an 'elite' undergraduate program needn't worry that their options are limited by that fact. I am AGREEING that law firms don't care about the undergraduate degree.

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Anonymous wrote:That is a wholly insufficient criterion. I hope people don’t put much faith in yet another ranking.

All the rankings are for your reference.
Just one of the variables in your decision making.

If the frequency and content of discussion here is any indication, some parents weigh perceived "reputation" of a school very, very heavily.

It's not just parents, it's employers as well.

Not true. Here's what employers value.....

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/page/5/

It is true for certain industries such as investment banking & consulting. Not important for those hired in the audit division of major accounting firms.

Also, look at page 61 of the 86 page study you reference.

The study focused on responses from executives,managers,and HR. Executives viewed one's college or university reputation as 60% more important than did HR or managers. Remember HR doesn't make hiring decisions and managers need approval from higher ups (executives).

Varies by industry, but some industries are very conscious of hiring from elite schools (investment banking, consulting, & law are 3 such industries).

From the same website cited above, here's a list of where the leadership of top investment banking firms attended college--

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/wall-street/

And here's a list where recent hires at a top law firm went--

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/law/

Not sure what type of consultants you're talking about, but I'll be it's the same in that industry, too. They want top talent, not fancy diplomas.

No, it's a known fact that there are lists of top schools that top firms like to go to recruit.

https://www.peakframeworks.com/post/ib-target-schools

https://www.peakframeworks.com/post/consulting-target-schools

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-banking

School name has less impact, but still increase your chance

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-tech

Of course you can still get in with less than fancy diploma, but you have to put extra effort and have luck.
Why go harder way.

Recruiting somewhere doesn't mean you have a preference for graduates of that school. It's just more efficient to go somewhere you know has already done the work of finding a cohort of really smart, ambitious people. So sure, the graduate of a less well-known, less visited place may have to be more proactive, but they're just as likely to get the job if their performance in college and in the interview is just as impressive.

With positions that are client facing (like consulting firms) it is usually more preferable to have an impressive school on the resume. My kid had a very easy time finding an internship, which will apparently turn into a job offer next summer.

Congratulations to your kid (really!), but I'll bet their success is due to their being awesome and not to where they went to college.

How old are you ? It is clear that you have no real world experience in these topics.

Old enough to use facts to try to make a point instead of insults. And old enough to know many, many people who have succeeded in their careers despite the 'handicap' of not attending an 'elite' college.

I want to apologize for writing any remark that was impolite or in any way insulting to you. It was wrong on my part.

I do understand your points.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That is a wholly insufficient criterion. I hope people don’t put much faith in yet another ranking.

All the rankings are for your reference.
Just one of the variables in your decision making.

If the frequency and content of discussion here is any indication, some parents weigh perceived "reputation" of a school very, very heavily.

It's not just parents, it's employers as well.

Not true. Here's what employers value.....

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/page/5/

It is true for certain industries such as investment banking & consulting. Not important for those hired in the audit division of major accounting firms.

Also, look at page 61 of the 86 page study you reference.

The study focused on responses from executives,managers,and HR. Executives viewed one's college or university reputation as 60% more important than did HR or managers. Remember HR doesn't make hiring decisions and managers need approval from higher ups (executives).

Varies by industry, but some industries are very conscious of hiring from elite schools (investment banking, consulting, & law are 3 such industries).

From the same website cited above, here's a list of where the leadership of top investment banking firms attended college--

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/wall-street/

And here's a list where recent hires at a top law firm went--

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/law/

Not sure what type of consultants you're talking about, but I'll be it's the same in that industry, too. They want top talent, not fancy diplomas.

No, it's a known fact that there are lists of top schools that top firms like to go to recruit.

https://www.peakframeworks.com/post/ib-target-schools

https://www.peakframeworks.com/post/consulting-target-schools

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-banking

School name has less impact, but still increase your chance

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-tech

Of course you can still get in with less than fancy diploma, but you have to put extra effort and have luck.
Why go harder way.

Recruiting somewhere doesn't mean you have a preference for graduates of that school. It's just more efficient to go somewhere you know has already done the work of finding a cohort of really smart, ambitious people. So sure, the graduate of a less well-known, less visited place may have to be more proactive, but they're just as likely to get the job if their performance in college and in the interview is just as impressive.

With positions that are client facing (like consulting firms) it is usually more preferable to have an impressive school on the resume. My kid had a very easy time finding an internship, which will apparently turn into a job offer next summer.

Congratulations to your kid (really!), but I'll bet their success is due to their being awesome and not to where they went to college.

How old are you ? It is clear that you have no real world experience in these topics.

Old enough to use facts to try to make a point instead of insults. And old enough to know many, many people who have succeeded in their careers despite the 'handicap' of not attending an 'elite' college.

I want to apologize for writing any remark that was impolite or in any way insulting to you. It was wrong on my part.

I do understand your points.

No worries. It's easy to get caught up in things on this website and say something in a way you wish you could rephrase later. I've done it myself. Have a great weekend!

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Anonymous wrote:Good lord. It will be $100k a year at some of these schools by the time my kids apply. And we are in the lovely category of just missing out on qualifying for any financial aid---the ones that really get screwed the most.

Same.

I can't buy the brand name bc I don't have $400K sitting around...

So, this list means nothing to me.

Are you in VA? If not, consider moving - so many great public options. W&M full pay for us was under $30K a year - we didn't qualify for any aid either.

Lol, when was this? It’s 40K/yr now with costs going up jr/sr year